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In reply to Post #141
I only bought the rs as tft had a 15% off code. I would never pay full price for anything.
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In reply to Post #142
I have the new frontier 2 x and so far so good. Better than I expected to be honest. I put it up and down several times before taking it on the bank. The block has been faultless. The material seems an upgrade to the v1, darker green and I think it’s slightly thicker. I do think it’s much better value for money than the tempest red but that’s my personal opinion. I managed to get it for just over £500 which obviously made my mind up.
See how this season goes before being 100% on it thought. If the gears don’t fail then happy days I say
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In reply to Post #141
im in the same boat, cannot bring myself to pay the price of a tempest, even the brolly. im still using the v2 brolly but its looking a bit tired now. I bought the cygnet cyclone 100 for 80 quid and haven't used that yet...not sold on the cyclone and only picked it up as it was cheap as a back up as my tempest brolly is tired.
I just dont see how the new tempest brolly warrants the price increase, I also dont like the camo pattern that's used too
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In reply to Post #138
I'm in the same boat but the thought of paying the Tempest price makes me feel like I'm being royally shafted for the name 
So much so I started looking at the Wychwood Epic which looks to be great value for money. Iirc Miniwelsh bought one recently I'm waiting to see if he gives feedback on it.
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In reply to Post #138
I would take the rs over the frontier every time soley for the block. Cant comment on the condensation as my rs is still sat in its box as never used it. Ive seen my mates and material does look thinner than my aqua ultralite. The rs is my 4th tempest and ive never noticed the condensation be any worse than anything else and my mate never had an issue with condensation on his rs100.
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In reply to Post #135
Blimey, not good 
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In reply to Post #136
I'm glad you brought the Tempest up, as I am undecided on the RS or Frontier.
Is the condensation issue with them exaggerated or not?
Heard a few people say the material is thinner than of previous?
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In reply to Post #135
Ah OK, cheers.
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In reply to Post #135
The block is way to over complicated with to many internal parts to break. No idea why you need gears inside of it. Tempest block is simple and very little to go wrong.
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In reply to Post #134
Not user error at all,the blocks are failing
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So apart from user error, no actual major issues by the sounds of it.
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In reply to Post #132
Alot of user error with Fox bivvies,must be idiots who use them 
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In reply to Post #130
That was user error too want it 
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In reply to Post #125
They made the locking system so that you know it's fanned out properly to avoid popping out the front poles as that's why that used to happen
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In reply to Post #115
The aerospace ali (dull grey colour) on the early fox evo was sound.
Got to agree, a sort of shot gun sound  I never owned the shiny version.
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In reply to Post #120
It's his job. If that's where the money is then why shouldn't he work for Fox?
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In reply to Post #125
They needed do something to make it sedm like a big upgrade or people wouldn't bother changing.Im just glad I cancelled mine and got the tempest rs brolly
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In reply to Post #124
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Did anyone have a problem with the original mechanism though? Maybe it's just me that thinks this is a solution to a problem nobody ever had.
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In reply to Post #123
Who knows? They made the video ok
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In reply to Post #122
Do you think any of the consultants had issues with them 🤔
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In reply to Post #118
Replacements for people being a bit thick?
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In reply to Post #120
💰💰💰💰
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makes you wonder why Terry edmonds has gone to fox
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In reply to Post #118
I got the Spomb X rod last year and 1st outing noticed the top section was cracked, it took about 4 months to get a new 1..I ended up buying a cheap Greys xcelerate off ebay whist it got sorted and I've never used the Spomb rod..
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In reply to Post #117
It will take months for Fox to sort replacements too,the company that own Fox now do not give a flying xxxx about customers
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In reply to Post #33
Only a few v2 have been used so far but already starting to see th new block having issues of the locking teeth shearing and the storm pole mags placed on the wrong way 🤣🤣
Is this Fox leaving us to be field testers AGAIN
Not a good start. Was keen to look at one but these early issues have put me right off for now tbh
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In reply to Post #114
That's what happened to the original ultralite poles.......BANG
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In reply to Post #114
The aerospace ali (dull grey colour) on the early fox evo was sound.
The newer shiny ali was brittle and crap, defo not the aero stuff.
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In reply to Post #111
Yeah. Sure. But If it was a noteworthy alloy they would be naming it, and shouting from the roof tops what it is. It's going to be chinesium.
You're not wrong, they were very proud of, was it the T6000 aerospace stuff, used on their/my evo....even that went boom every now and then for someone, inc me 
Sat there happy in your bivvy, talking to the owner of the lake then it sounds like a shot gun's just gone off over your head...oh no, wait a minute, just my evos pole
I did love that bivvy though.
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In reply to Post #112
Metal alloy is better than plastic
That's complete nonsence. "Metal alloy" covers a massive range of materials, and so does "plastic." It's a completely ill-informed argument. If it was a decent metal alloy, they would be advertising what it was.
I can't be bothered to rebute the rest of your points, but i stand by my original statements.
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In reply to Post #106
Make it lighter - Frontier lite available for the last 4 years?
Make it so the skull cap stays on - undo the poles from the poles on the front and side Velcro straps - pack bivvy away with skull cap attached?
make it so it stands up on its own without needing pegs - erect bivvy and it stands up?
make zipping the front panel in easier - hold zip in hand and zip it on?
Metal alloy is better than plastic, it's also easy to use and lasts if your not a numpty who can't erect a bivvy properly and force it
 
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In reply to Post #110
Yeah. Sure. But If it was a noteworthy alloy they would be naming it, and shouting from the roof tops what it is. It's going to be chinesium.
I would like them to use a metal alloy that they actually name, rather than the generic term for monkey metal.
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In reply to Post #106
The space shuttle was built from metal alloys developed by NASA. It just means a base metal mixed with something else, usually to enhance rather than degrade. What else would you like them to use if not an alloy?
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I wish the front poles of my v1 were longer, so when it's not pegged out. It doesn't look like it's about to fall forward
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The early Titans just had a simple spike on the main rear pole.
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It does seem like an over complicated poor design that will be prone to issues and failures i certainly wouldn't buy one
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There are numerous reasons my Frontier rarely comes out, and it doesn't seem like any of those issues have been addressed.
Good news everyone, we have now made it more complicated to put away, and it's heavier too.
Make it lighter, make it so the skull cap stays on, make it so it stands up on its own without needing pegs, make zipping the front panel in easier.
"Metal alloy" isn't a good thing, it just means it's such poor quality metal they legally aren't allowed to call it metal
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In reply to Post #104
The 1st line of my reply to you says so 
And as per the rest of my reply, simple, totally agree, can I see why people are doing what they're used to and breaking them, instead of what they're supposed to do, yes.
If they'd given that bivvy to a earlier version user without any explanation, they'd have seen the potential for a issue and I think Fox should've designed round it.
A analogy, Boeing, design their aircraft so pilots can jump from one to another with the least amount of training...and then they realise they've been designing it from a designers pov and not a pilots, and then mistakes happen.
EDIT, re the Trakker boys, sad to even have to think that isn't it, but I'm totally with you on it...modern day and age
EDIT 2...might still get a new Frontier yet then. wait and see a while yet 
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In reply to Post #103
Have you watched the official fox video for the bivvy? It's so simple to put down I don't get how these people got it wrong!
They're probably social media RS fan boys trying to get more people buying a RS for a pot of pop ups from trakker......
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In reply to Post #102
The 2 examples I have seen the users tried to force the legs back then moan the gear is damaged
You had to make me watch the video again Given what you're saying it's not the bivvies fault imo, it's operator error....but... the strength & selling point of the Mk2 was the ease of putting up & taking down. A lot of people will be migrating from the earlier version, I can see them doing what they've done before and are used to doing, I'd of designed that potential error out of the mechanism*, and Fox should have done the same.
*single lift of the tag should disengage the arms too, not require a double lift.
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In reply to Post #101
You can't compensate for thick people who can't move a lever up and down to put a bivvy away......
The 2 examples I have seen the users tried to force the legs back then moan the gear is damaged
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In reply to Post #98
Metal alloy thats not fit for purpose then. As Andy says it will be set up and put away in rain, wind and even darkness so user error should be engineered out if its that easy to break. Its a pointless design thats totally over complicates its intended use to save a couple of seconds over a tried and tested tempest block. It also relies on a plastic lever and pin with two little hooks to hold the pin in place. There was another post where the skull cap had the velcro sewn in the wrong place so it couldn't be attached to the main bivvy.
Its a complete disaster of a product launch they deem to be the worlds best bivvy 😂
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they made a big fuss about the illuminated bobbins amd they look ***** too
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Usual quality control from Fox,I used to really rate their gear but not these days
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I know what I have seen and read.....you continue to post ya opinions......
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In reply to Post #95
Thats a load of ********, its not fit for purpose. No way a part like that should be made out of cheap brittle plastic.
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In reply to Post #95
lets be honest, we could be packing these down in mud, rain, frost snow.....this block needs to be eay and fool proof and by the sounds and looks of it, theyre going to fail by the bucket load....people saying you can get spares too.....spares for a new bivvy...fox could suck my hairy plums if they think id buy a spare for a brand new bivvy
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In reply to Post #89
Have you also read it was user error! Trying to force the arms down on pack up and it's not plastic gears it a metal alloy.........
Get a grip sheeple and make sure you read all the info........
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In reply to Post #92
I'm not saying anything about typos, retribution would be very swift if so
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In reply to Post #91
sorry mate, was a typo, was supposed to be geared plastic
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So soon...out of the box greased plastic..wth. From memory doesn't some grease degrade certain plastic, wonder if they've checked....grease and tent material...who in the right mind?
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In reply to Post #89
ive seen that , they're shearing off without any grit ,mud or excessive wear on them....brand new out the bag in some cases.....like you when I heard them say the v2 block was geared plastic i thought theure asking for trouble .
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Seen a few of the new frontier 2's breaking already on facebook. The teeth are shearing off on the cog inside the boss. It looked great at first but after looking closer and seeing that plastic toothed cog i knew it would fail so not sure how Fox couldnt see it. Trakker boss much better design than that fox contraption.
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In reply to Post #87
Had my MK1 frontier for a couple of years and it has failed in at least 4 ways. Water ingress around the pockets, water ingress at the top, poles have popped out of the block, and finally a pole snapped off at the block a couple of weeks ago. They're a lot of money, I'd think very carefully before spending it - I know my next bivvy won't be fox.
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In reply to Post #85
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In reply to Post #72
Other than price and the included skull cap does anyone have a like for like comparison (pros cons) vs the Trakker RS range?
For me the RS100 looks like an ideal UK 1man size and the main sell is the doorway space / head height - what's the Frontier 2 equivalent like as the sizing is completely different and to get decent height the XL seems the only equivalent? . . . but I don't want a 1.5man bivvy!
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In reply to Post #83
It wasnt a pop at you
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In reply to Post #82
Agreed 👍🏻 Angling direct, another reason why I hate carp fishing. Would rather flush my money down the toilet than give it to AD.
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In reply to Post #82
Just letting people know that there are plenty around for sale before mid Jan if they do want one.
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In reply to Post #79
Rather **** in my hands and clap than give them my money.Looks like Fox have given the stock to them and left the independent shops with the scraps or none
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In reply to Post #78
Think the majority of the big companies like nash, fox, solar etc couldnt give a **** about customer service. One of the reasons i packed in carp fishing. Got a garage full of new gear that I will never use again but really cant be bothered to list it all on ebay as its a total chore so it can stay there forever. I never thought that I would end up hating the sport so much.
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In reply to Post #79
TFT have stock but ain't looked which ones
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Looks like AD have the standard Camo in stock.
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In reply to Post #77
God knows whats going on then but Fox dont reply to emails either.The lack of customer service really put me off and if that new block has issues they wont be interested,since they've been took over theyre **** only got the green in standard not camo,just looked on website
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In reply to Post #76
Cheam angling 1 bloke got his from and says they have stock of normal and camo 
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In reply to Post #75
Ahhh ok I had the standard in camo on order
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In reply to Post #74
I have seen people saying they have the X and XL
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In reply to Post #73
Oh right ok,what colour and size
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In reply to Post #69
Lots of people on social media saying they the new one?
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In reply to Post #71
My Frontier Lite is the best bivvy I've owned.
Must be because of the new ones on the way?
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Seem to be a lot of Frontiers up for sale recently. Are they unreliable or just people getting ready for the V2? I watched my mate struggle for ages trying to get the front poles in place.
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In reply to Post #68
Due at Fox 29th,probably be in shops mid Jan.Ive cancelled mine,Fox have no customer service at all.It put me off completely,if have any issues with the bivvy it would probably take Fox months to sort
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In reply to Post #67
I dont think they are out yet.
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Has anyone got hold of one of these yet and used it?
Looking for feedback.
Cheers
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In reply to Post #50
I've got an X and standard size (Lite)
It doesn't seem much difference in size etc but it does make a difference
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In reply to Post #64
This is what makes me really want to part with my money for one, I do think it is reasonably priced in today's market, at least, I just wished they'd have made it bigger
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In reply to Post #63
One thing I will say is that the new changes are decent and well thought out.
Plus the pricing seems ok compared to the likes of Trakker and the new Nash stuff
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In reply to Post #62
I'll be waiting for feedback on the 1st lot before committing, as I'm sure a few will.
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In reply to Post #60
No benefit what so ever really but I bet a lot of people want to get one of the first ones before they sell out and have to wait another 6 months for the next boat from china. Carp fishing is more like a fashion statement these days.
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In reply to Post #60
100% make you right
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What is the benefit in pre ordering a bivvy?
It seems like you pay maximum price, wait months after handing over some/all of the money and end up with one of the first batch with all the duffers?
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In reply to Post #57
£100 deposit at the the shop i seen on the net but not sure of they are all like that.
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In reply to Post #57
It looks a very decent upgrade but I am not parting with my funds 4 months early and the weight of em is a downside IMO
Slow boats from china are always later than planned 😆😆
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In reply to Post #56
Do pre orders require deposit.....thinking cash flow ie, like Nash.
A very strange launch with nothing ready and just after Xmas too...hmm
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14th January the due date now stands at,Fox are terrible for this
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In reply to Post #53
If you are calling something XL, bloody make it XL though
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In reply to Post #53
It's Xl a Big 1 man XL...Fox was always clear, the Frontier has always been a 1-man bivvy, so I don't understand the whole 2-man thing because that has never been the case.
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In reply to Post #50
I don't disagree.
If you are calling something XL, bloody make it XL though.
As far as the options go, they either need to up their sizes so there is significant difference, or drop one of the sizing options, IMO.
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In reply to Post #51
XL for normal people, small for carpy hobbits
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In reply to Post #50
The x is easily their best seller, why scrap it, it is the best size..
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In reply to Post #49
why have 3 sizes, just do either a 1 man & 2 man or a 1.5 man & a 2 man.
F Dims: 250 x 185 x 130 cm.
X Dims 260 x 198 x 140cm.
XL Dims: 270 x 210 x 165cm.
I'd scrap the X, seems neither here nor there difference wise.
That said, even the XL doesn't look like an ideal 2 man bivvy for longer sessions.
TBH, I don't think any 2 man is great for longer sessions unless with a extension, those sizes seem normal to me.
Re weight, I'd rather have it and a solid product than not have it and a flimsy product. You get used to the weight, it's not a biggy tbh.
I think Fox could and should have created a tent connector that fits to a gazebo type shelter. If it's peeing down all week the last thing you want is a low extension, you need to be able to stand up and stretch. Something like the Outwell Event lounge & connector which you can add sides too if wanted.
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Must admit the V2 looks a fab bit of kit.
A couple of things that annoy me though, firstly, why have 3 sizes, just do either a 1 man & 2 man or a 1.5 man & a 2 man. That said, even the XL doesn't look like an ideal 2 man bivvy for longer sessions. I was looking at it with a view to taking my 6 year old next year with me , but looks as though I'd need either the extension or over wrap to accommodate us both for longer sessions at least.
Second thing that I'm struggling with is the weight of the thing, over 21kg! My current 2 man bivvy is 15kg and that is a ball ache to transport at times.
That all said, I'm so impressed with what you get for the price that I still may end up parting with my money.
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In reply to Post #47
I almost ordered one with my fox chair but though best to wait until they are in stock as Jan is a along time off
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Anyone got one on pre order,I would not expect your order before Christmas.Ive been told looking at January unless something changes very quickly with production
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In reply to Post #44
And yet you have plenty of space inside to the straight sides/back. The Trakker 150 is barely bigger inside, search for Frontier on this forum there's a photo of me with the same setup in a Frontier XD vs a Trakker 150.
The Trakker 150 is a lot bigger on the outside but not on the inside compared to the Frontier XD/XL.
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Post 504: Xd vs Termpest150
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In reply to Post #43
jesus.. that is a big weight for a bivvy, I have an xd which is like carrying a body bag, an extra 5kg for the new 1 would need foundations digging in
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In reply to Post #43
Going off fox's sizes even the xl version is smaller than a standard pioneer and nearly the same depth a ultralite. I thought it would of been on par with a pio 150 or tempest 150 size wise.
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In reply to Post #32
It looks like the xl is around 5 to 6kg heavier than the xd, around 21kg with everything in the bag
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In reply to Post #41
I can see that. I have the original Frontier from the early 0's and it is a heavy old thing but I still sometimes take it for the odd 24 hour, I have the Trakker V2 Air for shorter sessions as it's the thing most like my Fox Evo size wise if not in flexibility height wise, in fact I view it more as a rigid brolly.
The one thing I hate about both is lack of ventilation in hot summer temps and that's the only reason I've been considering the newer Frontier, I ruled the Trakker out on Price and I'm tempted by the Wychwood Epic.
Like has been mentioned I wonder if the previous models extension fits the Mk2 as they seem to be very similar in size, could be a saving to be made if so.
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In reply to Post #32
I sold my x because of the weight of it,was like a body bag....doest suit my 24 hr sessions at all
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Never owned a fox bivvy since the original evolution but that looks very good. After seeing my mates trakker rs bivvy they should be very worried as i didnt rate it at all. The material looks thin and hate the collars on the ribs and all those eyelets inside hurt your eyes, no idea why there are so many.
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It genuinely hurts my head trying to keep up with these fan out style bivvies. So many models, sizes, add ons etc ..... And for me far to many moving parts that can/will go wrong!
Long live the pramhood! 😁
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3 years i have my Frontier now, zero problems with the block, also see no reason to get the V2.
Maby in a few years i will get the v3 or v4
Saw a few with bars popping out the block but this was 100% user error aka no clue how to prober setup/ takedown
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In reply to Post #36
For anyone having issues with the front arms popping out of the block check the allen bolts in the block are all tight. Mine was having this issue and they were all loose, tightened them up and no more probs so far.
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In reply to Post #33
Includes the peak as well..not a bad price imo
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In reply to Post #31
I think the fact the boss now has a lockable position for the 2 outer ribs should ensure that when raising the front ribs you know it's extended into the correct position meaning no more user error 
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In reply to Post #29
It looks very good in the video, the quick spring together poles and locking system looks a great upgrade.
My frontier x is still going strong 3 years in and used 2 nights every week. I wont be rushing to replace it.
£700 for the new X isnt to bad, £150 more than i paid for my FX with peak.
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Is it any lighter do we know?
That's the only thing that I hate about my Frontier is the weight of the thing. Other than that I can't fault it.
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I wonder if the 2 outer front ribs that push up and click in will be any better than the V1 ones as there were quite a few reports of failures.
Pricing, the XL extension for eg has a RRP of £599 (olive) according to TFT, to me that's a bit much, almost £1500 for a full system! (£1349 Olive)
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In reply to Post #29
That's very keen indeed!
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In reply to Post #28
The prices are very keen imo, might have taken note of the Wychwood Epic
RRP F £599, FX £699, FXL £749, That's olive add £50 for camo each size.
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In reply to Post #26
What is the price of the new fox frontier?
I assume all these update come with a modified price tag as well
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In reply to Post #26
Totally agree Andy
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In reply to Post #25
trakker took alot of business away from themselves with the price of the rs range..theyre taking the piss big time...
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The boss self locking is a great idea. I can see this taking a lot of business from Trakkers Tempest!
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In reply to Post #22
And youtube now too
LINKY POO™ https://youtu.be/_LZ95evCHIQ?si=C4jIJQbS2kxmh87z
Do we think the old deluxe extensions fit the new models? Same dimensions on the new so i can't imagine they wouldn't, just looks like a slight colour difference on the green. (Cammo obviously not even close)
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In reply to Post #22
Looks good to me though will hang off a bit and see if any 'issues' arise with it. One thing they should have done and I think 'ultimate' can be challenged, velcro tabs to open the vents so you don't have to peg them out.
EDIT, and don't like the way they've forgotten the original, this is V3 not 2
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https://www.facebook.com/share/v/17WPTM9e1m/?mibextid=wwXIfr
Looks awesome with some very good upgrades to the boss and poles. I like the fact you get the skull cap with it too.
Out with the old and in with the new me thinks!
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In reply to Post #20
Doesn't having letter box opening on a Mozzy Mesh completely defeat the whole purpose of having a Mozzy Mesh
Couldn't agree more. Perhaps it's for vision when in use as ventilation instead of mozzies, or maybe for during the day when there's less of them about.
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From their website on the new accessories:
Frontier II - Camo Mozzy Mesh
Full zip in Camo Mozzy Mesh Panel now features 2 way double zip to allow “letter box” style opening. Compatible with the Deluxe Wrap
Doesn't having letter box opening on a Mozzy Mesh completely defeat the whole purpose of having a Mozzy Mesh?
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In reply to Post #18
Shame they haven't uploaded any videos on youtube at the same time, I suppose they'll come, seems a bit of a disjointed launch to me, same with the e-mails this morning. Looks like I'd only consider the Xl but saying height 165 doesn't really say what the door height is.
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In reply to Post #16
Later this year,around September/October ive heard.This is Fox though so could well be next spring,im waiting on the new duralite bed
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Anyone any more info on a new one coming?
Shops are clearing the decks of stock so presume news must be imminent
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In reply to Post #10
Yes and with mine its always been the left of the front 3 poles, i've slightly tightened the alan screws on the block now so hopefully cures it.
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In reply to Post #10
Mine is the xd which I only use for longer sessions and france but its happened 3 times now and its a bar steward to get back in lol. Maybe the smaller versions are ok
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Have not experienced this issue with either an "X" or a "Lite". I can't see how it could happen, provided everything is in order and it's actually assembled properly.
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In reply to Post #4
i had that happen to mine, it probaley was caused by human error.
Although i have another one now i havent had any problems with it at all. im also careful not to get any dirt or crud into the block when setting up or packing down.
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In reply to Post #10
The front 3.
Daz
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In reply to Post #4
I''ve got a Frontier V2 - should i be worried?
What do you mean by the front poles popping out? I've not used mine a great deal so can't really picture it. Do you mean the last 2 you do after the others have clicked in?
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In reply to Post #8
Have to wait for the Chinese CAD designer first 🤣🤣
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In reply to Post #7
No reason for a redesign of the block in that case, be interesting to see if they do.
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In reply to Post #4
Block design is fine, the poles popping out is user error.....
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In reply to Post #1
Yes there is a new version coming out,I wouldn't hold your breath with Fox on a release date though
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In reply to Post #4
the need for storm poles in the front would be alot better too...just dont think you cant beat the tempest in design
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I'd imagine they are changing the block design, hopefully the front bars won't pop out so easily....
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In reply to Post #2
fair point V3 it is...
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In reply to Post #1
Its been mentioned on here the present one is being discontinued.
The new one will be the V3 by the way, V2 is the present and V1 was from the early 0's. I still use the V1.
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Hi Heard a rumour Fox has a new frontier ready for release in the autumn anyone heard this and have any more info on "improvements" other than more money?
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