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In reply to Post #63
Never had it from there, which i'm happy about or it would have put me off too
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In reply to Post #62
were specifically talking about the bobco batch which alot of people on here bought a couple of years ago
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In reply to Post #59
I've used it since pulling a decent sized log off the bottom from a boat using 15lb technium. Must be 10 years ago now nearly, Never let me down, stays smooth a long time and casts well
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I've just used a set of reels that are filled with 15lb Kaizen that have been sat unused in the garage since last October. Have to say I was pleasantly surprised with how well it behaved after being kept that way for so long; no coiling, no kinks and casting / sinking all good. I have not really settled on a line after CM90 was discontinued although I still have several reels spooled up with it, it won't last forever; otherwise have been using a mixture of fluro, braid, and now this Kaizen stuff. First impressions are good, hopefully it's durable and a long term option.
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This thread must be making a fortune for line manufacturers. 😂
I usually use GR60 in 15lb but when I was in the tackle shop I couldn’t help myself and started looking at some of the lines mentioned here. I was particularly interested in the Gardner GT-HD in 15lb so purchased a spool to test. I’ve put it on a couple of GT6000’s because if it behaves on a smaller spool it should be good on my bigger reels.
Is anyone using GT-HD in 15lb and has done some long distance casting with it?
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In reply to Post #58
Well, I decided to test a spool of the 12lb Technium from Bobco, and load up 3 x Weston shallow SS2600 spools.
Soaked it for 24 hours, and took some lengths to test at 4 different places (approx. 200 yards apart). Also did some less rigorous testing at various points while loading each spool.
And it all seems fine to me, literally cannot break it while pulling between my hands, certainly nothing like it 'snapping like cotton'!
So, I'm going to give it a go cautiously, and hope I don't end up with egg on my face. ðŸ™
Edit to add ; I did manage to break it between my hands by wrapping around some cloths to stop it cutting in, but with far more pressure than I could ever apply via a rod in a fishing situation.
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In reply to Post #57
Hope you've got a couple of good spools, think I had 4 or 5 of the 12lb & they were all like cotton.
All binned to the mono recyclers, I've still got a spool & a part of older stuff that was fine but wary of using it now.
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In reply to Post #51
A very good point. I've 2 spools of the 15lb waiting to be used but I have been using the 10lb feeder fishing without issue.
I'm tempted to test the 15, given what some have said of theirs 🤔
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In reply to Post #37
Yes, I asked and had this confirmed, such a shame, used the xt since it came out, then they change it....having brought a spool of the 'loaded' by mistake years back, and hated it, I've had to try another brand.
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In reply to Post #53
I think they went pop within days of my line arriving.
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In reply to Post #53
They did I think don't seem to be around now although I bought a couple of things from them prior with no issues.
Should've known better...if it's too good to be true lol.
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In reply to Post #52
im sure bobco went out of business not long after too
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In reply to Post #50
It had the same packaging & barcode as a spool I bought a couple of years previously & kept wrapped up & in a dark cupboard which was fine both on the reel & stored.
Stored badly or a dodgy batch, who knows but it put me off the stuff even though I had previously used since it was released.
Saw it apparently has been re released but I'm wary about buying it now.
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In reply to Post #50
Yes, it doesn't inspire confidence does it. I shall give it a good test at some point.
It does seem a bit bizarre though, a rogue batch of line that only came to light because it was being sold cheap (as in is that why it was being sold cheap??) - there must be lots of people using it who never read this forum.
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In reply to Post #46
I had several spools of the Bobco technium, saw the comments on here & thought better check them.
Taking a couple of feet in the hands & giving a sharp pull, a couple of spools you could snap with minimal effort, a couple seemed better but stripping a bit off & trying again it broke easily, , not much stronger than cotton TBF.
All the spools turned out to be the same.
Had an older spool of non Bobco line, the barcodes & packaging were identical on both the old & the Bobco.
Had absolutely no confidence in the Bobco stuff & sent it all off to the line recyclers, check it thoroughly if you're planning on spoiling up with it.
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In reply to Post #46
I bought 6 spools.
Only used 1 so far and haven't had any issues. Fingers crossed the others are the same!
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Im using OGX
Love it ....
Casts great just the right ammount of strech and goes on well.
Had Cats to 64 on the 15lb.
Had to strip a bunch off prob due to the Cats munching it up and causing excessive twising due to rolls during the fight.
So will be re-spooling mid season.
But i love it swapped from Gardener HD.. in 12 i think.
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In reply to Post #46
I think I've got six spools of the bloody stuff and have been too worried to use it.
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In reply to Post #17
With regard to the Technium from Bobco that was going cheap a while ago, I got a couple of spools that have been sitting in a cupboard.
I recall at the time some people saying it was crap, and others saying that it appeared to be ok.
Can anyone comment on this now as it was some time ago? Or is it really only good for backing?
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In reply to Post #41
I've just started using exactly the same. Seems ok so far.
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In reply to Post #41
One of the main reason I like it is the colour and in the water. I have it down as brownish lol
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In reply to Post #37
Interesting ðŸ‘
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Esp synchro XT for me in 18lb. They say its grey green, but a very subtle colour.
It looks much darker on the spools but take a piece and hold up to the light and its almost clear, but just a shade of colour to reduce any glare underwater.
Virtually invisible in the margins.
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In reply to Post #15
Takes some beating mate, black doesn't reflect light either so in theory it should be less visable in water
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In reply to Post #38
I've used it yes, it's just as good. Use with confidence
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I keep going back to GR60 15lb in green. It looks far better in the water than anything else I’ve tried.
Has anyone used the GR60 in 12lb? The 15lb is quite thick for casting.
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In reply to Post #34
"For those asking what is the difference between the original XT and Loaded… they are both exactly the same grade of monofilament but quite a few years ago we changed the coating properties on the original XT to be the same as the Loaded, to make it sink quicker. Now the only difference is the colour which is obviously down to personal preference. The XT is grey / green while the Loaded is dark olive. However, there is a train of thought that different dye pigments can make the end product behave or feel slightly different, but if there is any variation it is negligible and subjective."
from their facebook page last year
i used 0.35 hybron its a very nice line, just expensive for fishing snaggy gravel pits lol
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In reply to Post #31
What dia Hybron out of curiosity? Its my go to line for pretty much everything atm but weirdly do prefer the 0.40 over the 0.35 . . .
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I didn't like Synchro from day one..15-16 years ago, whilst initially spooling up nicely and casting well contrary to reports it didn't sink well even after wiping down, would rough up pig-tailing at the slightest grip of weed.
And once stretched by a few fish didn't retain the linear or knot strength.
Apparently changed or updateda few times? Synchro must be getting a bit long in the tooth as a product or the process and materials have changed.
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In reply to Post #31
Out of interest, how di you find that out, ESP website?
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In reply to Post #32
Interesting feedback. i like the colour for one and quite tough
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In reply to Post #30
ive found the same with synchro, was decent not its wiry, less supple and doesnt last nowhere near aslong....ive just spooled it up begrudgingly only for the abrasion properties as it is very strong island abrasive resistant.
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Syncro was changed when they decided to make the non loaded the same formula as loaded and add dye rather than two different lines, think was a year or so ago they mentioned it. No idea why... The non loaded was always the better line, but apparently fishermen preferred the color of the loaded.
I rate GT80, the Hybron line was great stuff but fishing every week shredded it to pieces in no time and its a little too much for my wallet to handle.
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In reply to Post #29
Interesting, so when did it change roughly?
Maybe im on the old stuff lol
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In reply to Post #26
I agree. Used to be a great line, but it's 100%:different now. It behaves like a completely different product
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Opted for Gardner Hydrotuff- 12lb but 0.35mm and TB rated at 17-18lbs because the club water is strewn with mussels, so far zero damage
I filled with 10lb first personally tested 14lb+ linear pull and the knots held,
That wouldn't spool on my SS2600s, constant twist which ever way the spools were loaded and attrocious after a couple of sessions.
The 12lb has been a different animal but not without issues, certainly didn't load as per instruictions
It took one outing to settle, yet after another 10-11 outings it would jump off the spools if given some slack.
Good thing 1000m is enough for 5 fills- one left and I'm not sure what to go for next.
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Not sure if anyone else has found this but pretty much every spool of line I’ve bought in the last 18 months/ 2 years or so has been atrocious. I’ve been using syncro for years never had issues always went on perfect then had 2 awful spools of that, really wiry and brittle. Then moved onto gthd in 18lb, first spool I bought around 18 months ago was brilliant. I’ve just respooled with it again and it’s awful. It was twisted all the way down the spool I’ve never seen anything like it. My mates had the same issues with the gthd too. I’ve gone for 18lb ogx this time went on the reels ok but lets see how it is after a trip or 2. My mate has put 18lb kaizen on his so going to compare after a few trips see what they are like. Just seems to me that all the lines I’ve used at the moment are just terrible ! Wiry, brittle and full of line twist, never had issues before, anyone found the same ?
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In reply to Post #25
Synchro is old news . . .used to be a brilliant allrounder - no longer so! They def changed the chemistry somewhere - springy and horrible these days . . .IMO
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ESP Synchro XT for me. Best mono i have used in a long time, will take some cosh too.
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I quite liked Exocet Pro - used it for most of last year. I would guess it’s rather overrated in terms of breaking strain (0.33 / 16lb) but landed fish to 55lb no problem. Also a big fan of Technium which is probably rather underrated with 15lb being 0.37! Both were very well behaved, supple and hardy.
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I’m happy with GT HD it’s fairly tough, goes on the reel well, casts well and sinks well.
There may be better monos but I’d end up paying twice the price.
Each to their own I say.
Buy what you have confidence in. I tried the new technium but was disappointed.
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for me, OGX is the best line I've ever used.
I used to use syncro which was fine at 15lb and below but going up to the 18lb, it was horrendous.
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Fox carp mono. 20lb BS same diameter as most 15lb lines, sinks well, nice colour, and I am yet to snap it after 4 years of using it and I fish very weedy waters. And the best bit is it's about £12 for a bulk spool!
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Anyone used the 12lb for fishing around weed ? I used it on a park lake a few years ago and I hand lined in a pallet with it 😂 strongest line I’ve ever used but not sure on abrasion resistance. I used it in 15 and 12 and was both good. Might have to get another spool to try
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In reply to Post #18
I'd be amazed if you had dodgy stuff delivered from the likes of Johnson Ross.
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In reply to Post #17
im the same with the techium, bobco put me right off and im apprehensive to order technium from anywhere incase its the same **** stufff
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In reply to Post #16
That's what prompted me to move away from it briefly despite having ingredients no problems. I think as long as you stick to the bewly 'released' (or re-released) spools labeled as 12l. (0.32mm) and 15lb (0.38mm) then you're ok.
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In reply to Post #14
Was always a technium user til the bobco incident put me off it, using Berkley Trilene XL for general carp work now after using it in various breaking strains over the years for surface & float fishing.
It's good abrasion wise, not too stretchy & behaves itself on the spool.
It's clear but doesn't seem to bother the fish .
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In reply to Post #14
I've returned to the technium after being tempted by CM90, then Synchro and most recently Kaizen. It's tough, low stretch and behaves well - think I'll be sticking with it for the foreseeable.
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In reply to Post #11
Not much different to premium mainline fluro tbf. . .but its more manageable. Def different gravy to mono - but you do have to cough up
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In reply to Post #1
Gardener Pro line is what you are looking for. Very reasonable price but reliable.
The dark blend is great if you want a line that sinks quickly, if you are expecting to be fishing at range the light blend casts better.
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In reply to Post #10
Only comparing the prices Belch.
Would rather have depreciation on the Dacia 
Sceptical ol' me thinks here is aan amazing mono that no manufacturer or vendor sells.
Or just a premium price tag, four times that of the most popular options. Nah err..nah.
I haven't used Sensor for probably 40 years,
I would say the discontinued black/blue Daiwa Matchman was a much better line just only available in 100m spools.
Similar situation with Preston Reflow feeder, a potentially useable 150m on a spool but only goes up to .28/10lb, 0.33 or 0.35 would be excelent.
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In reply to Post #7
. . . don't knock it until you've tried it!
If you're comparing with Sensor then its like BMW vs Dacia . . .or Caviar vs Bits from the chippy
Both work but one is significantly better than the other . . .IMO!
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Gardener Dark Blend, been using it for a few years now and haven't been able to fault it.
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In reply to Post #1
Korda touchdown.. been using it for years, can't see me changing anytime soon
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In reply to Post #4
PB Hybron is the way forward IMO but if your used to paying Sensor prices it might put you off . .
fifty quid for 600m?? there's Sensor money and lost one's senses money.
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In reply to Post #1
Depending how rich I'm feeling, I use Daiwa Sensor if skint, or ESP Synchro XT (unloaded) if I'm feeling lile splashing the cash.
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In reply to Post #4
Ive just bought the OGX to try out on my other reels.
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In reply to Post #1
PB Hybron is the way forward IMO but if your used to paying Sensor prices it might put you off . . .Thinking Anglers OGX is getting good reviews atm . . .
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After lot of recommendations on here I spooled up with Kaizen mono in 18lbs on my reels (18lbs is my min requirement on syndicate). Good line. Low stretch and behaves itself after it settles but found it bit thick in 18lbs and it shows on distance casting. I had spare spools and spooled it with Fox Exocet Pro in 18lbs and much prefer it. Behaves even better and casts better. For some reason also find it to sink better which doesnt make sense. Both good line but for me the fox suit my needs better
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In reply to Post #1
You won’t go wrong with Gardner GT HD or Pro. Used both for years. Sinks well, not too coily.
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After being out of the carp scene for a few years now I'm looking for a decent 15lb mono to spool up with. I used to use Daiwa sensor as it worked really well and was a decent price. what other lines would people recommend? thanks
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