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In reply to Post #35
I’m with you on this, both me and a mate had 10000xts at the same time, he suffered with line twist and I didn’t at all, we thought it was his line at the time, he was using a daiwa mono and I was using a Gardner mono, so he started using the same Gardner mono as me but still suffered with line twist! He thought it was the way he was spooling up so I even spooled up his 3 reels in my back garden for him the exact same way I’ve done it for 30+ years but he was still getting line twist! So same line, same reels same technique of re spooling, In the end the only other variable was that he played his fish on the clutch and I’ve always played my fish on backwind, so that’s what we put it down to
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In reply to Post #36
Its a real shame that you had that issue
Ive still got my set that I got in 2006 and ive had a few others sets as well. Never had any issues. I still love using them and belive them to be the best reel shimano has ever made
Retrieve is a bit slow, but that's being really picky
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In reply to Post #35
Double post
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In reply to Post #35
I’m still convinced it was something to do with the line rollers, it couldn’t be anything else. Tried different lines, leads etc, nothing made a blind bit of difference. Never had an issue with other reels with slow oscillation either. Was only ever the 10,000’s. My mates were fine and he never had an issue, in fact he only sold them on recently, 20 years old and got a fortune for them, way more than he paid originally.
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In reply to Post #33
I know many people swear its a thing, but reels only store, release, and then retrieve line.
They cannot make a well spooled line decide to become twisted.
The only way line can be made to twist on a reel is excessive use of a baitrunner or slack drag, or if someone reels in against a lightly set drag and makes the spool spin under tension.
I have also had issues with hex shaped leads causing twist.
I have also heard that "wrapping up" can add twist, but can't be certain.
I always reel in and then hold the rod tip near vertical and see if the lead wants to spin.
It's vital to hold the rod up at least 45° or more when reeling in and with minimal tip bounce to ensure the tension in the rod prevents too much of the twisted line from getting onto the reel. This will then compress much of the twist into the last few yards.
As you reel in you compress most of any line twist into the last rod length.
When you are rebaiting and if let your line go slack it can curl up like crazy!
If the lead does spin then its trying to unwind the twist, so help it to untwist further by spinning the lead in that same direction many times.
This is adding counter twist. Now flick the lead out 20yds and allow the extra amount of counter twist spread out along the loose line.
Now reel in and hold the lead up, it will be much better behaved.
I have always done this, similar idea to a spin doctor but this works much better.
I remember daiwa celebrating their launch of 'Twistbuster" line rollers to "eliminate" line twist, but the reality is it just allows twisted line to return to the spool without birdnesting in front of the reel. The reel is still storing the twisted line so not much has changed.
Shimano just call it a power roller.
All line will twist, but its how you manage and look after it that sorts out the issue before it becomes a bigger problem.!
The bottom line is ALWAYS hold the rod up once reeled in and check to see if your lead it trying to untwist, and if so, then help it by adding counter twist 🤓
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In reply to Post #32
likewise i still have 7 of them which ive used for over 20 years and the only issue i had with line twist turned out to be the spool of mainline which also acted the same on my daiwa reels
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In reply to Post #32
There were posts on here about it at the time, a few suffered badly, lots never had an issue. I don’t think it was ever worked out. My mate tried to help me out, We walked out and unloaded my entire spool along a boating lake then reeled it all in through the water with nothing on the end but just at slight tension through a wet cloth. That should be as good as you can get line on a spool, first cast 40yds with it clattering through the rings, curled up all over the show. Just weird??
Never had it with any other reel and I’ve had a lot.
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In reply to Post #31
That's really odd. I had seven 10000XT's and none of them created line twist.
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In reply to Post #30
I was the opposite, couldn’t get rid quick enough. Lovely looking reels but the worst line twist I’ve ever had. Nothing would stop it, even replaced the rollers as I was convinced something had to be wrong.
Had some original silver tech mag xsa’s as well, which had no line twist issues but were so delicate, something seemed to break on them every few weeks. Think I kept Felindre in business whilst I had them.
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In reply to Post #9
Massive regret of mine, should never have sold mine, best feels I ever had were 10000xt
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In reply to Post #28
The forum would be a boring place if it we had to strictly keep to the original post.
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In reply to Post #25
. . .you asked the question . . !
The beauty of the forum - posts can meander like a chalk stream . . .
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I almost ordered some Tech MgS XTDs the other day. I avoided buying them when they first came out incase they were cheaper looking/feeling than the previous XTC's.
Also a mate who got them complained immediately about that plastic bit behind the spooling coming out (his broke)
I have stuck with XTB MgS. I had 4 when they first came into the country (was on Erics Angling list to get the second set they got hold of). Then after seeing the XTC were a bit plastic looking I decided to get 3 more XTBs secondhand so I had spares reels.
I've been waiting for the next generation of Tech MgS to come out, but only to scratch-an-itch, I don't need them. The XTBs do everything I need (except cast 160 yards, but that's on me, I struggle to get 130!)
I've still got an original set of Basias (QD45). Never liked them. Daiwa (back then) didn't do great clutches....and with Shimano being renowned in the cycling world for their gears it made sense to go with Shimano for an item which was very 'gear centric'
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In reply to Post #25
I use a quick clip set up, which I like to keep on (ex. hooklink) in the rod bag.
So I'm having to clip the quick change lead clip to my loop \ reel handle but I insist on having the spool tight\down to the Reel Body to negate debris into the Reel \ Spool.
When I pack up, aligning everything with slow oscillation makes this all a PITA
Amongst the other things mentioned in this thread.....
Dunno if this makes sense - I'm late \ tired, why did I bother typing this lol. :D
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In reply to Post #24
All fair points, though I'm quite confused how the thread has become a debate on ultra slow oscillation!
But in the spirit of other topics... with respect to the reel handle thing, it's not a necessity by any means. Keeping the handles on is just fine in the Compac bag, but taking them off means there is more space in the reel area and - at worst - adds a minute or two to pack down / setup time. Just something I like to do, as you like to align your spools, and not in any way particular to these reels...
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In reply to Post #15
Same subject . . .means getting the spool close to the rotor is a pain when
1 - Setting up rods (with spools all at same distance / roller at 12' o clock) V important for OCD sanity / catching the biggest fish in the lake / looking like a rock star
2 - Casting (as mentioned)
3 - Putting in tight rod bags etc
Items 2 & 3 mean loosening the clutch and rotating the spool until the desired position is reached - which with super slow oscillation means this takes longer and eventually adds more line twist . . .
If I had to remove the handle every time I put the reels in a rod bag I'd be buying either new reels (pref with folding handles) or a new rod bag . . . . . . . insanity!
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In reply to Post #17
They need upgraded spool clickers and drag washers, plus those baitrunner drag caps need to go, to even be in the same conversation as 10000xt's in my opinion
Great reels, but need a few upgrades first
I collect reels and for me, the XSB mgs are better than the XTBs, but the 10000xt's are better than both
All better than any basia though. Some of daiwa's less expensive reels are great, and so are a lot of the older, cult reels, but again, they need a few upgrades. I've got an amazing set of GS35's and some perfect SS3000 that I adore
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In reply to Post #21
Yeah - I have a Compac holdall from last year and the reel sections are very spacious, especially when you remove the handles like I do. I get that with the very slow oscillation it's more likely that the spool is extended making the reel effectively larger, but it's not even something I've ever given any thought nor been a problem.
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In reply to Post #20
Korda redesigned the holdall when they went to the dark camo range and gave the reel sections more room, as they could be very tight.
I had same issue as you and i only have the CI4+, however i use 12,6 rods and change to the kamo 13ft from a original green 12ft
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In reply to Post #18
Because of the length of the spool/spindle and the width of the spool with the bail arm, the bag I have (Korda not Kamo) has quite a tight area for the reels, so they have to be brought all the way back in and turned to fit properly.
these reels have always had good resell value, so if you like or don't like them, you'll get majority of your money back as I did.
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In reply to Post #5
Not wrong at all
I went in a tackleshop back along ,the reels were behind the counter ,displayed on the wall..As each reel was black ,I really couldn't tell which make ,model etc I was actually looking at..
All black,soulless,boring and lacking in any individualism..bit like those giant scalextric cars ,err ,modern cars ..soulless...robotic ,samey ...ughh..
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In reply to Post #16
I’m not saying it doesn’t. I’m asking how / why it did for you?
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In reply to Post #10
shimano aero technium MGS XTB 12000👍
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In reply to Post #15
Trust us, it does.
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In reply to Post #14
That’s not what I’m asking though. The comment was that the ultra slow oscillation makes getting them back in the rod bag difficult, and I’m confused as to why that would be.
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In reply to Post #12
If you cast a heavy lead with the spool significantly / fully extended and give it a thump it can bend the pin . . .been there / done that
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Bought mine about 13 years ago so no idea how many times they have been updated since.
I’ve used them pretty hard, but they have been faultless and clean up looking new.
Really can’t fault them
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In reply to Post #11
Why would the slow oscillation make any difference to getting them in a bag? I have never once considered how extended my spool is, though I do always remove my handles and store them separately. Am I missing something?
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In reply to Post #7
its just ridiculously slow and for no reason, it doesn’t improve casting, might even hinder it, bringing the spool back in takes forever to cast, getting rods back in the bag is a pain, probably reason why stupid line guard jumps about too
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In reply to Post #5
Couldn't agree more. I had the original Technium 10000XT's, has any Shimano reel genuinely been better? I very much doubt it.
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In reply to Post #8
If you think about it, it increases friction as the coils are so close together so super slow oscillation actually decreases distance
I can 100% cast further with my SS3000s than I can with my XSB mags. The line lies over the next coil to come off of the spool, not directly next to it
To the OP, XSB, XTB mags, are a much more reliable reel if you're set on shimano
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In reply to Post #7
Bail Arm \ finger position on the cast.
Packing down in the Rod bag.
Though I do think the feature probably does give a few extra yards.
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In reply to Post #6
What makes the slow oscillation a pain?
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In reply to Post #3
agreed, i rushed out and bought xtds, the ultra slow oscillation is a pain in the ass, line guard wouldnt stay in the grooves. the previous model, the spool clickers stopped working within 3 sessions, had to be "upgraded" one ended up like an ss3000 in less than a year....
i am overall happy with power aeros though and my qdx which are now ancient and never been serviced!
i'd expect that something is in the pipeline by now they are 5 year old...
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In reply to Post #3
There is an obsession with having the newest and most shiny (or blackest) reels on the market, and most carp anglers are suckers for it...
Daiwa and Shimano make slight design tweaks but little improves, and often they become lighter and more fragile.
There was a sweet spot a few years ago, but they keep trying to reinvent themselves!
My old Ultegra XT have been superceded dozens of times but maybe only improved on a few times, and any future improvement doesn't compromise the quality of the older reel.
Tarts gotta tart 🙄
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In reply to Post #1
Shimano release a new tech mgs every few years,it has took Daiwa six years to release a new Basia.Having owned both of these reels i wouldnt have either again if im honest,the xtd felt the better reel at the start,I loved it but then had issues with line guard popping out,anti reverse issues too.I soon got rid of them
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In reply to Post #1
The mgs have steadily got worse with each new release so a new version is not always a good thing.
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In reply to Post #1
hmm, the manufacturers are always going to update reels and ranges whether thats actual improvement, production efficiiency/cost.
tbh the longer a particular model (high end at that) stays in production unchanged -the better it is likely to be.
If Daiwa improved or released a new version the Basia every 12-18 months then something was not right to start with.
I remember when I bought my baby-blue XTBs 15 odd years ago, barely had them a month before the next versions of came out. Obviously not happy.
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I’ve recently ordered a set of the Aero Technium MgS XTD to replace my 20 Tournament Basias. Don’t want to turn this into a debate on the two reels…
Given that Daiwa just released a replacement Tournament Basia the thought crossed my mind that Shimano could do the same with the Aero Technium seeing as this model is now a few years old, and that would definitely leave me with a little bit of buyer’s remorse!
Does anybody have a view on this, heard rumours from reputable dealers etc?
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