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In reply to Post #27
I'm struggling to find why you thought it was a "runs water"? Nowhere does it claim to be, and the numerous catch reports on faceache aren't too dissimilar to your groups results? Your average size was a bit smaller, but these things happen sometimes.
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So my frustration isn't at blanking because that has happened before, however I took another friend who started carp angling only 2 years ago as a release from having a non verbal autistic son, this was supposed to be a runs water where he had the chance at a 30 or maybe a 40lb fish, the chances of me hooking a PB where very slim and I accepted that, when you consider that it takes 7 hours to Dover from where we live and we both spent in excess of £1250 each for the trip all I ask is, that information on the website is factual, I personally don't think this is too much to ask, I couldn't care less about myself I had a trip to Bay Lakes in May and caught 9 fish to 46lb infact had 7 40's and 2 high 30's check Facebook for May you'll see it, i also have a trip booked to Vallee lakes in October, which could be tough if the weather and conditions and swim choice don't go my way which again i accept, I simply feel aggrieved that this place was sold to us on a blatant lie.
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Its in the fisheries interest to be economic with the truth, would they get more or less bookings if the stock was stated as 200 or 400.
I agree with the op if the owners know there is a stock of 200 then correct the website etc which is clearly mis leading, a Charlatan gains through deception, seems that's what they have done to me.
And as for doing your research before you go what exactly are you going to research, your mate who may or may not have had a good week., catch reports from the owner, the bloke you met who reckons there are x number carp stocked. A question of trust.
A lot of competition for anglers hence creative advertising out there, not many places you know what you are walking into in my opinion.
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There's no way I would do a lake booking, without doing some research, and that doesn't mean from the owners website.
I would need info from recent visits, visiting groups.
That said, I can understand your frustration, info on their website is misleading imo.
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In reply to Post #23
I knew the 2 owners pretty well and fished it a few times for them after the stockings so they could see what the fish were like, I can't quite remember exactly how many were introduced but it wasn't as high as 400, this was probably nearly 24 years ago now though.. I've not been since so no idea how it has all changed.
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In reply to Post #22
How do you know this m8? Just for information purposes
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In reply to Post #1
It wasn't stocked with 400 fish in 2001, nowhere near that amount, and they weren't up to 55, just over 40 probably, and the original owners didn't actually see what fish were stocked.
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Hmmmm..... anyone who's been to France regularly will know there's good weeks and poor weeks. I've fished some lakes which are really Peggy and if you aren't in a going swim, you're gonna struggle.
What I do find odd is you registered on this forum 7 years ago and this seems to be your first post. Have you spoken with the lake owner about your week.... what was his response?
People always assume french lakes are easy.... many are under pressure 24/7 for 9 months of the year.
And don't use words you can't spell properly, it makes you look a little silly.
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My personal view is that he's been economical with the truth.
But he hasn't lied or 'mis-sold' anything IMO because he hasn't claimed that the current stock is 400+.
I can understand you're disappointment though & I think you're going to have to suck it up unfortunately.
& Maybe think about retracting some of your statements as I'm not entirely sure that it's fair on the fishery.
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This is also a misrepresentation he has had the lake for 8 years!!
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In reply to Post #17
It's under new ownership so no they wouldn't necessarily know if they'd had a fish kill. This is why people should properly research venues. It's not like there aren't plenty to choose from
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In reply to Post #4
The website is still misleading. It should have a estimated stocking. They know if they've had a fish kill and approximately how many lost. Did they not restock.
Linear tell you an initial stocking and an estimated level. They also restock every year to allow for natural unseen fatalities. Poor owners that don't care or a manager doing whatever.
Let's tell everyone we put 400 in but not tell them we've lost 200 and don't bother about restocking lost fish.
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A certain water in Norfolk claimed it had 1500 fish in it. The initial stocking. Before covid fish coming out. After covid about 1 or 2 a week. Season ticket holders could see this. The manager always claimed you don't know how to fish it. Although we all caught prior. Most of us reckon it had about 150 to 200 at most after covid. It's now to the best of my knowledge still closed (as I don't live in Norfolk now) him his Mrs and daughter all got booted. He kept up the pretense it still had 1500 fish in it. The owners did a survey and it's been shut since.
Big carp have a value. Quick easy money.
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In reply to Post #14
As stated i didn't book the lake, also there are no reviews or recent catch reports, whilst i admit I should of researched this further i also believe I should of been given a fair reflection from the website
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Seems to me you probably should have taken a breath and thought about it before coming on here and trying to disrupt somebodies livelihood.
Did you do any research at all into previous catch reports or recent reviews before you booked the lake? I can’t see any mention of claims to be a runs water in that blurb?
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Ok to put you in the picture, I have commons to 55lb and mirrors to 59lb my uk pb is 38lb but I haven't fished much in the UK for nearly 10 years due to work, but I do go to France at least twice a year, I have a bait boat but still use a marker to find my spots in both silt and gravel with many placed on the edge of both, im not a Noddy and understand the variables!!
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In reply to Post #9
French pbs are not the same as English pbs so at the end of the week if he caught a 50 it still wouldn’t beat the 22
what bait did you use??
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In reply to Post #8
Ok I have fished many lakes in france, I've been going for over 22 years and had mixed results, I can take a bad week, but haven't blanked for over 15 years, I've fished Etang de Royale, with John and Ben, Then Bay lakes as regular venues, neither of which are or where runs waters, I understand that it's fishing and the variables but it's the fact that it is misleading!! We booked the water for a friend who was coming out to France for the first time to give him a great chance of catching a PB as his current one is 22lb, there probably wasn't a fish in the lake ro challenge my current PB but that wasn't important to me!!
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Personally I take any blurb with a pinch of salt
Did you fish it correctly as even 200 fish in 10.5 acres is still a fair stock.
What was the weather when you went
Could be loads of variables as to why you or it fished badly.
Never fished it
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In reply to Post #5
But there may be more than 200! Unless it's drained down and a full stock check is done then it really is just a best guess. He's said what went in and when, are you seriously saying you'd expect every one of those fish to of survived for over 20 years? You've assumed there are still 400, and that it's a runs water. 10 fish out in a week is still a lot more than many lakes do in France.
Calling the owner are charleton (I assume that's what you meant) is bang out of order Tbh
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Blurb from web site
Winton's is a stunning mature 10.5 acre carp lake situated in the countryside of
upper Normandy, close to the historic village of Rugles. The fishery is within
a comfortable distance of Calais being 3 hours, Dieppe 2 hours and Le Havre being 1 hour
making it a perfect destination for your carp fishing trip to France.
The lake is a mature gravel pit and is over 50 years old. It ranges in depth from 3ft in the margins
to 14ft, with the banks being fully lined with mature trees, overhanging bushes,
and well maintained lawns, creating a beautiful tranquil and secluded lake.
There are 11 spacious swims on the lake with 2 being large doubles. The number of anglers
is restricted to 8, giving ample water to fish and the option of changing swim. The lake
was originally stocked in 2001 with 400 carp ranging from 20lbs to 55lbs.
It has a perimeter fence with secure gates and a safe parking area
for your cars. There are fridges and freezers available and English charging points.
The fishery is now under new management with a new vision, passion and expertise to add
a personal touch the fishery, but keeping its original beauty. A selection of larger fish have been
added to the original stock, the swims have been carefully rebuilt and the toilet and
showers at the main chalet have been completely refurbished and modernised.
An outside undercover meeting and eating area.
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So neither of you think it should say it has a fish stock of 200 fish if this is actually the real number stocked? We will agree to disagree
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In reply to Post #3
I agree and with the owner too. It clearly states when the fish were stocked and added to.
Personally I'd never have assumed anywhere near 400 of the fish would still be there after 24 years as a commercial and with natural die off. I'd have asked the Q before booking and been looking at catch reports.
Regards number of fish caught, that's just life. I've blanked on a lake with a fabulous head of fish that normally fishes its nuts off.
Edit, you made a mistake and I think your comments about the fishery owner are out of order.
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In reply to Post #1
He's right, the site does say what went In and when, it doesn't mention the current stock. Nowhere does it say it's a runs water as you assumed it would be. I think your comments are a little harsh
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In reply to Post #1
Please visit the website for yourselves and see if this is misleading? If im wrong please post to let me know!!
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I recently had the misfortune to spend my hard earned money on a trip here, don't get me wrong the fishery is beautiful and the facilities are lovely, however this is the only positive. My long time friend booked this as the website page and literature state it was stocked with 400 fish and additional stock has been added to supplement this, is it just ne of would this imply it's a runs water at 10.5 acres? We arrived to be told that there are now only around 200 fish in the lake, the whole eco system of the lake has now changed and only 10 fish came out in the week, when we challenged the owner he said he will not change his literature and i don't want anyone else to be conned by this i have copied the email from the owner into this thread.
PLEASE DON'T BE FOOLED BY THIS CARLETON OF A LAKE OWNER
I have never said that I have removed 200 fish because I haven’t! I said that the stock was around 200 fish.
The website says that the lake was stocked in 2001 with 400 fish between 20 and 55lbs, 24 years ago!
Regards
Roley-Wintons France
On 31 Aug 2025, at 4:11 pm, raymond Ellington
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