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In reply to Post #38
Not quite within the spirit of the rules, but could you use something along the lines of a lead clip without a tail rubber, or very lightly fitted tail rubber but instead of using a size 8 swivel use a size 11, or whatever you find suitable. Obviously this would be a loose fit so giving you a running rig, but before casting put a piece of fine silicone tube, or grass, or anything else you think would work, inside the lead clip to give the swivel a slightly snug fit. It would require a bit of experimenting to get the swivel just tight enough to eject the lead everytime so as not to be left with the clip running on the line with the lead still attached. One thing I've found that helps the lead discharge with minimal resistance is to tie a small mono loop onto the lead wire/swivel and use this to attach the lead to the clip.
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In reply to Post #36
"You can easily use lead clips with NO tail rubber whatsoever (lots do this when zig fishing)."
This is the principle of the brilliantly designed MCF lead clip where you don't use a tail rubber and the lead absolutely ejects instantly every time you get a bite.
Going back to my original post, what I was hoping to get to was a running rig arrangement, as stated in the club rules, but where I could eject the lead quickly and hopefully get the fish to come up in the water. I realise now that's something I'm not going to be able to achieve without a lot of messing about i.e. tying leads on with a rotten bottom etc. Ideally I would just use the MCF arrangement but I can't because of the rules.
As recommended below, I did buy a Fox Drop Off Run Rig Kit and didn't like it at all for many of the reasons listed by others below regarding the dangers of running rigs with lead clips. One of the things I didn't like is the clip itself is very tight when you insert the lead swivel. The fish can't eject the lead for you as it's a running rig so the lead won't come off until it's snagged in the weed which isn't what I want at all.
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Beware, there are lead clips and proper working lead clips. I've got some I was given that will not work properly. The tail tab comes back to the tube at far too tight an angle, leaving virtually no gap between the tab and the end of the tube the swivel pushes into. Absolutely useless for anything, and potentially dangerous.
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OK Danny....
You seem to just want to argue a completely stupid point, when you are absolutely wrong & very clearly don't understand how things work at all.
You can easily use lead clips with NO tail rubber whatsoever (lots do this when zig fishing). The lead will not come off on the cast when feathered. You can trim the lug on a lead clip with a tail rubber so the lead comes off instantly. The lead clip is one of the most clever inventions ever for carp fishing. A running lead should be used with a large bore ring/swivel. Not a small bore two inch plastic tube.
As long as novices or young anglers reading this understand that you are talking absolute ******** just to argue a stupid point is all that really matters.
Lead clips are not designed to be fished running. Doing so is incredibly dangerous. In the event of a crack off up the mainline you have a running lead on a very thin small holed bit of solid plastic. When that is 10 yards away from the hooked fish it becomes VIRTUALLY impossible for that fish to then eject that lead off of that clip. When the small plastic bore catches up to the birds nest, it's normally a dead fish in that case as the pressure as the fish pulls is jamming the tail rubber back onto the clip, physically not allowing the lead to come off. Think about it. The fish pulls, the tail rubber is being forced back against the clip.
After your previous comments, you clearly are not just going to accept that you are wrong, no matter how many people tell you that you are.
You are clearly on a little wind up, or just stubborn to the point of silliness. On that note I'm out 
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In reply to Post #33
I get the whole mechanics thing, but you have to put the sleeve on soo lightly for it to come off, which is not ideal for obvious reasons. (when it hits the water)
And holding a weight with a pear of pliers hanging down and shaking it does NOT simulate a fish shaking it's head attached to a fishing rod.
I have untethered fish where the rubber has been attached lightly.
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In reply to Post #32
Quote.... How can the lead discharge \ release from the leadclip if it's not stuck \ tethered?
If you are actually being serious and not on a wind up Danny.... Set up a lead clip fixed safely into the swivel like it is meant to be. Put the whole rig on the table in front of you, pick up the hook with a pair of pliers. The first thing that will happen when you lift the lead off the table will be the lead will slide to the back of the lead clip lug, to the weak end where the tail rubber sits. The weight of the lead will be all on that weak link now, not the stronger side of the lug where it sits when you cast, or reel in.
Now give the pliers a small shake imitating a fish shaking its head and watch the lead fall off. There are no snags on your living room table. The weight of the lead alone is enough to discharge the lead once the fish has picked it up. Now do the same with the lead clip running how you are advocating. You will never be able to get rid of the lead like you did with the lead clip fixed. The lead will not even move to the weak end of the lead clip lug! That will only happen if that lead becomes snagged when it is running.
Lead clips should never be used running. I've seen stupid idiot tackle manufacturers advocating this before online. It's absolute lunacy and probably the most dangerous lead set up that you could possibly have.
It's akin to getting in a car with your missus, putting on the seat belt... But wrapping it twice around your throat first. It's just not safe. Your missus will call you a ****ing idiot and ask you what the **** you are doing. You are taking an incredibly well designed product, but putting your own little spin on it. Your own little spin that is making it incredibly dangerous.
As for leads on lead clips not ejecting when the fish charges into weed.... That's simply in no way whatsoever true. If you are using a lead clip and the lead does not eject in weed... That is 100% user error from putting on the tail rubber to far. A well set up lead clip WILL eject the lead EVERY time when a fish hits weed. Every single time without exception.
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In reply to Post #32
Its simple physics and it certainly doesn't have to be tethered as you claim.
A simple test for you would be to try to pick a rig up with a lead clip fixed to the swivel and shake the rig there is a good chance the lead will drop off depending on how far you care to ram on the tail rubber which should never be rammed on!, now do the same with a running lead clip and the clip will slide away with lead still attached which imo makes this variation unsafe.
A lead can discharge from a lead clip via resistance on the lead without being tethered 1 example would be on the take itself (the lead does create a resistance) which is a way a lot of people fish (rightly or wrongly) if the fish bolts off, its pulling directly against the lead all that is now holding the lead on is the tension of the tail rubber depending on the type of leadclip and how far tail ruber is pushed on denotes how easy it is for the lead to come off.
Another example is even a mesh pva bag on the hook end of rig if the cast is just allowed to drop ie not hitting the clip and feathering down, sinking on a tight line, then the lead hits the water first then the extra resistance of bag hitting water and the lead trying to sink faster than the pva bag can cause the lead to eject or on a running version can cause the leadclip to land on lake bed some distance away from hooklink.
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In reply to Post #31
How can the lead discharge \ release from the leadclip if it's not stuck \ tethered? 
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In reply to Post #24
Danny i dont have to think about it i know from experience that a lead clip will discharge the lead when set up correctly.
As i think you are implying the lead has to be tethered to discharge from the clip? if so this again is incorrect.
I think its you that seriously needs to have a good think about it
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In reply to Post #24
No tubing either? You seem rather lax with regards to angling safely.
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In reply to Post #28
Eh? No boats here. You're weird .
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In reply to Post #27
Rowing out in the Boat doesn't count. 
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In reply to Post #26
Wrong. It releases when used correctly. Fact. I've been using them since they were released decades ago and have never once had a lead not discharge when weeded up with a fish on. Not once.
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In reply to Post #25
I have used them "as designed", lol .
A lead on a 'semi fixed' (lol fixed!) lead clip will never discharge in thick weed because the system will be locked \ clogged in the weed.
The lead clip and\or antii tangle sleeve will lock up in the weed before the lead.
The whole thing is stuck. That lead can't be released.
Until Autumn.
And they won't discharge anywhere else in the bleeding lake (think Autumn, Winter, Spring). Absolute madness! 
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In reply to Post #24
As you dont use lead clips in the way they were designed, how would you know how they work? The can and do drop the lead when it gets weeded up, contrary to your theory. They need to be fixed to give them that anchor point to work properly to discharge the lead if needed
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In reply to Post #23
""With a lead clip set up running what you say is correct, but if the lead clip is still attached to swivel the lead has a far greater chance to come off and does""
?? Don't undertsand, sounds like a contradiction.
The lead *has to* become thethered to be able to release from the clip.
It doesn't in most scenarios. Can you imagine swimming around a lake trying to dislodge zip\distance lead from a leadclip? You'd have a hell of a job!
""With a leadclip still attached to swivel and a fish goes through a weedbed there is a very high chance the lead will dislodge unless someone has really forced a tail rubber onto clip, and it isnt just weed beds where the lead will come off.""
This is so far from the truth.
Fish swims into weed, anti tangle sleeve (maybe) and leadclip get pulled straight into weedbed, get locked up, lead has absolutely no play in events. Everything is snarled in weed , lead will never pull off, because the rig can't go any further
The leadclip and\or anti tangle sleeve system will get snarled into the weed first with the lead having no influence - it's locked..... Think about it.
I realise if you use a leadclip with tubing there is a chance of problems, but on balance in my opinion a running leadclip is far safer. Gets you more fish on the bank, too, not that is important.
I always fish leadclips naked ( no tubing), running lead clip. Safer, and more fish on the bank.
If you use a barbless hook, dismiss everything, Doesn't matter what you use.
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In reply to Post #22
quote "That's the problem - they don't.
The lead is just dangling around as the fish swims around. The likelyhood of it catching anything in the lake, holding \ getting stuck, then releasing from the clip is close to zero. (unless the lead has prongs)"
With a lead clip set up running what you say is correct, but if the lead clip is still attached to swivel the lead has a far greater chance to come off and does
With a leadclip still attached to swivel and a fish goes through a weedbed there is a very high chance the lead will dislodge unless someone has really forced a tail rubber onto clip, and it isnt just weed beds where the lead will come off.
This isnt a way i would fish but even on a clear lake a lead clip can eject a lead on the take just because of the resistance of the lake bed, where as a running leadclip wont create the same resistance as it will slide down the line with the potential to cause other problems
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In reply to Post #20
""leadclips are best at ejecting leads when they are still attached to the swivel so if the lead gets caught while fish is towing it the clip stays in place making it easier for the lead to then come off.""
That's the problem - they don't.
The lead is just dangling around as the fish swims around. The likelyhood of it catching anything in the lake, holding \ getting stuck, then releasing from the clip is close to zero. (unless the lead has prongs)
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In reply to Post #20
Agreed, running lead clips are really unsafe imo
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In reply to Post #19
leadclips are best at ejecting leads when they are still attached to the swivel so if the lead gets caught while fish is towing it the clip stays in place making it easier for the lead to then come off.
I know a lot of named anglers promote it but personally i dont like the idea at all of using a running lead clip with its smaller diameter hole through a longer length gives it far more resistance to come off a snapped line than a conventional large run ring
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In reply to Post #1
Just use a lead clip with a bead in front to make it run. lead will pop off. Easy!
Could tie the lead on with say 6/8lb strain line. I do this on heli set ups in heavy weed.
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In reply to Post #17
I use a big swivel on mine m8, holds it quite firm, but will come out on the cast or a take without the pin fitted, it stays in ok when reeling in.
Daz
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In reply to Post #16
Daz
The clip you attach your lead to, will it accommodate a big eye swivel or does your lead have to have a standard swivel?
Reason I ask is that I have some old discontinued Nash ones which are similar, but not angled like the Temu ones. They have to be used with a lead with a standard swivel, which is a bit pants as you have to get "special" leads made up.
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In reply to Post #14
Have you got a link mate.
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In reply to Post #13
If you go with the fox kit they're a fraction of the price on temu for the identical kit.
Daz
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In reply to Post #12
Thanks guys, I'll have a look at the run rig kits.
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In reply to Post #1
https://willyworms.co.uk/products/nash-run-clip-pack
Thee will eject if get caught on anything, think the idea is once the line tightens up they become fixed on the line
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In reply to Post #10
Sorry just seen already been covered 😅
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In reply to Post #8
Have a look at the fox angled run beads which is what I use for my running setup. Instead of the peg which locks lead in place they do little pva strips. Never used them this way and may lose alot of leads on retrieval. But the lead swivel is quite tight anyway so may just drop when you actually get a take and start playing fish...
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In reply to Post #7
Sucks to lose fish, so I see your problem.
You might find some inspiration here
linkypoo
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In reply to Post #6
I realise what I'm asking is a bit conflicting. A rule on my syndicate is you have to use running rigs. I lost a couple of fish in weed this week and I wondered if I was able to drop the lead I could have landed them.
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In reply to Post #6
I realise what I'm asking is a bit conflicting. A rule on my syndicate is you have to use running rigs. I lost a couple of fish in weed this week and I wondered if I was able to drop the lead I could have landed them.
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In reply to Post #1
Fox do these:
Fox drop off run ring kit
Edit: #5 beat me to it.
May I ask why you want to drop the lead?
The point of using a running setup is that the lead creates a rather fixed point for the line to run through giving great bite indication. By losing the lead you don't get that effect, so you might as well use a drop off heli setup or a lead clip.
I have been using this setup for the last year Matt Collins run rig setup, and I have been very impressed with how good the bite indication has been. I can really recommend it - even with light leads.
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In reply to Post #4
You could use Fox running kit and PVA strips.
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In reply to Post #3
On the take.
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In reply to Post #1
you want to eject it on take or when it get tangled ?
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In reply to Post #1
swivel on the line silicone on bottom end lead pushed into opposite end of silicone
Pva string to hold it in to cast with
Like the attached
https://www.fishersdirect.com/premier-silicone-swivel-float-adaptor-19496-p.asp
Swivel float attachments
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Any ideas how I can do this please?
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