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I remember when i joined my first syndicate, a member said to me "No one uses pop-ups because they don't work on here!" My first fish out of there was on a pop-up on the first session because that was my main approach to any water. Do you own thing that you know works, like others have said
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In reply to Post #5 this. "they like a white popup"
yes because thats all you lot use.
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In reply to Post #15 136 next week.
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In reply to Post #14 Jeez how old are you Dave, as I was spodding in the late 70's lol
I bet a few of the older guys on here have caught on bare hooks, or a split shot on the hair fished over hemp?
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Before Spodding/baitboats/poles were a thing, away from the margins fish were all being caught on "big" baits as they needed to be pulted/sticked out?
I do think tho with people fishing wafters in bags over "bits and pieces"m what is on the hair if fairly irrelevant as they are just hoovering up the bag. May as well be a balanced hook.
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Personally I think my rigs work more efficiently with large baits, double 16's or 24mm being quite normal for me, but I absolutely do believe that there will be certain fish in a lake that just won't pick up my large baits.
In the past I've caught numerous uncaught or rarely caught fish on two maple peas or a couple of tiny tares or a single small worm. So I'm convinced that some fish just aren't eating boilies at all and it's not much of a stretch of imagination that some fish will only feed on small boilies, but not a 16mm or larger and I know that this definitely isn't all to do with angling pressure, just the preferences of individual fish.
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I'll agree with the previous answers and say that if single grains of particle and 10-12mm baits are fished..those are what the fish will be caught on.
First impression 'named and publicised fish' reads pressured fish that may shy off beds of larger boilies that simply not create the overall presentation where they may feel safer.
feeding.
Or just one of those fish that patrols the clear spots away from the less fussy feeders just picking up odd bits.
Often the opposite works, I picked up a few decent fish on 30mm/18mm snowmen & size 2s in the margins- a stand alone lump of bait whilst the mid-week rods were getting hits of fish on plastic corn soaked in butyric acid and 10mm pop-ups on size 10s because they were fishing over the remains of weekend bait.
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In reply to Post #9 Or move your rigs around. I tried to stop the tench and bream whilst fishing a narrow gravel bar once with bigger hookbaits. All I did was not hook them but they threw the rig and lead off the bar in to weed, I solved nothing.
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I'm sure carp can recognise size differences in bait but I don't believe they have a preference for small over large or vice versa. The difference between a 10mm and a 20mm bait is negligible when you look at the size of a carps mouth. Both will enter their mouth very easily. You might get a difference if you were using a 40mm or 50mm bait because they will need to determine if they can handle it. I always think that if the bait is attractive, they enjoy eating it, it fulfills their dietary requirements and they can suck it in easily then they will search it out regardless of the size.
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And even if you do use a bait that's too big for other species they tend to hang themselves on the hook anyway, somewhere or other, if there are enough of them competing !
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In reply to Post #6 During the summer on the lake I fish, the bream and roach become so much of a nuisance sometimes that sleep is impossible. Times like that I can end up on double 24’s to try and combat them, but it’s not unusual to still get a 6oz roach hooked on the outside of the mouth on a size 2. There’s just no avoiding them if they really want it! Using anything smaller than 20mm is just suicide from now until November. I’d love to use smaller baits, but the smallest I even carry is 16mm pop ups to top a 20mm snowman, or 18’s to top a 24mm snowman!
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In reply to Post #1 Ignore it. Do you own thing. Simply Social Sheep mentality ..
that's the method mate, small baits, everyone get's on it, consequently that/those BIG fish will 99% of time get caught on the approach because 99% of the anglers are using it.
If it is a big fish without a deformed/parrot/unusually small mouth it will eat any size bait it wants to pick up.
Think of giant two tone in conningbrook, rich in naturals, didn't need bait ... yes it liked it's sweetcorn and maize, but it also came out on boilies. Same again with 'the Mere'.
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In reply to Post #4 I've caught 8 0z rudd on a snowman rig with size 4 hook, I've lost count of how many roach I've caught on size 6 hooks. Don't mention the B word, you know they will find you.
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In reply to Post #1 These things are self fulfilling. Syndicate syndrome, everyone starts using the same thing then all the fish come out to those methods. 13mm pop ups on spinner rigs are probably used by 90% of anglers now.
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In reply to Post #1
I think its a juggle with matching size to what the carp might mostly eat from naturals, which tend for the main to be smaller (not many 20mm + natural food sources around!) - and larger/older carp may have learnt that this is a safer food...
vs...
Small baits being able to be picked up by eeeeeevery other thing that swims and you getting battered by bream, roach etc.
Mad how many roach can hang themselves on a size 4 hook nowadays!
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In reply to Post #1 I've always preferred smaller hookbaits and freebies really. I just think they mimic what they naturally eat, small natural items. So, small pop ups and wafters, and if I'm fishing margins or using the bushwacker, I tend to feed chops instead of full boilies. Don't use particles very often as it's a bit too much like hard work, preparing, boiling, having the wife moaning at the smell, spodding, .....
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In reply to Post #1 Probably something to do with the feed being used and the smaller baits being used on top of it.
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Started on a new syndicate back in January, and I was speaking to a couple of members who have been on a while and one of them said one of the 'named' fish doesn't come out to 'big baits', I asked him what he meant and he said the last 5 or 6 publicised captures of said fish had been caught on either single fake corn/maize or 13 millers.
I've heard of fish picking and choosing what they eat, I think a few notable anglers have mentioned it before on their videos/podcasts, but to only be caught on 'small baits' seems a stretch to me.
Is this just coincidence or is there more to it?
Can they honestly tell the difference of a few mm? Surely not!
The guys may well have just been relaying information they've been told, I've no reason to doubt them, but to me it sounds like one of them things that has just stuck within the syndicate and no one has questioned it, and likelihood is the more it stuck the more people are using these 'small baits' and therefore increase the chances of picking said fish up on them anyway!
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