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In reply to Post #19
The chinese vendor I contacted on Alibaba listed 1kg foil sealed packs at £1.50 > 25kg, lower and lower with quantity.
premix or retail packs?
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In reply to Post #18
Globally the amount of CSL liquid being produced, the CSL powder must be getting used somewhere, for something, the ingredient/by product seems to be too useful to waste, and potentially too costly to pay for tonnes of it to be taken away.
Corn steep liquor powder can not only be used for industrial use such as pharmaceutical fermentation and feed fermentation, but also as an organic fertilizer rich in organic matter, which can provide nutrients needed for crop growth, and can fertilize and improve soil.
I wonder why the supply seems to have dried up towards the UK supplier/s ?
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In reply to Post #17
I know, 10-15+ years ago it was often quoted in ingredient lists.
Thoughts are, as per Marcus Watts- the European supply quite literally dried up.
Is the UK animal feed market primarily a wet process?
CCM was at the top of the market, retail and trade?
A lot of the small early noughties set-ups were rolling baits with CCMs ingredients and almost anyone selling ingredients were using them or at very least the blurb direct from CCMs website..
Hence it was widely available.
Whilst CCM moved on to selling rolled baits- they haven't removed CSL powder from their greatly reduced ingredient list🤔
Now around the UK and across Europe to my eyes AA are the main supplier and if they don't sell it..no body else has it.
Although I have no idea why a company with such a wide range doesn't.
Maize gluten protein, CSL liquid..why not a pallet or two of CSL powder in the shipments?
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In reply to Post #16
Other than CCMoore and Marcus Watt's, I cannot believe after online searching, that no-one else in the U.K. seems to supply the CSL Powder, and yet the liquid is so popular.
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In reply to Post #15
I'm not that obsessive, the bait works without resorting to craft ingredients.
Paying less would be good👍
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In reply to Post #14
I'm pretty certain he states he has the last container of the OG CSL and that is why the powdered version is only on sale occasionally through the year in small quantities.
Although he does also say he has worked out how to produce his own CSL once his supply runs dry.
He also makes his own beef liver powder and crab powder.
Small fresh batches made in house in the UK. Thats what you are paying for.
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In reply to Post #13
skipped though 1 & 2 quickly, interesting and listenable but not three hours.
Missed the powder discussion, CSL came from Ireland, basically a waste product at transport cost!
then Europe, Poland but confirmed that now most CSL liquid comes from India from corn starch production.
Look at a producers website and both are often by-products of the ethanol process.
As per his Mirage website though ..they scrape the solid out of the IBCs, dry and mill it.
£65/kg in 100g pots.
Gets more for the sludge in the bottom than the liquid.
Listening to the converstaion it's about reactivating the CSL and allowing it to break itself down further.
Buying power was mentioned.
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In reply to Post #12
If you listen to Marcus Watts Carp Chronicles podcast he confirms exactly how he makes his own CSL powder so it definitely isn't brought in from the far east
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Don't know how we got from feed grade CSL powder ( byproduct of ethanol production) to milk proteins.
A sack of Cat3 feed grade caesin with 9-10 months shelf life is around £120 / £5 per kilo posted from Bacarel.
Not sure how AA sell their human grade (not for consumption) products for less than Bacarel even if they do charge for shipping.
Must have been 30 years since the stories of woe when people were mistakenly buying or being sold industrial caesins ( cardboard glue).
And rotten cheap fishmeals that were sold by reputable compaines
True not all products are equal.
Before quality hydrosylates and 'pink' squid flesh meal was avaialbe i bought 5 litres of squid liver oil and 20kg of squid meal from some german bait company.,
An evil smelling liquid that caught nothing and sack of skin saturated with beaks, fishbones and blue plastic.
But, if you somehow think that a kilo of CSL powder (or maize gluten protein) doesn't come from an ethanol plant in China or India for pence then you may be mistaken that paying more is better.
Anyway my query at Alibaba was fruitless, their MOQ of 1kg @ £1.40 was 'an old listing' and 5kg deemed not worth the hassle or shipping cost.
Whist their current MOQ of 25kg @ £1.12kg would cost £200 to ship.
Interesting that 1kg bags prepacked in customers livery were available.
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In reply to Post #10
Same thinking here. I always buy human grade or BBE, use by dated animal feeds when ever possible.
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In reply to Post #9
Maybe, but I'd rather spend the money on products I know are tip top rather than chance buying the crap some sell. Too many times buying cheap has backfired on me to do it these days
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In reply to Post #8
Yes. Any ingredient sourcing is very much done to each of our good or bad experiences. Human grade ingredients, like milk proteins and semo, maize, soya flour, kelp powder, etc, are when we can source them at sensible prices, going to be of a more higher quality than some lower grade animal feeds, etc.
But sometimes cheap/cheaper can sometimes with the right supplier can be alright. for fishing purposes, and not just 'floor sweepings'.
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In reply to Post #7
No, the complete opposite infact. I've found "cheap" ingredients to be utter junk more often than not
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In reply to Post #6
haven't you ever noticed that paying premiums for 'quality' bait ingredients is akin to the image of getting your pants pulled down and being rogered against the grain of a dry broom stick?
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In reply to Post #5
Do you want good, or do you want cheap? Because the 2 are rarely the same product..
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In reply to Post #4
Cheers, don't think I'll be paying Mirage prices for powder.
two options CCM or Alibaba at £1,50 per kg-I will make an enquiry on shipping.
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In reply to Post #1
Marcus at Mirage Baits used to have some in stock but not at the moment. His liquid csl is the best I have found since the Grange csl days. CCMoore stuff is good even though a bit more expensive than others.
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In reply to Post #2
not listed on their website
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In reply to Post #1
AA Baits
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Is there a good and cheap source for CSL powder?
Don't want liquid.
15 odd years ago it was cheap as chips and fairly easy to source, looking around it's rediculously priced.
All I can find is CC Moore at £11 a kilo
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