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In reply to Post #101
Tell them for the inconvenience you want full cash value,it is not good what they have done.The problem is most tackle companies are having massive issues getting things into the UK,loads of delays on everything.The best thing they could do is give an immigrant a piece of tackle each,they'd soon get it over here then
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In reply to Post #100
I get what you’re saying but the cash alternative isn’t the full value of the prize itself. These things never are. And why would anyone run a comp to win something they don’t have? I mean they took peoples money nearly 2 months ago for this.
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In reply to Post #99
Ask for cash equivalent and buy it yourself from somewhere else,they may have their own supplier who cant get it
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What would you say is a fair amount of time from winning a prize to you actually receiving the prize??
I won a fairly large prize at the start of May and I’m still waiting for it now because it’s been out of stock. Not getting any updates unless I chase it and I’m wondering if I’m actually being too pushy or expecting too much??
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I have simple outlook on all gambling.
If I won a million quid on a single bet, then bet again and lost £500k I would be more pissed off at losing £500k than winning the £500k I won.
Now that’s just me. Ihave no interest in gambling. I have no problem with those that do, just not for me. I don’t have the genetic tendencies to be attracted to it for money, although I can be a risk taker in general life.
Now drinking more than you should , women, etc etc that’s fair game  
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Well it would seem Mark Pitchers comp site “capital carp comps” is a little strange shall we say!
I noticed that on the various big competitions with lots of prizes he does, that the percentage of tickets sold generally matches the same percentage of prizes won! I asked about the algorithm they use on the site and was told it’s totally random and simply the law of averages that it seems to match on so many comps! I said that’s rubbish as 100000 tickets v 1000 prizes simply wouldn’t do that time after time……..no further reply but was then banned from their comp page…… 
Strangely they now don’t show you how many prizes are won for each comp in a simple format like 100 / 1000 and the only way to see How many have been won is to sit there and add them all up from each prize that is listed…… 
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In reply to Post #89
1 of my grandads (god rest his sole) used to work at romford dog track,putting the dogs in the traps..was often offered a few quid to wipe mustard around a dogs backside to run faster 😆.Well that's what he told me 🤔.
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In reply to Post #83
Planet Rock comp is only ever won by people north of Watford so i stopped doing it.
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In reply to Post #93
.... I doubt they even gamble at all.... just take money off mugs for these "tips".
Most of them are affiliated with bookies anyway so get commission on any bets placed through their links.
Like has been said... if they were any good... they wouldnt need to sell tips, unless of course they are doing it to manipulate the odds so they can lay on the exchanges. With social media it cant be that difficult for them them to get alot of people backing a particular horse?
I remember when you used to get people in the car parks at race courses, trying to sell you a piece of paper with a number on it... saying it was a "inside info tip from the stables". People actually used to buy into/ fall for it (and still do).... now with social media and the internet.... its the same thing... but with an unlimited reach.
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In reply to Post #92
Too right. You're just funding their gambling, they're gambling with your money when they take money for bet advice. If the bet doesn't come off, you've lost the £50, not them.
It would be offensive to you or to anyone else if I was trying to sell you a loaf of smart price bread for £100 with a straight face
You obviously don't shop in my local deli........
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In reply to Post #82
Quote.... Your not following Moosh tips by any chance TC...LOL...??
No Tad
I don't listen to any advice or take any influence from any source whatsoever regarding horses. No ones opinion matters to me except my own regarding larges sums of cash. It's odds based. I followed the same mantra with carp bait and media my whole life since a young age, it's always stood me so well in fishing and what's now my career too. I'm not interested in what everyone else is doing, in anyway, any shape or form.
I recently got into a conversation with someone very well known in the carp industry who will remain nameless. He was paying said fella you mention (or someone very similar) £50 per month for a load of odds on shots, more than half of which were losing. I was so shocked how bad it was. It was absolutely horrific. People are being scammed left right and centre. I persuaded him to stop that instantly. He was being conned.
ANYONE who can make gambling pay whatsoever... They do not need to take £50 a month for information from you. Any intelligent person can work that out, right?
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In reply to Post #90
It's only offensive to me Wayne as I truly understand.
It would be offensive to you or to anyone else if I was trying to sell you a loaf of smart price bread for £100 with a straight face. It would be offensive, simply because you understand the concept of the true value of both things.
When people do not understand the 'value' whatsoever, it's far easier to lead people a certain way. That's all part of the illusion of gambling games.
If I found a way to circumnavigate seatbelt laws in cars, to make me an absolute fortune... But people are dying and being crippled for life so that i can make that money... Is that right? Of course it's not. It's shocking.
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In reply to Post #88
Apologies, I was taking about the reyo comps (kisstory, kiss etc)
It’s free to enter via phone or post…….the call is charged at standard rate from mobiles which is a free number……. 
The £100 free comps are like you say a tempter to spend more…….the one I won had spend a £1 on same order and win a 65 inch TV too…….which I didn’t do as I have more than enough TVs in my house…..
Easy money is to hard to ignore…….does make me laugh reading comments on the FB pages of these comps though as some people are so stupid they expect to win the cars when they have 199999 tickets up for grabs…….those odds make it extremely unlikely you will win but someone has too every time…… 
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In reply to Post #85
Quote.... I was on about 50 yrs ago when I was 7 yrs old and I gave out the wins to the old girls who played bingo in my aunts arcade in jaywick by ping ball balls,not by some electronic con..and mobile phone
50 years ago everything was straight up mate. People were being conned sure in gambling games, it's always gone on. But not on a scale like today.
The reason these fecks can all get away with what they do, is because we are all pre programmed that this stuff could not be happening to us. Because of 50 years ago likke you mentioned. Or 30 years ago. We are still far to trusting about the world we live in, due to past experiences. The past is long gone.
Since the internet, things changed. The computerisation of gambling is one of the biggest cons in the history of mankind.
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Ask yourself why these competition companies are offering all these massive prizes specifically in the run up to Christmas? Be that on radio, or online?
Because they are tapping into the need for families to have a better Christmas, that's why. The whole thing is run on pushing a better life to people who are not so well off. Through gambling.
"Look at my posh fishing van, do you want my posh van that you cannot afford? Pay me lots of money and I'll enter you into a draw where the odds of winning my van are 10 billion to one." "You need to trust me that everything is pukka, just look at my Teflon smile again".
There are SPECIFIC gambling laws and legislation to protect against gaming companies doing that. These companies are skirting these laws. Bookies can't show you a mega expensive carp set up in adverts, telling you if you pop inside and risk your months wages so you might be able to win that set up. Specific laws against it to protect vulnerable people. Laws which are being circumnavigated, for the hosts benefit. Not the benefit of any vulnerable people that it's chewing up and destroying along the way.
If you want to know why every sausage is now opening a competition company, this is why. Easy money.
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In reply to Post #84
Quote.... The call for these radio comps takes 1 minute and is free……..
£2 per text plus network charges. Online packages to enter start at £2. Enter as many times as you want. People can spend their entire giro on it, no one is checking.
"Be careful not to enter after the comp closes, as we will still take your money and you will still be charged".
Or maybe you are correct, and the goodwill fairies are printing the money in Santas grotto, just to give it away to you for free Wayne. The free £100 you won was advertising. An investment into turning you into a gambling addict. Once you get the taste for the win, they will get that £100 back ten thousand fold.
It's the same reason Bookmakers will double or treble your initial first time deposit as a new customer. Make you feel special. Get your heart pumping.
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In reply to Post #83
For sure Leroy, but if someone is giving away £500k and the listernership of Jazz FM is 500k it has to be across the network. And as Mark was saying, these comps are done by outside companies. They need to take in more than £500k to make it work.
Recently, Jazz FM were giving away huge sums and only their listnership were involved. I personally couldn't see how they did it.
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I was on about 50 yrs ago when I was 7 yrs old and I gave out the wins to the old girls who played bingo in my aunts arcade in jaywick by ping ball balls,not by some electronic con..and mobile phone
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In reply to Post #83
The call for these radio comps takes 1 minute and is free……..
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In reply to Post #78
Thing gets me with the radio competitions, ow they aren't always open about telling you the competition is actually across multiple radio stations. People think they are just phoning into Heart FM, putting you against the other listeners of Heart FM, but the reality is the competition is across the network, maybe 5 or 6 other stations full of listeners to contend with.
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Your not following Moosh tips by any chance TC...LOL...??
Regards Tad.
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In reply to Post #80
This is why I don't gamble, I couldn't see that. 2 choices, only one of them wins and its not 50/50 ?
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In reply to Post #79
Not 50:50, odds are now 33:67, against you.
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Andy Peters has a lot to answer for.
I'd have stuck with door 1, it's now 50/50 and why would the host have any interest in you winning 🤔
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In reply to Post #74
Quote... Very few people understand even the most simple odds.
The radio competitions I quoted before. If you ask the average man in the street what these competition's are about in the run up to Xmas, to a man they would all tell you it's the radio giving away Christmas free money. What they do not understand, is that was the good old days. It's not like that anymore.
To answer the question, so easy my dog could answer it.... You will be kept on the line for 4mins1sec, at £2.50-£5 per minute. They are raking in £500k, and giving away £50k.
The man in the street truly imagines this is Christmas goodwill from the radio station. Members of my own family included. A competition company runs the game, not the radio. It's not done for goodwill.
We are 100% becoming less intelligent as a species.
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In reply to Post #74
I'd switch and pick 3 🤣
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In reply to Post #75
Yup, nothing stopping anyone starting one. FB is flooded with them, obviously not just fishing gear.
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In reply to Post #73
Quote.... There was a local one on fb I used to dabble on now and again.
It's happening on a simply massive scale clearly.
Everyone is now opening up a competition site it would seem.
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Very few people understand even the most simple odds. Take the following question, if the answer isn’t obvious to you then you shouldn’t be gambling unless you get enough joy from it to make losing your stake worth the cost:
Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?
Answer
FWIW I don’t gamble because I can’t begin to understand odds at the speed that I’d need to for me not to be “the sucker at the table”
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In reply to Post #67
There was a local one on fb I used to dabble on now and again. The reason was because it didnt have a massive following. I would wait for the midweek draws (not as popular) wait until the very end of the deadline and see how many tickets had been sold and work out the odds, if i fancied it i'd have a go. These draws where done live on fb, using google random number generator, showing the date and time etc. The bigger raffles with these big companies.... ive no idea how they draw them? These bigger companies that do them... the odds are rediculous and not worth it imo
Fully agree with what youve said previously here.... these raffles need regulating... its alright saying "people should have self control" but i genuinly dont think that some people fully understand odds. They see others winning and think they must win. Then before they know it they are regularly pumping cash into these, more and more. And its usually by those who cant afford to. Like has been said, its the vounerable that need protection and right now there seems to be no regulation.... nothing like bookies anyway.
To add... ive actually seen winners announced.... and them poppi g up on fb and saying, oh what have i won? What is it? They literally had no idea what they was buying tickets for... they just wanted to win something
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In reply to Post #71
Of course. But that's why there are regulations, legislation, that protect people like my aunt from being bombarded with emails and texts. Legislation that protects how much they are fleeced for. It's gambling, without the rules to protect vulnerable people.
You completely ignored this above Stark?
Why the need to circumnavigate gambling laws? That in itself is not right. It's quite simple. It's allowing competition sites to bombard vulnerable customers with emails and texts. Other forms of gambling are not allowed to do this.
Could you point out where I said it was a scam? I gave examples of what happens in other forms of regulated gambling from previous knowledge and pointed out the horrific odds. This is unregulated gambling, under the guise of a raffle, right? That's where the question of dubiousness comes in.
To administer any form of gambling in the UK, you need a gaming licence. You need a fit and proper persons check. A far more detailed check the higher you go with it. These competitions are clearly skirting that. Any sod can start one up. That in itself is a big problem when large sums of cash are involved I'd have thought?
I understand enough Stark. Just not not how the competitions are decided.
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In reply to Post #67
So you have zero clue about how they’re run but you call them a scam?
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Thank you both.
I am certainly not questioning any of the current carp related comps. I am sure they are totally legit. It would seem there is big money to be made anyway. The problems come when others open up a competition company, with bad intentions. That is what happens when large amounts of money are involved, an easy scam, unregulated too. A car crash waiting to happen.
Even if you know absolutely zero about anything spoken about in this thread. You understand human greed, and peoples capacity to do anything whatsoever when large sums of cash are involved.
I'd trust no one when it comes to large sums of cash. Human nature has a way of it normally always ending up the same way somewhere down the line.
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List of entrants all allocated a number. Online random number generator
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In reply to Post #67
Some are automated draws and some of the big prizes are drawn live on Facebook for the ones I've seen.
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I'm pretty bored today. Women are all out shopping, it's so hot here at mo, can't venture outside between midday and 14:00. I'm indoors with the air con on full blast.
Can someone help me as to how these comps are actually decided? I saw just before Xmas a fishing one advertising a £100K cash prize. The national lottery, it was all done on live TV, under strict regulation. How is it decided, who actually wins the prizes, the £100k cash and the like in these online comps? I'm genuinely interested and have zero clue whatsoever.
£100k is chunky money.
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In reply to Post #65
Of course. But that's why there are regulations, legislation, that protect people like my aunt from being bombarded with emails and texts. Legislation that protects how much they are fleeced for. It's gambling, without the rules to protect vulnerable people.
There's a specific reason these competitions are run as raffles with a question first, to avoid legislation that is imposed on all forms of gambling. It's the same with the comps on the radio for big money. £2.50 per minute phone calls. Run as a raffle, ask a dopey question. Avoids gambling legislation and rules. Big money to be made.
That's the BIG difference. That's the BIG problem with what you are defending.
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In reply to Post #64
Pretty sure you could say the same thing for any form of gambling.
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In reply to Post #63
Sorry my fault, that comment was not directed at you. It was directed at people who spend lots of money on these competitions. They are pushed at people on low incomes, who want the luxury lifestyle they cannot afford.
Like I mentioned earlier, I have an aunt who is absolutely addicted to a non angling version of the same thing. She's spending up to £25 a day that she cannot afford too. It's become a big talking point in our large extended family.
That's what people do not see. She has become fixated by them. It's sad. She has no use for the prizes. She's at the end of her life and bedridden. She's addicted to the gamble bless her. There will be many many more like my aunt. These competition sites are the new big thing, not just in fishing.
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In reply to Post #61
No mate I don't believe in goodwill fairies, my money stays in my pocket.
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In reply to Post #61
Fascinating stuff Mark. You are good at translating the complex in a manner that can be understood.
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In reply to Post #60
I only became a 'gambler', as I understand the game. What I'm doing is not even gambling. I play the bookies at their own game. Reverse what they do, back onto them. That's all.
I've tried to explain some of that game, just so people understand, that there is a world that they do not understand when it comes to online games for cash. The online poker sites are all rigged at lower stakes. Computer programs, that churn out constant results that defy statistical logic for those that understand. But that absolutely maximise profit for the owners of the computer model. By a high turnover of players paying into new games constantly. That's how they make their money. Russian programmes, on Russian owned sites.
The computerisation of gambling on the internet allows for untold wrong doing that was never possible previously.
The FOBT's I spoke about were computerised, but just before the internet. The damage was seen on our high streets of what these computer programs could do to normally sane people. Turn them into absolute lunatics. It was lucky the internet had never been invented yet, or they would have gone straight online and no one would still be the wiser. What do you think the people who came up with those machines are all up to now? On the internet, away from prying eyes in the main? Those computer programmes will still be running. Just in online casinos, away from prying eyes. Fifteen years on the tech will be far greater too.
Be super careful when playing any comps or monetary gambling when a computer program runs the show. A computer program can be set anyhow the owner decides, at any time too. To an outcome of their choice.
If you chose to believe that goodwill fairies run the gambling on the internet. That's up to you.
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In reply to Post #59
Fascinating stuff mate.Most of it went completely over my head as I'm not a gambler but very interesting all the same.
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In reply to Post #51
Quote.... Except they’re not scams. A lot of the cheaper raffles are high odds but that doesn’t make them a scam and no one is forcing anyone to enter them.
You sound like you might have a vested interest Stark. If you do, I'm sure you run a straight game. I'm sure Mark Pitchers etc run a straight game. But don't try to claim that everyone starting up these comp sites does as well. You have simply no clue. Human nature dictates, when there is a chance to rip off fellow man, some one always will.
Legislation will come rapidly for these comp sites that they have so far avoided. That's what happens. That's called life. In the same way someone is always looking to scam their fellow man for money. That's also called life.
I could set up a comp business tomorrow. Pay out the first couple of hundred punters to get a good name... Then make sure my mates win the big prizes and rip everyone off until I'm caught.
Anyway, I have a loaf of bread here. Who wants to buy it for £100?
It's not a scam at all, the percentage is just terrible. No one is forcing anyone to buy it. But if I can convince some stupid people to buy this Asda smart price bread for £100 with a Teflon smile.
Thats's their fault right?
We (carpfishing) should be welcoming newcomers to the pastime. Not ripping them off for instant financial gain. Who does that help in the long run?
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Lets try to communicate this in a way people understand more simply.
On a roulette wheel in a casino, there are 36 numbers, and 0.
Payout on a single number, is 35-1. Good odds right? It's all an illusion. The 0 is the important factor. 0 plays for the casino. Red and black? To the unassuming everyday punter, this is an EVEN money shot, right? Red or black. You have an even money chance of hitting? WRONG.
0 is for the casino. 0 is all bets void red or black.
This small advantage for the casino in odds, is absolutely massive. It dictates, that you will always lose eventually. You may be lucky, you may have a small run of luck. But in the end... You will lose. Statistics prove that. But the illusion for average Joe, is that it's even money. Average Joe is wrong.
Now imagine putting 36 numbers on the roulette board again, but this time putting 105 zeros on the board. Now play red & black again. That's what you are doing when you play these comps. Pure stupidity. But you can't see it. But the illusion is that you are in with a great chance. Look at all the 0's on the board, then think again.
To take the money from the punter, there always needs to be an 'illusion'. The computerisation of gambling is one of the greatest cons in the history of mankind. In the wild west these people would be shot in the face as thieves. The internet allows a viel of respectability. The fact remains, it's just people preying on vulnerable people. It's always gone on since the dawn of time. It always will.
In a casino there are skilled punters that would read the digital boards at the end of the tables. Looking for weak dealers who spin to repetitive parts of the wheel. Most staff in casinos are extremely pretty young women. There to make you feel good about losing your money. But they will get repetitions in their spins. A skilled punter will watch for this, walk up and place a large bet on that entire section of the wheel knowing she is going to drop the ball there. On a roulette wheel, the croupier has to spin the wheel one way, the ball must go the other. At least three revolutions of the wheel, at least three revolutions of the ball the opposite way. This is to keep things kosher. I was one of the people downstairs waiting to get the money back from punters like the one detailed above. I could spin the ball into the same number, three times on the trot by design. If you have seen the film Rainman, where Dustin Hoffman is autistic, and uses this as a card counter to cheat. Tom Cruise uses him to beat blackjack in a casino. Counting cards. Dustin Hoffman's character is counting through six decks of 52 cards in the film. A standard shoe. I can count cards forever. Through an infinite number of decks of cards. You could take 150 decks of cards, mix them up, go through them at speed one at a time onto the table. With 25 cards left of of the 150 decks, i will tell you exactly how many A, K, Q, J, 10's there are left in the remaining cards. Or how many specific cards under 7 are left. A massive statistical edge for gambling. All is not always as it seems. Casino companies train their elite staff to cheat, far better than any cheat ever could. This is to spot the cheats, or to beat the cheats at their own game when millions of pounds are involved.
The computerisation of gambling, computer programs... This stepped things up to an entire other level than what the human brain can ever be trained to do.
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In reply to Post #56
Quote.... Bingo also pushes the social aspect…..
It does, it creates something good for the money they take from the market. Bookmakers claim the same about betting shops, but are not allowed to take 200% out of the market.
The lottery was the first legalised gambling, where the odds are so shocking that it's not real. A tax on the stupid as someone else said. They managed this, in the name of charidy. Good causes. Some of the money goes to charidy. It's a legalised con, but it's okay as it supports good causes.....
Now move forwards to these comps. They use the raffle system, to escape legislation designed to protect stupid people.
If that does not set alarm bells ringing, then nothing will.
The FOBT's (Fixed Odds Betting Terminals) were a disgrace. They were quietly banned and removed from our high streets.... But there was never any big hoo haa as to why they were banned. If you remember, it became a regular sight to see crazed men smashing up these FOBT's and the bookmakers shops in which they sat. It became a serious problem. What was triggering them to start smashing everything up? Absolutely losing the plot.
I'll answer your PM here Teddybare. I've got nothing hide, or to prove to you. Of course they have all that you say in your PM. I'm sure you're a feared man to the bookies. The difference between me and you is quite simply his. I have always held a UK gaming licence. I have been trained to the ninth degree in mathematics. I’ve never been able to place a bet with any online betting company in my own name. Not ever. It's actually illegal for me to walk into a UK casino. If I tried, facial recognition would pull me out instantly. I held a UK gaming licence before the internet was ever invented. That holds specific details about my level of training, my skills, who I worked for etc. It tells casinos or gaming companies that I am far from a victim for them. It also tells them that I am far more skilled than any of their traders, at their own job of forming markets.
The real people I used to get around this are all family members. So yes, it was was easy for them to find out who I was. I've played this game for years. Once they found out who I was, I am more valuable to them, than the amount of money which they let me win quite simply. That arrangement could end at any moment. As I pointed out in my initial post, they knew a long time before I knew. They only contacted me when I started to open up more accounts. They had known for a good while already. There are many people on this forum, who witness all this first hand on an ongoing basis. 9 out of 10 horses I point out, half in price by off time. That in itself is a licence to print money on a back to lay system in itself. Val Dancer I pointed out as a recent example, was backed off the boards by traders from the UK's largest bookmakers on the exchanges at the last moment. It was them who forced the price down. 2024 was a great year for me, because of this agreement. It was undoubtably a great year for them too, with information gleaned from me. The fact that what I do, is all 24 hours before the actual race.... Give's them plenty of time to lay off my money, and use the information themselves. I am nothing in comparison to them in money terms. But I bring them benefits that make them a lot of money. What I get from them, is still a pittance compared to what they get from me in terms of value of information for them. All of the larger bookies use winning punters to tell them when they make a mistake in their markets. Bookmakers all price up races the afternoon before the race. So many races/events daily. They have to make the odds for them all. They make bad mistakes. They will lay me up to a couple of grand to win on a horse at 12-1, whose real price is more like 7-1. That information then instantly see’s them fix their mistake. They will then back that horse on the exchanges as well for the company, if enough of their winning punters are on the same horse. Luck comes and goes. Value is constant and always beats luck. The reason the bookies always win in the long run is because they have the value in their markets with their over round. Until they make mistakes. I only bet when they make a mistake. When the odds are in my favour, not theirs.
Before the internet, I was offered a traders job at two of the biggest UK bookmakers, both via shops. I nearly took one of them.
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In reply to Post #46
Bingo also pushes the social aspect…..
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In reply to Post #54
It won’t…….also means I ain’t lost anything……
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In reply to Post #53
But it won't change your life, so 🤷
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In reply to Post #49
You could lose a few quid, you could lose hundreds……..you can also win!
Just so happens I won £100 on one of there free comps……..
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In reply to Post #48
Sent you a PM
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In reply to Post #49
Except they’re not scams. A lot of the cheaper raffles are high odds but that doesn’t make them a scam and no one is forcing anyone to enter them.
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In reply to Post #49
There are people who pay a monthly fee to find out what biscuits Leon Bartropp has been eating on the bank this week. Nothing can stop this monster.
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In reply to Post #35
That was a very interesting post Mark and an insight into a world about which I know very little.
It is time that these competitions were shown up for what they are and the anglers promoting them should also be shown for what they are. The business side of carp Fishing has a corporate face, but it is not preying on us. It is up to us whether we choose to spend our hard earned money on tackle and bait. These competitions, however, are almost the final piss take. Anglers promoting these scams know that the majority of us will lose, and they are simply doing it for their own personal financial benefits. They should be drummed out of our hobby.
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In reply to Post #42
Devon.
I've started traveling 3+ hours to fish last year, but trying to get your name down for syndicates in areas where you literally don't know anyone is borderline impossible. Especially when I don't want to make friends, I don't want to get to know all the locals to get in the clique, I just want to go fishing.
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In reply to Post #45
Must of missed them Mark 😢 next time tho 🫱🏻🫲🏽🙏🏽
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If you know how the game works in the first place, it's possible to beat some games. Since everything went online, the stuff I described in my first post regarding FOBT's, is far harder to regulate online. One of the scenario those machines would use, is the 'small win' at the start to draw you in. Make you feel special. Get your heart pumping for the game.
My mother and my aunt are addicted to Bingo. They love the social aspect. It winds me up as I know how crap the odds are. The bookies now all run the larger Bingo halls. Because it's so easy to rip off old ladies. Now it's all online too.
I wanted to prove to them, that via a computerised system that it's all a lil bit rigged. They would not believe me. They understood that the odds are terrible. But I wanted to actually show them that it's far more than just that. I explained to them about the 'win at the start to draw you in' scenario used in other forms of computerised gambling. I asked them both, when you join a new Bingo hall, a new company, I bet you win at first. Then once you are going more regular, you never win again. They both thought about it, and actually agreed with me. That is what happens. I got them to start travelling to new bingo halls further afield. They started winning, regular, as new customers. So if they can direct who is winning, who's to say who takes away the bigger prizes? My mum and my aunt still go to the bingo a decade later. I pay for it. It kills me, but they love it. I have another aunt addicted to these silly competitions, but for house hold products and luxury items. She is at the end of her life, and plays these stupid things daily. The prizes are all older products that you can pick up cheap online. They claim the original RRP, but it's all old junk in reality.
The same can be said for unregulated comp companies regarding 'who' wins the big prizes. There will be the good ones. But as it's life, and money, there will always be someone to rip everyone off. You have zero way of knowing who wins the prizes. The people controlling the game, they do. They control the program. You should think about that very hard, before playing any online games, or playing in comps. Stick to the most reputable if you want to play.
If you have older relatives who play Bingo. Tell them what you just read above. They can use the system to actually win money. They can make a tidy few quid by going and joining new bingo halls. They will always be really lucky the first few times they play and win money. Obviously you can only do that a certain number of times. But it works. It shows that all is not quite right too.
Knowledge is power.
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In reply to Post #36
Quote... Any Tips today mate?
I am quite certain you are on my Faceache Matthew.
There has been more than enough recently. Val Dancer, Welsh national, 14-1. What did it go off? 6-1? Four out of six over Xmas.
I had a lot of money on a horse at Sandown today, but it all got called off for frost. It must be proper cold. It was 37c here yesterday, schorcio 
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In reply to Post #43
Quite simple really, the names on the accounts are all real life people. Three of them are Brazilian. I spend half my life in Brazil now, I have a half Brazilian son. It was easy for them to link these accounts. They would have known for ages. The only reason they contacted me a year ago to let me know, that they know, was to ensure that no more accounts are opened. That’s rule number one, two, and three. Or it's game over. I have a limit for win singles on each account.
I had a similar arrangement with Laddies up until September 2023, when they took their ball back.
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In reply to Post #35
Using 11 different female names breaks their T&Cs, how are you proving your ID?
I too used to move odds with anti post betting back in the day. Haven't been able to put a bet on online now with any UK bookie for years 👍
You're right, if they let you have an account with no conditions you ain't very good at it.
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In reply to Post #41
Where abouts are you?
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In reply to Post #40
Maybe some people have it better, but round my way there is a massive fight to get tickets on waters, and even when you do get a ticket, you're competing with anglers to get a swim. I would love to just go fishing, but I really struggle.
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In reply to Post #38
Isn’t that just taking advantage of a business opportunity? That’s what all businesses do to be successful. You see a potential gap in the market and then exploit it…….
One thing I don’t get is when people say the sport is ruined and by the likes of these people??? Surely you go to a lake, get ya rods out, put bait on and fish……..no need to worry about what others do or are doing?
I have the odd dabble on these comps, 1 or 2 ticket on the car draws……..I know the odds are high and am comfortable spending a few quid for a chance of the win…….no different to when I buy a euromillions ticket when it’s £150 million jackpot!
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In reply to Post #38
Nothing to do with competitions but I've never understood when people say that certain celebrity anglers should be commended for promoting carp fishing.
I'd rather fish without the latest gear and without overcrowded lakes with like minded people who haven't been drawn into fishing because of the latest fad, gadgets, blogs, vlogs and egos promoted by those with names or wannabees
As for buying into these competitions I have nothing against them, I don't bother myself as I'm happy with the old gear that I use. Some of it so old that I get compliments from those that are into vintage stuff and disbelief from others who must have the latest 
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Remember when angling used to be about the love of the sport, untill the likes of Maddocks worked out how to make cash from it, then the likes of Kevin Nash worked out how to squeeze even more cash out of it, untill the next generation, like Mark Pitchers come along to squeeze every last penny penny out he can.
And these people are lorded by anglers everywhere, these people have actively destroyed the hobby we love, for their own personal greed
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In reply to Post #35
Err, lend us a tenner and I'll buy you a drink.
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In reply to Post #35
Any Tips today mate? 😁
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I’m a professional gambler. I’m on holiday, the only reason I’m bothering to write all this out is because I find it quite offensive personally.
As an intelligent human being, you should nothing to do with these comps. For one simple reason. You are being mugged off. Everything in life has a price. Life is a market place. If you choose to buy your bread for £10, instead of £1, you are an idiot. If you chose to play a game, where the odds are so stacked in the favour of the person directing the game, then you are also an idiot. This has gone on since the dawn of time in one form or another. They say prostitution is the oldest profession, bull****, rigged gambling games are just as old.
You lot know me as someone who makes bait. The traders at the single biggest online bookmakers in the UK know me by eleven different female names. I am described by them as their most influential horse race market punter in the UK. If you have a betting account, which you are allowed to bet from…. You should close it and stop gambling. You are a mug, a victim to them. It’s the only way they will allow you to continue. You do not even need to win money with them. Simply beating SP on a regular basis would see your account closed or restricted. Successful gambling has nothing to do with information about the horse, or the match. It is about value. Everything has its price In life. If you are betting at a plus EV price, you will succeed at life, no matter what you do. The odds on these competitions are nearly as criminal as the lottery. For those of you who have no clue what I’m referring to I will try to explain simply. If you have a fiver on a horse on a Saturday, the bookmakers will be betting to an over round, that’s their percentage of the book. If that is 107%, 7% of the market is in favour of the book makers. This is massive. It ensures, that in the long run the bookies never lose. The odds are in their favour. (Unless you only bet their mistakes). The only reason these people allow me to take large amounts of cash from them is under strict rules which suit them. They let me win an amount that suits me, because the information about their mistakes in their markets makes them millions on a national scale.
Someone mentioned bingo. The poor old ladies get ripped off. The over round will be 200% +. The host will be taking a massive percentage of the market. Ripping off old ladies.
Both of these examples are regulated by the gambling commission. That’s the only reason the odds are this favourable. As someone already mentioned these comps are run as raffles to get around this. The over round is so stupidly high. No one regulates it, only the people earning all the money.
I was taught my craft in west end casinos thirty years ago regarding markets and gambling by the very best. Even back then certain analytical mental traits were sort by them when training staff. The FOBT machines that later appeared in bookmakers across the land started life in casinos back then. Super fruit machines. These eventually got banned nationwide. They were the first gambling tools that had mind triggering data written into the actual programming. Designed to prey on weak minds. Specific scenarios to trigger gamblers. You lot should be very careful when playing any online games that involve money. There is a world that you don’t understand. Where very clever people have the sole intention of removing the money from your pocket. They don’t care if you lose your missus, your entire family and worldly possessions. Whatever they say, if that happens they get rich. That is not happening with these comps, but they are gambling at the most terrible odds.
If you want to have a bit of fun, stick a fiver on a horse on a Saturday, or a tenner on the first goalscorer on your favourite team. If you want a power barrow, save up for one. If you know nothing about odds, steer clear of any form of gambling. These comps are gambling, with the most horrific odds imaginable.
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Whatever happened to self-control and responsibility ?
Choices have consequences, choose wisely.
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In reply to Post #32
It's not a ridiculous arguement at all. If you can't self regulate, that's your issue. Nobody is pushing anything onto anyone. Nobody is instantly addicted. They were just a few examples of things. Everyone has a "vice" of some description. And every one of them makes money for someone somewhere. There is a huge difference between things that are physically addictive and mentally addictive too. I know as I've experienced both.
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In reply to Post #30
what a ridiculous argument.
accepted by the masses because they get addicted to them.
if any of the things you listed aren't that bad then why are they so many rules in place around the promotion/consumption of them? they ban advertising these things to people for no reason at all? the only reason those things are legal are because of the amount of money made from them due to them being..... addictive!
unfortunately not everyone is wired the same & thinking that making choices & decisions is the same for everyone in the world is severely ignorant.
ask any recovering addict if they chose to become addicted & planned to from the beginning. not one will say yes & most will tell you they regret the original decisions they made, no matter how good it made them feel at the time.
it's a choice until it isn't a choice.
(recovering addict)
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In reply to Post #30
I love all those things 👍
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In reply to Post #28
Many things are an addiction though. Alcohol, nicotine,junk food, even angling .all perfectly legal and accepted by the masses. So like anything,it's anyone's own choice. It's not sad to say "your choice" at all
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All our nans loved a game of bingo bitd..
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I once heard the lottery described as a tax on the gullible & these raffles remind me of this.
I think they are very sad & like all gambling, they prey on peoples desires, regardless of whether it is good or bad & all the time making the people that run them richer & richer. You never see a poor bookmaker...
the comments about "your choice" etc are very sad too. gambling is an addiction to some - a sickness / illness that rules your life & the way you behave, often at the expense of others around you. seen it happen too many times to some of the nicest people I have ever met - they become helpless & ruin their lives - from stock markets, horses, fruit machines & scratch cards.
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In reply to Post #24
Some shops are making good money supplying the raffle companies
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In reply to Post #25
That's why you have to answer a dopey question.
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They aren't a con in the sense that they're rigged, but I'm pretty sure they're designed as a raffle to get around all the regulations that normal betting companies have to abide by which is dodgy imo.
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In reply to Post #23
Imagine how better off the tackle shop industry would be if the money gambled on these comps was spent in the shops instead.
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In reply to Post #22
and a complete **** and **** dad is likely to be selfish enough to buy themselves a power porter anyway.
So winning one means more money for the rest of the family
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In reply to Post #20
Quite possibly and more fool them for being a complete **** and **** dad …….
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In reply to Post #16
Can't stand him
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In reply to Post #19
Most people are fine with it but a sizable minority aren’t and certainly won’t read the T&Cs!! I’m being extreme here but there will (genuinely will) be a few kids that have gone without att Xmas so that Dad can try to win a ****ing power porter!
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In reply to Post #18
If you read their sites T&C etc they have safe gambling advice, account restrictions like all the other gambling sites. You can choose to have email / txt communications on or off.
Like you it’s ok to have a flutter once in a while and make sure you only spend a couple of quid or what you can safely afford…….remember, no one forces anyone to buy tickets
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In reply to Post #16
Same. Im not entirely sure how these raffle companies get away with the constant emails and promotions.... if a betting company did that theyd be questions from the gambling commission. I have the odd bet on the footy, horses etc so not against a flutter. ive even had a go on these raffles, but in doing so i avoided the big companies and stuck to local raffles where the draw was done live with google random numbers. I'd also wait til the very last minute before doing so, to make sure i was happy with the odds. If the item was a sell out or silly odds id avoid it.
However, the amount they push via text and email is relentless to be honest... obvs ive unsubscribed from them now..... but i do think the gambling comission need to step in and look at these raffles and how they conduct themselves with regards to responsible gambling. There are many who can control it, but there are a small number who cant and these are who these commissions try to protect being exploited.
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In reply to Post #16
Same here I used to enjoy the challenge series but not watched any of the recent ones. I just can’t deal with people pushing gambling
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In reply to Post #13
That's pretty much how I feel about these things and the reason I can't bring myself to watch anything with Pitchers in it anymore.
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In reply to Post #1
Competitions and Underwater films are now the in-vogue things, because they've got **** all else to push on you these days.
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In reply to Post #13
People need to take responsibility for their actions, if they fail, that's just their tough ****.
I'm going back to the mayhem, HNY all.
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In reply to Post #12
Anyone associated with this should hang their heads in shame. They are literally hanging some of their fellow anglers out to dry. Gambling is a terrible addiction. The more you do it, the worse, the odds get. I’ve seen the damage that this type of garbage can do and it’s a ****ing disgrace.
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I m really anti these type of things - I bet on football occasionally- do the lottery and the grand national etc but these type of draws (not just fishing) are for me the worst form of luck based gambling and not even for a good cause.
They are based purely on envy and desire. The Omaze house and lifestyle ones make me so sad, that there are people who can’t afford to los money gambling on the lifestyle they have always wanted, and the companies offset this with a charitable donation.
I get it’s a bit of fun, but the marketing and addictive nature of them I don’t like. Recognise it for what it is - a very small chance to get lucky - no charitable intent, no investment back into the sport, just profit based gambling. If you wouldn’t go into a bookies and play the slot machine (because that’s dirty gambling) I worry for some folks on these type of things.
It will just be a phase, like many things that suit the times we live in.
I think I said on another thread, why not get all your mates, to whack £50 in the middle and draw a winner from the hat, you all have an equal chance and 100% of the money is the prize - most wouldn’t as it’s not a seductive as a house or Basia reels.
Righti off to put this weeks benefit payment on the 4-15 at Haydock
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In reply to Post #1
Its defo adictive gambling but a m8 of mine won a VW van in that capitol fishing one so made his day. Also a family member has won 1000 quid for air b and b and multiple other stuff on a similar one unrelated to fishing.
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In reply to Post #9
Got lucky on the capital carp competition page yesterday and won ND2 baitboat on an instant win took a cash alternative after emailing them asking for one £500 was paid into my bank today
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I've won on carpology and Capital Carp on the instant win
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In reply to Post #1
I won a free trip to gillhams on Christmas Day so I’mgoing to say they are very good
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I haven't done any of the carp comps but have on the PTM tool ones and won a few times but probably spent double than the amount I've won back.
My mate won £600 cash on the capital free entry comp so yes to answer the question they are legit but depends how lucky you are...I am not 🤣
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In reply to Post #1
They’re all legit but odds are quite high on most of the comps…….
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In reply to Post #4
Naughty
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In reply to Post #2
It’s just luck of the draw like with anything gambling
Unless you are using hormones?
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In reply to Post #1
It's just another form of gambling. Definitely not for me.
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In reply to Post #1
It’s just luck of the draw like with anything gambling . i’ve seen from the capital competition facebook page people win 2/3 of the RT7 baitboats at times their lucks just been in not that i would want an RT7 boat would rather have cash alternative. I’ve never won anything as yet but only put £5 or so on every so often on the instant wins section . i would just unsubscribe from the emails thankfully i never get any emails
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Hi All,
Are any of these companies any good or all a con? I signed up to Capital Carp Competitions and You win competitions and spent a tenner on each, won nothing as expected but now I seem to be getting daily emails from both of them so I'm getting a bit sick it now.
It's just glorified gambling at the end of the day... no idea what the odds are but for someone like me that may have a dabble every now and then I just think I may unsubscribe and see if I can close my account.
Any users here?
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