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In reply to Post #120
It could have something to do with the straits of Hormuz being shut and having to re rout around Africa so 3/4 times longer
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In reply to Post #119
I was wrong I just reread the message from Dave Eylatt its actually October.
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September? Thats madness!
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In reply to Post #117
Sod that only want one for the summer months.
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In reply to Post #113
September
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In reply to Post #115
I use the lo pro and it has the extended ribs. I think the QuickDraw does not have this and is more a typical Brolly with side flaps.
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What’s the differences between the QuickDraw and lo pro ??
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I recently picked one up and have also brough the jag specialist storm poles and lightweight pegs, striped back it all weighs 3kg so is a brilliant bit of kit for a mobile angler, Im 6"3 and have plenty of head room under it and have been very impressed with the coverage and ease of use
Buy with confidence
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In reply to Post #112
Does anyone know when they are back in stock?
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In reply to Post #111
Superb news, thanks for that
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In reply to Post #110
I have a 58 and im 6f5 i can sit up right on my bed buddy
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In reply to Post #109
What is the head room like? Can you sit on your bed without crouching?
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Thought I’d circle back on this, I went ahead and got a 52 inch and my solar bed fits well in there, very pleased with it. The main thing for me was packdown size, I had already tried one of the new Nash scope brolly’s but due to the height of my bed I could t push it far enough back. With the 52 I feel like I’ve got ample cover as you can drop it down low if needed. If I had a 58 with the solar Cp-tech you’d have decent amount of room
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It always amazes me that manufactures leave off critical information on product listings.
Daiwa don't specify the weight or pack size of this brolly.
I also noticed it doesn't have storm pole attachments on the front ribs.
LINKY POO™ https://daiwasports.co.uk/product/23-daiwa-mission-brolly
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In reply to Post #105
How long is it when folded?
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In reply to Post #105
Cool cheers
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In reply to Post #103
Whats the offical weight of the daiwa? I cant find it
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Daiwa mission half the price, better coverage and slightly lighter plus 4 back ribs touch the ground.
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Yac still had some earlier
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In reply to Post #95
Message Dave Ellyatt on Instagram. He'll tell you when the next batch of 58" brolly's are due.
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In reply to Post #99
You're absolutely right, the positives of a smaller brolly outweighs the negatives, such as getting in tight swims.
However, to avoid getting too wet if the rain starts here's a few tricks I use.
Drop the brolly very low.
Use a waterproof bed chair cover that covers your whole bed and almost touches the floor.
Use your unhooking mat as a storm side.
Use a water tub and buckets as the other storm side.
Use a barrow as a storm side.
It's usually preventing mud splash which is the hardest.
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In reply to Post #96
I’ve got a 52 and have posted on this on other threads, it’s a small brolly designed for smaller bedchairs, the spec they advise in their advert is pretty spot on. I’ve done a night on my Oval MF HDR and it just fitted, but that was more down to the shape. My other 6 leg RLX fits under lovely as it’s a shorter narrower bed, but front coverage will never be great on such a small brolly.
I can remember doing a few seasons under an aqua 50 back in the day and unless the wind was behind me, I’d generally get wet. I just put up with it as I liked the small footprint and squeezing into the swims that others wouldn’t bother with.
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In reply to Post #96
I'm in the same boat but ive got the wide version, my mate says it will fit but im dubious.
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In reply to Post #96
Hi there,
I’ve got the QD 52” and use it with an old Trakker Levelite compact bedchair, it’s 1.9m long and fits in with a smidge to spare.
The reality is it’s a brolly, you don’t have the same level of cover as a bivvy but that’s the trade of for it being small, light, portable.
I don’t see a goretex bag cover and it’s spot on, love it.
Tel
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I’m toying with the idea of getting one, I have a solar cp-tech mk2 standard. I’ve seen tommys tackle post videos in a 52’ and it fits albeit tight but it’s raised very high. Anyone used this combo and know if you can drop it lower for a bit more cover?
I would prefer the 58’ but by the looks of out of stock everywhere and won’t be back for a good while
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I’m toying with the idea of getting one, I have a solar cp-tech mk2 standard. I’ve seen tommys tackle post videos in a 52’ and it fits albeit tight but it’s raised very high. Anyone used this combo and know if you can drop it lower for a bit more cover?
I would prefer the 58’ but by the looks of out of stock everywhere and won’t be back for a good while
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In reply to Post #93
Really surprised by the head height given it's a taller bed too, that's my main concern having bought a flatliner and being just over 6', sounds good 
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In reply to Post #92
I ended up buying one on Friday and doing a night at weekend using my sp c tech (older version) and there was plenty of head height, not an awful lot of coverage at the front buty hey its a brolly so I wasnt expecting much and I have seen a few companies make the sides for them but that defeats the object in my view (light and mobile)
I hear there will be a wrap of sort at some point in the future.
I also brought the custom jag lightweight storm poles and I already had the titanium pegs, stripped back the gs, original pegs and storm poles and the whole thing is a tad over 3 kilos
So far so good
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In reply to Post #90
I've the same bed, it will be tight because of the legs length but probably ok. I am hopefully looking at getting one soon, so can report back.
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In reply to Post #88
Hello mate,
I had a look at a 58 yesterday at the big one, and I didn't know but there are three eyelets each side, and you can extend higher than the spec.
I am 6.6ft and getting inside it yesterday I would be ok.
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Any one using the 58 with a solar sp c tech bed?
Im assuming theres enough room?
Im 6"3 so also need the height
Thanks in advance
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In reply to Post #88
Saw something online from ESP that states the height of the 58" is 130cm.
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In reply to Post #87
thanks , even the 58 which seems considerably higher ?
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In reply to Post #86
From all the photos I saw they looked low and stealth.
Lovely if you're around average height of shorter, but I am 6ft 6 and not a chance from i can tell.
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In reply to Post #76
Hi , anyone know the headroom on the 58 ? I’m 6 ft 4 so may be too low?
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In reply to Post #84
Obviously only having two ribs on the floor make the shelter a lot lighter and more compact/ shorter. Probably the reason it comes with four storm poles to help with stability. Tieing up with the rest of the quick draw range.
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I saw a picture of one of the new esp brollies and surprised they didnt have four ribs on the floor for a bit of extra stability.
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When using a brolly I use lightweight carbon storm poles from Nero Angling to keep the weight down and guy ropes. You can make a brolly absolutely rock solid with a few guy ropes and the Jag screw in pegs. I only use 2 short storm poles on the outer ribs and use guy ropes on the 2 central ribs at the front. This keeps the front solid even when the wind gets up.
You can get reflective guy lines if you have a habit of tripping over them but I prefer the camo versions in case you get anyone creeping around in the dark.
A lightweight bedchair cover can also help if the rain does get a bit horizontal.
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Thanks both that's really helpful.
A quick measure my bed chair is around 90cm so I'll stick with my Fox it has plenty of life left just feels a lot heavier than what they advertise it as.
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In reply to Post #78
I have a 52, bought for days originally but ive done a few nights under it.
Have got my Trakker MF HDR oval under it, touches either end at 215cm long but the shape helped it squeeze back. A normal shaped bedchair at that width (max 85cm) would get wet.
Aldo have an RLX 6 leg which fits under better as its 200cm long and only 74cm wide.
It is a brolly at the end of the day, they aren't as sturdy as tempests. I spent many years under original aqua 50" and 60" brollies, and they were sturdier with the 4 back ribs touching the ground, but they didn't have the nice pack down size or such a good space saver frame.
If you are set up right and not expecting to stay dry with a wind in your face, they will keep you dry within reason, although when it really rains you then get the splashing coming up off the ground due to the limited front cover.
I like it, it will probably be my go to shelter for the later spring and summer, but whilst the weather is rubbish, it will be my tempest brolly.
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In reply to Post #75
It's the 58 inch. The bed is the Fox R Series which is approximately 210cm.
@0nslow - your bed is 11cm wider than mine, so I very much doubt it will fit well under the smaller brolly.
I have ordered some lightweight storm poles but that's more to have a single set to use for the brolly and the Frontier Lite (which I use for longer trips) as opposed to the supplied ones being bad - they've done the job so far.
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I've got a Fox 60" brolly (current model) and it's heavy but the coverage is excellent with space for a solar dura sore wide bed chair on over nighters and tons of room on days with me a bag and a solar sofa chair under it.
Anyone know how the 52" would be for coverage in both those situations? Would a Solar bed chair fit lengthways and how about with a day chair under it?
Ta
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In reply to Post #76
I have had mine a month now and my advice is to swap out all the poles for something else. I have changed mine to Fox Powerpoint storm poles and also using the Jag bivvy pegs. It feels way more rigid now.
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In reply to Post #74
Looks spot on, I particularly like the pack down sizes, but also interested in what size you have, I'm guessing it's the 58 as it appears quite spacious with a reasonable headroom.
Thanks for the photos.
Cheers
Tel
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In reply to Post #74
Looks good mate, is that the 52 or the 58?
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In reply to Post #73
I have done about 15 nights under mine since I got it. Pegs are sh*t, otherwise it's spot on and an absolute treat to carry / put up / take down.
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Hi all,
Any actual user reviews for either of these that have been out in the wind & rain? Goo/bad points?
Just looking for something to use on quick overnighters, anything more than a night or two I use my trusty TB Longtop👍👍
Cheers
Tel
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Just a heads up for the Quickdraw brolly users out there. ESP are working on a weather front for the brolly. Scheduled for release in 26.
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I would have bought a scope brolly had they come out first, the old recon was absolutely spot on, I've still got two! But the 52 quickdraw beat nashy to it...
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In reply to Post #69
Probably taken all the business away from Nash with there scope brollie. Cause all there having problems gettingt into the country.. Nashy lose, ESP gain.. 
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In reply to Post #67
ESP rep,what they ordered into the uk should of been enough take them until Christmas.The sales have been that strong the stock ESP had is now all gone to retailers,he said will be 5 months until they get fresh stock
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In reply to Post #66
And the cynic in me says which will get here quicker, ESPs next batch, or the copies for a fraction of the price!
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In reply to Post #66
This information came from?
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I would hurry up if anyone wants one of these,once this shipment has sold its going be 5 months until back in stock.
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In reply to Post #62
I'd be surprised if they didn't. They done a front for the Lo pro. I'd imagine it would be a case of clipping one to the same loops they use for the Mozu mesh.. or if youcant wait. I'm sure someone like Army Andy would be able to make you one..
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In reply to Post #59
How do these pegs not simply pull through the eyelets on the bivvy/brolly? That flange looks very slim... Cheers.
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In reply to Post #56
I might grab one of these in 58", i only do overnighters but need something with a front to some degree to stop the dog wondering off!
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Been looking at these they look brilliant,I wonder if they will do a different front for it at some point
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In reply to Post #60
I also went for the 52, not been out with it on the bank yet but chucked it up in garden, looks spot on for my needs, and light/compact pack down
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In reply to Post #58
Yes, I went for the 52. Never had anything except brollys, and this seems to fit the bill perfectly. Also never owned a mozzy mesh, but will definitely be using it. Don't know if I'll bother lugging round all four storm poles.
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In reply to Post #55
Great information. Thanks 🙏🏼
For non bivvy pegs I've found the Easton Nano Stakes 9 inch at 15g each to be super solid.
I tend to use the Jag Xcavator pegs (32g) at the major corners and the Easton pegs as intermediates.
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Has anyone actually got one yet?
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In reply to Post #56
Invicta angling
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Are these available to pre order anywhere?
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Best I have done for overnights and keeping the weight down is the korum progress shelter at 2.1 kg coupled with 2 x dymag poles. Shorter ones to go at the sides as below.
It's ok with my compact bedchair for a night.
Pegs I use titanium ones at 11 grams each. Not as solid as bivvy pegs but they do the job.
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I've managed to get my kit down to "ultralight" weight levels so I've experimented with lots of weight saving measures.
If using a brolly like this that may not be as rigid as some shelter's, here's some things that may be helpful:
1. I only use 2 short storm poles at the sides of the brolly. I suggest using storm poles with auger points as they offer great rigidity.
2. On the front of the brolly instead of long storm poles I use 2 lightweight nylon guy lines. I attach these to the storm pole attachment points. If you want to avoid tripping over them in the dark, angle them slightly sideways or purchase nylon that has reflective thread built in.
3. I also use the Jag Xcavator pegs (only 32g each). Yes they're expensive but I'm happy to pay for the development work that goes in to these kinds of products and to support UK jobs.
4. This brolly only has 2 ribs which touch the floor at the rear, however it has an eyelet on the bell cap so you can add a twin guy line at the rear.
Hope some of this helps?
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In reply to Post #52
Ah I see now, 52 or 58 vs 68, that is quite a difference.
Thanks!
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In reply to Post #51
If your looking for pack down size. I'd be choosing the new quickdraw brollies. If your looking for weight saving it would be the Lo pro.
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Do you guys see reason to pick one of these new brollies over a lo pro mk2?
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Video up on ESP's YouTube page. They do look good. Shame I've just bought myself another brolly only recently.
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In reply to Post #46
no problem mate.
To be completely transparent, I havent actually used the mesh yet so wouldnt really like comment at the moment.
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In reply to Post #44
I guess with it being only 2 ribs on the ground at the back (like the old Nash profile), it keeps the whole thing more compact & lighter, the trade off being less stability in wind. Not that that should matter if pegged with poles.
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In reply to Post #35
Hello Tim. Appreciate the photos. How do you find the mosquito mesh arrangement?
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In reply to Post #41
That's ridiculously light has to be the lightest on the market now?
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In reply to Post #42
It'll also be made out of a fabric with a stupid pattern all over it.
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In reply to Post #32
The new scope recon rucksacks are 170, so i reckon you can get 2 esp for one new scope brolly when its out.
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The text on ESP facebook:
NEW!! ESP QUICKDRAW BROLLY & MOZZY DRAPE 52 & 58!!
In shops from late July!!
🎥 Film next week
RRP (including Mozzy Drape) 52 189.95, 58 199.95
The new Quickdraw brollys are quick to set up & provide ample coverage for bedchair & kit while providing excellent visibility for observing the water.
They are available in two sizes 52 & 58 & include:
✅Unique design Mozzy Drape
✅Mini detachable groundsheet
✅4 lightweight storm poles
✅8 T' pegs
✅Outer bag, roomy enough to make packing away easy
The brolly's feature a dark olive green 210d cover with 5,000mm hydrostatic head. The inner surface has a lightproof laminate. The frame is made from strong & sturdy 8.5mm fibreglass ribs & features a space saver locking mechanism to maximise headroom even when the brolly is set low.
Three pegging points on the storm sides allow for height adjustment.
5️⃣2️⃣ The 52 brolly is aimed at the angler who prefers a compact shelter & accommodates bedchairs up to 2m in length. Although diminutive, this brolly still provides excellent coverage with plenty of room in front of the bedchair when it is pushed to the back of the brolly.
🦟⛔️The Mozzy Drape is of a unique design. It attaches to the front of the brolly using toggles & is then pegged at each side. The elastic cord running the length of the mesh can be tightened so it is a snug fit around the brolly & the fine mesh simply hangs down with the aid of small weights located around the bottom edge. The drape provides protection from biting insects but is easy to enter & exit simply by lifting the mesh & then dropping it down behind you. This means that there are no zips or magnets that remain open after a hasty exit, so no mozzy's can simply fly inside the brolly. The Drapes both weigh under 1kg & are supplied in a handy draw string bag.
5️⃣8️⃣ The 58 brolly is 12wider than the 52 with longer front ribs allowing for longer and wider bedchairs to be easily accommodated. Just like the 52 it is supplied with a Mozzy Drape, mini groundsheet, 4 storm poles, 8 pegs & the outer bag
52 total weight (brolly, mozzy drape, mini groundsheet, 4 storm poles, 8 pegs & outer bag) 5.0kg. Brolly on its own 3.70kg, Mozzy Drape 900g. Packdown length 52 (132cm)
58 total weight (brolly, mozzy drape, mini groundsheet, 4 storm poles, 8 pegs & outer bag) 5.3kg. Brolly on its own 3.90kg, Mozzy Drape 970g. Packdown length 58 (147cm)
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In reply to Post #33
Hello mate,
I've the Solar Sleep-tec, so it is on the slightly high side.
I just know from similar spec brollies there is not a chance of me sitting in a chair seeing anything. I dont mind a bit of floor sitting, but in winter its not the one.
A real shame as like everyone else in the thread, I'm happy to buy pretty much most things ESP do.
Cheers.
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In reply to Post #37
I know how you feel - it happens to me almost every time ESP releases a new product. Perhaps I should attend a meeting in Tackle Horders Anonymous.
And by the way those new brollies look good.
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Don't really need one but it'll be difficult not impulsively clicking confirm and pay at some point. It's inevitable
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In reply to Post #35
Blonde Tim, are you posh Tim, the panther? 
If so WhatsApp them over to me mate & I'll post them.
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In reply to Post #33
There are 3 pegging points, i now use mine on just the lowest setting.
Admittedly i'm only 5.9/5.10, but can it on my duralite bed straight up on the lowest setting, no hunching over at all.
I'll try and get some photos up if i have time or happy to Whats app them to someone more savvy
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In reply to Post #32
200 hundred notes for the 58 for four poles and the mesh. Ain't knocking the arse out of it, is it. Well in ESP.
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In reply to Post #31
Is your bed bespoke? If the chair fits your fit.. sitting might be a problem. Chair or mat on the floor seems like the only option.  
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Looks great, and a fair price. I wonder if the new scope brolly will be a sensible price now this is out.
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In reply to Post #29
Thank you for the link, looks lovely - I'm 6ft 6 so no chance I'll be getting one.
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In reply to Post #29
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/16oQ9U8rFm/
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In reply to Post #28
I can't find anything..
Please post a link.
Found this..
https://www.instagram.com/p/DL5Pum0ozzB/?igsh=MTd5MWRwc2dzdHE3Zg==
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ESP have released details of these new brollies on there social media feeds if interested.
Looks like the rebirth of the brolly as a shelter. I see Nash and Fox are bringing the brolly back to market as well. Can't beet fishing under a ribbed brolly. Trakker should be done under the trade description act for calling there shelters brolly with out a rib insight.
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In reply to Post #26
Foam and spare cover. Obviously had the deluxe model..
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In reply to Post #24
That's good I better go and get my foam and spare cover ready
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In reply to Post #14
Sorry, havent been on here much - no pics at the moment (will ask if thats ok).
I'll check weights but I use mine (58") just with two short poles, and then 4 pegs and feels very lightweight. I use it on the lowest settling and still gives loads of coverage for a 'normal' bedchair @(duralite in my case) with rucksack behind, cool bag by head and brew kit on a bucket next to me.
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In reply to Post #23
Will ESP be releasing an updated version of the old Argos sunlougers to go with this old school vibe do you know?
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This was a reply from Dave regarding the brollies from a brief exchange of messages this week.
Will be in shops from mid July. Total weight including mozzy mesh (which comes with it), 4 storm poles, mini groundsheet, 8 pegs and bag is 5kg.
Brolly on its own is 3.7kg (used ultra strong 8.5mm ribs which adds a bit of weight but makes it proper solid) and in most situations you only need 2 storm poles 👍
The 52 inch gives a nice old school
Vibe
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In reply to Post #20
Did anyone notice the little o rings on the two top ribs. I can only think it's a way of attaching a mozzi front. Looking forward to seeing one in the flesh.
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In reply to Post #20
Dave Ellyat ( ESP ) posted on his Instagram stories they dissappear after a while.. keep an eye on there Socials. No doubt a few more pics reels and stories will be posted in due course..
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Anyone fancy posting a screenshot? I don't have instagram
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In reply to Post #17
https://www.instagram.com/daveellyatt/
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In reply to Post #16
Just seen it looks a bit like the old school 50 inch Wavelocks with sown in sides.
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In reply to Post #16
Link please.. 🙂
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In reply to Post #15
Dave Elyatt put an image of the 52 on Instagram story
Looks lovely & yes does have sides
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In reply to Post #12
Thanks for that Tim.. I'm assuming they both have sides??
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In reply to Post #12
Can you not put a pic up or is that a no no atm??
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In reply to Post #12
Do you know how much they weigh and the pack down length?
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In reply to Post #1
I'm lucky enough to have one, so a few points that might help.
52&58 inch versions (I have the larger).
Smal up size is very compact. Only the back two ribs touch the ground so there aren't two longer poles sticking up on pack down. Doesn't seem to affect stability.
The grounds been too hard to get the storm rods in very far, so have just pegged the sides then brace the storm rods against that and it's been great. Last night in it was on the end of a SW setup front on, on a 60 acre pit.
Movie mesh is removable with quite a new attachment type.
Really lightweight and easy to erect (being a brolly obviously), even though the material is tick/laminated type.
Any questions happy to answer.
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In reply to Post #10
Ahh, I see
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In reply to Post #9
The picture they put out was just of the label, rather than the actual brolly
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In reply to Post #1
Have you seen pics of these?
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In reply to Post #5
I really like the magnetic one on my Aqua Ultralite. Works brilliantly.
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In reply to Post #5
I have to agree. I've been so disappointed with these on my Solar bivvy, great in theory but not in practice
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In reply to Post #5
Not had an issue myself, better than faffing with zips.
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In reply to Post #4
Them magnetic mozzi fronts are *****,unless you're on completely flat ground
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In reply to Post #3
Would be nice to see a quality brolly with a decent optional fitted mozzi mesh (ideally magnetic style), doesn't need vents or any of that malarkey.
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In reply to Post #2
Your right nothing says Carp fishing to me more than sitting under a brolly. Be interesting to see what they come up with.
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In reply to Post #1
I'm an all year brolly fan, and used scope brollys since day 1. I've got two recons and then one of the black ops with the folding ribs. It's good in concept but nowhere near as solid as a normal brolly, so hoping these aren't folding ribs. Be nice to see some new brollys on the market as everyone seems to be all about bivvys these days.
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I see from recent Socials that ESP are releasing two new brollies under the quickdraw banner. Any one privvy to the diffrence between these and the Lo Pro brolly. I'm thinking some sort of bi fold spoke system to reduce pack down size maybe??
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