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In reply to Post #42
We didn't. Linear for example..all the fish used to sit in the middle of the lake because nobody could reach them..now it's accessible for most anglers..
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In reply to Post #42
Often we didn't. More suitable tools for the job have now become available. What is so hard for you to understand about that?
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Ironic that the person who can’t get their head around a simple concept is also the one who feels the need to call everyone else idiots.
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In reply to Post #41
And how did the do that (casting at those distances) before the ridiculous 4lb hype?
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In reply to Post #38
You clearly don't understand that the vast majority of the people on this forum are in the UK, where boats are banned on the majority of waters. Bait boats too. We have to cast.
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Fishing at 140 yards with a 3.5 lb rod and pva bag, been there done but now I know better and I bet most people can't even cast +140 yard with a 4lb rod.
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In reply to Post #38
I give up. Ain't got time to debate casting with someone who uses a boat to fish at distance 
Have a good day fella 
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In reply to Post #35
I never said I can cast 170 yard with a 3.5, my uncle did, but he also said it's ridiculous to cast at those distances and better to buy a rubber boat, so we did
And now we are fishing with a 2.75lb up to 190 yard, but that doesn't change the fact that 4lb is a ridiculous evolution
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In reply to Post #36
Sure 3.5 is a stiff rod but a 4 will cast further. We're simply trying to answer your question about why guys would use 4+ TC rods. If you dont want to hear it then why ask?
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In reply to Post #34
Phanton tribune 3.5 is a stiff rod  or are only the new 4lb rods stiff 😀
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In reply to Post #33
Why do you keep saying we? Not everyone has the same abilities! Plus, I'd love to see you cast a 3.5 170 yards with double 22mm baits and 20lb line.
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In reply to Post #33
I've had casting lessons with TE. First thing he tells you is use stiff rods.
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Again how is it that we could always do it with a lower TC before and now suddenly in 2025 we need 4LB TC for it?
Maby do a casting lesson to add 30 yards on your casting range
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In reply to Post #31
Just because one person can it doesn't mean another can too. Maybe they want to be putting bigger baits further? Maybe they need to use heavier line due to underwater obstacles. There are many reasons people may need the higher tc rod. Never needed anything like it myself, but I can see the need
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In reply to Post #30
If one can cast 140-170 yard with a 3.5lb does he need a 4lb hype rod then?
Whats next in 2030 5lb carp casting rods for 160 yard?
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In reply to Post #24
The heavier TC rod and weight (balanced) the easier it is to cast further - fact.
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In reply to Post #28
Wouldn't it be easier to achieve those distances with a higher TC? - not a pop, it's a genuine question. It's been easier IME.
I don't like to use heavy TC's as I liken it to wearing a rubber whilst on the job, however, I can totally understand why people would want to use one though..
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In reply to Post #26
I already mentioned earlier in this thread that I achieved 140 yards with PVA using a 3½ lb rod (Phantom Tribune) in my younger days, my uncle was a beast who even achieved 170 yards with it.
If people think that in 2025 they will suddenly need a 4 lb rod for these distances then i have a good laugh at the people that fall for the marketing machine behind it.
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In reply to Post #24
Stiffer rods cast further. Simple fact. If you don't like 4lb rods its fairplay lad. But let's not imply that everyone with a different opinion is an idiot or a sheep. I'm sure I dont have to tell you how that makes you look
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In reply to Post #24
And you have never fished a lake where the fish fed out of casting range of an old 3.5lb rod?
I don’t think anyone would argue that it’s nicer to land a fish on a bendy 3lb rod. That’s not the question.
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In reply to Post #24
We used to put little leads in pva bags
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In reply to Post #23
No, because it wasn't necessary in the past . we have done this distances with max 3 lbs1/2-3.5 LB rods for many years, the 4Lb is just marketing with a lot of sheeps.
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In reply to Post #20
Do you understand why somebody might need to use a rod with a higher TC than 3lb?
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In reply to Post #20
Not sure the test curve has anything to do with mouth damage. Thats down to the user of the rods.
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In reply to Post #20
I fish loads of places where Boats are banned (rightly so) and you need to be fishing at range.
If you don't use 4lb TC and 4 ounce leads you won't reach and you won't catch.
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In reply to Post #17
I always had to laugh when I saw DF using his 3.75-pound Daiwa rod thinking it couldn't be done with a 3lb rod, It's a shame that so many people have followed that ridiculous high LB hype
If only they knew how to reel in a carp properly, but unfortunately you see more and more damaged mouths, and when you look at their equipment you see that almost all of them use rods with an unnecessarily high LB value...
People who describe a 4lb rod as a Carp rod (not Marker/spot rod) for between 100-160 yards like Ali are just idiots.
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Looks like OMC are competing with NGT these days - unsure if it was the twig but something happened and they now seem to get a Far East brochure and order away.
For me he’s actually done more to build the Korda brand since he’s left, proving that ‘not just anyone’ can build a brand.
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In reply to Post #5
3k is Just on the factory built harrison trebs, torrix and aviators both have 1k. Basically making the point that he's saying oh these rods have the same components as top end rods and they just don't
Bet you can find a better build for the same money as these
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In reply to Post #13
If the fish are at 160m it seems pretty obvious that it would be an advantage to have a rod that can put a bait that far.
Why are you that bothered about the rods that other people fish with?!
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So many brands in fishing these days I won’t touch because of the marketing and brand image… OMC being top of the tree ! Closely followed by ridge****ey , Nash and thinking anglers. Perhaps I’m just old and miserable or not the marketed audience being an old miserable git.
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In reply to Post #14
I will never buy anything from OMC. Can't stick the p***k.
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I would rather use a piece of garden cane than an OMC rod....
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In reply to Post #12
And how far do the cast then these days that the need a 4lb rod +140 meter (153 yard)?
In my younger days i fished at 140m with a 3 lbs1/2 rod, have today's rods become so much worse then that such distances are no longer possible without a 3.5/4lb rod?
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In reply to Post #11
Ridiculous for you. Some people still cast a fishing rod, even in 2025
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For far distances i use a rubber boat in 2025, 3.75/4Lb rods are just ridiculous imo.
Tried the Helical (10ft 3.00lb) this week got my first carp on it, the are unbeatable in their price range.
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In reply to Post #9
why would anyone buy rods off hamidi...buy rods from proven company's and dont get suckered in to his sales pitch that your life will be alot worse without these rods and you won't catch your biggest carp without these rods...
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In reply to Post #8
And what is it these days with all those 3.5/4lb rods, i even catch catfish till 56lb with my 2.75 lb Free spirit Es 2.75lb
It's for casting further. Not for landing bigger fish.
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I take my S- range ES with 3k weave over any Harrison/ Free spirit hi 1k weave rod
And what is it these days with all those 3.5/4lb rods, i even catch catfish till 56lb with my 2.75 lb Free spirit Es 2.75lb
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You can get a 3k weave on a westlake carp rod from go outdoors for less money than these.
Post edit - I just googled it 3K weave is a lot cheaper than 1k
A 3K weave describes the number of filaments (3,000) in a tow and influences the fabric's strength and optical appeal, but higher-density weaves like 1K are more expensive. The term "cheaper carbons" is a broad concept, but in general, higher-grade carbon fiber is more costly due to the denser weave and increased strength it provides.
Here's why:
What 3K refers to:
"3K" indicates that the carbon fiber is made from bundles of 3,000 individual filaments that are then woven together to form a fabric.
Density and cost:
A higher-density weave, such as 1K (1,000 filaments), uses more individual fibers in a given area and therefore requires more material to produce. This makes 1K carbon fiber more expensive than 3K carbon fiber because it offers increased strength and stiffness.
Strength vs. Cost:
While 3K carbon fiber provides good strength and is often used in applications like fishing rods, it is not inherently a "cheaper" carbon. The cost is relative; a more robust, high-strength carbon fiber will always command a higher price.
Other Factors:
Besides the weave density, the quality of the carbon fibers themselves, the type of weave pattern (like twill vs. plain weave), and the finishing process all contribute to the overall cost of the carbon material.
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No. But you can be sure they are the best casting, best playing and best looking rods on the market coz Ali says so......
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In reply to Post #4
I may be wrong, but I am sure some of the Harrison rods have a 3k weave! Surely they are as top end as you can get?
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In reply to Post #1
The moment he said something about only the most expensive rods having the same 3k weave as the black pearl I stopped listening.
He's trying to market the rods as top end for low prices. If he said similar to what korda do with their kaizen greens saying its a mid range rod but performs extremely well for a very high percentage of anglers. Korda actively put people off the platinums, the everyday angler won't see a huge difference in performance but they will see a huge difference on their wallets. I'm not saying the kaizens are good rods, never used them but they market the greens very well
No top end rod will have a 3k weave and he shouldn't be saying things like this. A lot of people may just take his word for it. I'm pretty sure if you search for rods around the same price they will use 3k weaves (if they have a weave). Once you go get over £150 if they have a weave they will be 1k.
Wouldn't surprise if theres another more expensive range of rods in the pipeline. Christ knows what he would say about them.
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In reply to Post #1
Only people going to have used these this early is field testers, if there are any? Hardly time for anyone unassociated to the brand to form an unbiased opinion
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In reply to Post #1
Kaizens all day long
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Anyone used these , looking at ordering some? Feedback appreciated.
These or kaizens
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