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In reply to Post #65
That’s interesting, which Ann Summers product is that, sounds like we need to stay clear of that one, you be careful mate 
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In reply to Post #62
Luckily it only seems it was one smaller batch of the SLK. Could have been a lot worse! We make it in 400 bottle batches now and have made quite a few batches of SLK since with no problems. Joys of production eh! 
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In reply to Post #63
I don't think you can 'pull the end off it' in Anne Summers anymore...
I bought a bottle yesterday. It's nowhere near as bad as previous... A slow release of pressure is needed though. There's a visible build-up of pressure, the bottle swells at the top collar. I fear the inside of my shed will be decorated like an old Mr Bean scene.
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In reply to Post #63
We've seen your van, it doesn't surprise us 
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In reply to Post #56
... but it did make a mess all over their display stand.
I had a similar, very embarrassing, moment in Ann Summers a few years back 
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Jason, when you read this, ammendment to smoke description, also active in the air column
Only pulling your leg :-p
Reminds me of active CSL from years past!
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In reply to Post #58
Send DNA the decorating and carpet cleaning bill 
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In reply to Post #59
They are usually quick to respond to anyone good customer service and I think a very good bait company
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In reply to Post #58
Good to hear, well done DNA
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In reply to Post #56
. Wish I'd opened mine in the shop - wouldn't have needed to clean it all up then! New bottle came today - really good service from DNA. Went outside and opened it just in case but no issues at all
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In reply to Post #56
Bet they loved you
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In reply to Post #50
I opened a lid of the SLK to smell in my local tackle shop the other day. It wasn't as violent as you describe but it did make a mess all over their display stand.
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In reply to Post #54
Many thanks Jason. Somebody has already been in touch. 👍
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In reply to Post #50
Hi Darren, I'm sure someone will be in touch today if you've already contacted us. The guys will get a replacement sent out ASAP. As mentioned we have identified a dodgy batch of SLK although not all of it seems to be as active as the one you've obviously had! Sorry about that!
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In reply to Post #50
Saw on Facebook that they had a dodgy batch of SLK smoke. If you contact them they will replace it
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In reply to Post #51
No it's bank holiday so I'm expecting a response this week sometimes.
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In reply to Post #50
Has DNA responded yet as they are normally quick to
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Just a word of warning - I used my DNA smoke for the 2nd time yesterday. Shook the bottle as instructed, took the nozzle cover off, there was a gurgling sound and almost the whole bottle exploded out of the nozzle. It was pouring out six foot in the air!! I had opened it indoors to coat some hookbaits and the result was the liquid went all over the floor and up the walls. No idea why it happened but I have emailed DNA to see if I had a dodgy batch or if I had done something wrong. The bottle had been stored in my fishing cupboard which is maintained at a reasonable temperature so it hadn't been subjected to high temps! No clue what happened but the house stinks and it took ages to get the smell off my hands!
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In reply to Post #47
I think it works in silt too as the lake I fish it’s very silty and I’ve had 2 so far from that lake
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In reply to Post #46
Imo it's the chemical signals given off by the solutions constituents in the water (dissolved or otherwise) that attract, a bit like bolie glug etc. The difference I'm guessing is that smoke etc is designed more importantly to rise in the water column giving the fish something to home in on, personally I'm not so sure the visual is that important.
So yes I think it would work well in silt.
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In reply to Post #1
Do people think these smoke liquids work principally visually or through scent?
Lake I’m fishing is very silty, not sure if adding more clouding to the water will have any useful effect.
Currently I glug and dust DNA baits with their other liquids and powders. Been using bug but have also stocked up on SLK as wanted to give a fish meal bait a go in the summer.
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I have only recently started to become interested in the goo/smoke/glug options. First time out with the SLK smoke this weekend on a very tricky small water I have fished for many years. The fish do not give themselves up easily and I've had many blank sessions in the past
I was using the SLK smoke on Ronnie sticky krill popups and I managed three decent fish (for there) including a gorgeous fully scaled one that has not been out for ages and another very rare visitor to the bank. Obviously I can't say the smoke caught me those fish but I am sure it must have been a contributing factor and as a result I will be continuing to use it and see how my results fare.
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In reply to Post #43
I’ve heard via YouTube from the dna guys that the switch will be sold only during the Winter a but like DT baits with their green beast
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In reply to Post #38
Nutta was my all time favourite and gutted when they stopped it.
Never done very well on s7/slk but been using bug for a year or so and done well on that.
But they defo have a gap in thier range for a nut based bait.
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In reply to Post #41
Will do mate it’s a 14 mile stretch between locks haven’t had one out since 2019 none after Covid,all my fish since then gave been from lakes,I had 6 in 2019 lost about 4 as well from April to September 2019.
The fish I had from canal were
5lb
10lb
11lb
16lb x 2
32lb
This year more effort to be put in to prebait it and hopefully have one of the 3 30’s in there,I’ve got the bait to stop them in their tracks and keep them interested
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In reply to Post #40
Mate 1 things for sure, effort = reward and your not short on effort, I doff my cap.
I'm sure you'll get the results you're working for, good luck on the canal
Keep us informed.
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Going Back to the dna smoke
Bought 2 bottles soon as they come out SLK & BUG,I then looked at how I will use it so last week I done a few days on a public lake I’ve had fish last year out to 27lb not an easy water very few swims and overgrown,very silty and can be really shallow in the summer times and the birds can be a nightmare along with the swans knecking for the loose offerings.
So…….
I went to poundstetcher and bought some bags of dried soldier fly and various insects including mealworms(the bags they use to feed the bird life on tables)£1 a bag thinking with spring here and insects about it may work.
Then I got my blender at home and blended a few packs and mixed it up with DNA insect meal to baulk it out ,I then added liquids bug & hemp oil to bind it and made 12 small(ish) balls of ground bait (after letting it soak all liquids up)using a Nash ball maker,I put a hole in each one and put them in a carrier bag and froze them,when I was ready to go I put them in my cool box so they slowly thawed and then put market float out and the holes in the balls of ground bait was then each filled with smoke,then they were fired out over my marker float and I put 2 pva bags of pellets over that spot along with 2 dark pop ups.
Ended up catching 2 a 15 & a smaller one in 24 hours ,I think it’s got a place in my fishing maybe not everyone’s,my next test for it will be on the canal where I’m starting to bait up from next week before I do 4 days on there after a nice big mirror(haven’t had one in 2 years been all commons)and hopefully another 30 from there.
Funnily enough going back to that lake I had the 2 fish exactly 24 hours apart one on Wednesday morning at 5:40 and the next morning at 5:40 again,they don’t usually follow that pattern but still happy to catch
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In reply to Post #38
Wierd isn't it, NuttaS never did it for me. When I came back to fishing I wanted a nut based boilie (dynamite had stopped Banana Nut Crunch) and a marine, I opted for S7 which had just been launched and NS. I ran them along side each other for a year and the NS was massively outfished everywhere I went and at all times of year by the S7, so I stopped using it.
I think DNA could do with a nut/milk/bird option, for the mo I'll be trying Handcraft Tricknut along side S7.
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In reply to Post #16
I used to love the nutta s from dna .
Maybe one a similar version will make a comeback ..
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In reply to Post #35
Ah, good stuff thought so
So, as I've never tried killing then eating other than the odd one on the bank, I'd imagine there's no need to purge if you remove the tract manually (like cleaning prawns) but can you rid the clay smell from dead ones by soaking in water at home...hmm can't see any reason why not, anyone tried it? I'd imagine that's what restaurants do or am I wrong? I know the chap who did it on my syndi didn't flush with fresh water, just held in a tank at the water/in the water for a few days.
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In reply to Post #30
The Yanks thought the passenger pigeon was an inexhaustible source of food. It's now extinct.
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In reply to Post #34
No you’re right. I’m saying you can trap and kill them on the bank without issue. So they don’t have any protections.
Think we are talking at it from the different angles. Keeping them is under license so those that do it are commercial and regulated to stop the spread of them. In an ideal world that makes sense.
Taking them away dead I guess you can make crayfish meal, etc. although not sure if they’d need purging for that or not to be useful.
Any Joe bloggs can trap and kill for the purpose of just getting rid of them. I can imagine loads goes on unlicensed in terms of selling them.
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In reply to Post #33
I think we're talking at cross purposes. Crays taste like crap unless they are purged (so they pass any food in their intestinal tract) and cleaned with fresh running water for several hours to rid the clay/soil taste from their flesh.
I read that as Joe Blogs can't take live RS from the source (ie the river) to his home to do that, (unless its a commercial business).
Why would you want to take dead RS home if they taste crap, what am I missing? Is there a different meaning to purge, US V UK?
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In reply to Post #32
Key words in there is live. It says you can’t KEEP LIVE crayfish without a proper license. So taking away to purge. Apparently you only need written consent from the EA (no explanation on how to get it) to trap and remove which means trap and kill non native crays.
The reason for their spread was commercial businesses populating lakes and ponds to sustain their business, at the time all unlicensed. Now they want to keep tabs.
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In reply to Post #25
yes they have made it easier to get a license due to the issues they are causing.
Not for the individual they haven't by the looks of it, did you mean business? I can't see why average Joe Bloggs with half a ounce of intelligence can't trap now, just silly :-(
As I said before, protecting the red with the excuse of the white.
You must not transport or take live crayfish away from the location you caught them. There are 2 exceptions to this:
1. If you have a licence, for example, to keep live crayfish for commercial processing on your premises in England
2. If you have a permit to keep live specimens for research or conservation in England and Wales
And on the traps
have an entrance no more than 95mm wide (unless fitted with an otter guard)
Imagine bringing your trap up with a Otter 
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In reply to Post #29
Oh, good stuff  now did the farm manager I talked to get a big wedge in his pay packet or do you reckon my commission is stil waiting for me
@Greekskii, there's a good little business there, not much outlay really, could be doing the water owners and the waterways a great service
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In reply to Post #28
I used to know a guy that did the same, got £12/kg in the local restaurants! A lot of effort goes with it but well worth doing for a few quid. Even with this though, you handpick the bigger ones and the smaller ones go back to grow, which isnt eradicating them.
Unless you drain a lake and find every last one you have no chance of ridding the lake of them.
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In reply to Post #28
They did JP, the last time I went which was about 4 or 5 years ago, a guy had set up traps and attached them to hi viz bottles so they were easy to find and empty. For me, the rats were worse than the crays.
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In reply to Post #25
yes they have made it easier to get a license due to the issues they are causing.
Thanks, might look into that
I'm still sceptical, common sense prevailing in less than 20 years
Edit, chap on my syndicate used to catch/hold to purge then sell on to local restaurants (licensed). I mentioned that to the guys that run Baden Hall about 7 years ago, I wonder if they took it up, some Lobsters in there :-0
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Wasn’t the key cray stopped due to price or issues maintaining the level they needed
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In reply to Post #24
yes they have made it easier to get a license due to the issues they are causing.
Having thought further on the use of crayfish products I can imagine that the main issue is that if commercialised to that extent then they are always needed to make product, meaning people will retain populations instead of eradicating them. The reason they are here in the first place and in many waterbodies. Which makes sense, no one sets up a business with a limited lifespan, you want longevity. Not that I believe you'll ever get rid of them though, no matter what you do.
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In reply to Post #23
Have things changed then re getting licenses free or otherwise 
Its been about 20 years since I was in any way in the loop but they didn't give licences out easily, in fact they made it very difficult anywhere near a river, in case of the presence of native whites.
I do hope it's now easier, I'd love a license myself, very tasty. On a water that shall remain nameless finding their burrows then using a mirror to temporarily blind them while you grabbed them yielded a lovely snack, once purged in a ner for a bit
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In reply to Post #22
Not sure what protections you’re on about tbh. If you find signal crayfish you can kill them and it’s illegal to put them back in a waterbody if it’s out of one. Trapping licenses are free as well. Hardly protected.
The thing about not using crayfish products in bait (or anything else) is a bit of a myth. Loads of bait companies use crayfish meals and products in bait. They are properly processed products as you say. I don’t personally know the origins of those products but regardless they are useable. The law applies to make sure products are processed properly before use. Basically you can’t go catch a load, crush them up and throw them in as bait.
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In reply to Post #21
Are we talking dried meal here? If so, obviously not aimed at you:-) while I can believe the ridiculousness of that, ie, better to let them keep destroying our native species while protecting the signals with red tape, I cant see how a properly processed dry meal could do that.
If that were the argument how could any none native meal be used.
Its about time RS lost their protection. Yes there's a argument Whites may be caught in the crossfire but if reds are prevalent in the particular water the proof is already there that they won't be for long. Unbelievable the inaction on RS 
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In reply to Post #16
Apparently it's illegal to even make a bait from the signals for use in UK waters. Something to do with viable genes entering the ecosystem or something like that.
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In reply to Post #17
I think I've probably now caught more fish on Crayfish mini hookers over S7 than I have on any dedicated S7 hookbait! A crayfish amino smoke wouldn't go amiss either.
Crayfish flavour is a long known attractor way back I used Richworth iirc, the smaller sizes were deadly for big Tench on a water I was fishing.
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In reply to Post #16
I also think there’s a crayfish boilie to be made after all there’s a range already there and my brother likes using the pellets when he’s on a commercial,also red signal is a great name for it I’m hoping to use the feeder stuff in pva bags in a few weeks on the canal almond with the smoke with my thinking it may stop the carp in their tracks as they move up the canal but obviously I’m prevailing from next week as well give me a better chance of at least one.
Tried the S7 last year along with the bug and SLK and had fish up to 27lb from a public lake along with a tench too and a few 20’s which isn’t bad considering how accessible the lake is and hard it is.
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In reply to Post #15
I highly rate the Crayfish range, the mini hookers are a great hookbait, I might have some of the heavy feeder mix on order
I asked Jason a while ago about some intense boosters for the Crayfish & peppered squid, I really hope it happens at some point, asked again last week.
I kind of hope a Crayfish boilie is in the offing, even better if it was called Red Signal and made up of the invasive species from this country....now there's a idea!
Having said that I'm happy with S7 as a fish/marine boilie since launch, what I'd really like is a milk/nut/birdfood...maybe one day!
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In reply to Post #13
I had the bug and S7 and the crayfish method ground bait as well
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Got the S7 on order, looking forward to trying it.
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In reply to Post #11
Used it last week had a 15.8 and a little cricket bat common as well
I used it in pva bags and also made up some insect ground bait and made them up at home and put holes in them before freezing,then I filled up the holes in each one with the smoke and catapulted them out over my spot and put a bag out over them.
I done this because the water is very deep maybe 4’ tops the bird life can spit bright bait easily so I only use dark bait including pop ups.
I’m trying it out on the canal in few weeks doing 4 days on there after another 30 so I’ll see how it goes,impressed so far but I like the DNA range excellent range nothing mega complicated with it.
On another note my brother just come back from a commercial and was having a fish a chuck on the pole doubles upwards all over pellets soaked in DNA’s cayenne pepper liquid while guy next to him was having a fish every 30 minutes
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Any feedback on product? Been out a couple of weeks now to general public.
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In reply to Post #7
As mentioned before, no, it is not in our liquid. I was simply addressing your inference that it was, not the fact it is on the market
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In reply to Post #6
It would appear there is a widely used base liquid…. Albeit it may not be in your particular product.
https://aabaits.co.uk/product/smart-cloudy-liquid/
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In reply to Post #4
There's no 'widely available base' used. The smoke is developed from scratch as with all DNA's products. We don't buy in boilies, over flavour pop ups or rebrand others liquid blends. As always we do things the right way, as much as others may want to believe differently.
This one is slightly different, for a start it is not made from 50% water. It also contains 35% liquid food and took much longer to get right rather than just a base with an added flavour. All 3 of them have slightly different reaction times with the SLK being the slowest because the food contains CLO. It may make a difference to your angling, it may not. It will depend on what kind of fishing you do. The anglers that tested it thought so, but of course with any product like this it can be subjective.
As always the choice is there with these products. You either buy it or you don't. If you do, thanks. If not no problem
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Definitely be good to hear how you get on with it. Only thing that bothers me with this sort of thing is, if I catch using it it's pretty near impossible to not use it on every other chuck forever and ever
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In reply to Post #1
Looks like whatever the base was to the Mainline smart liquid has now become widely available. So other companies are getting on the band wagon in terms of their products.
Not seen the DNA one but do think the smart liquid is good in terms of clouding up and spreading through the water column.
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In reply to Post #2
I’ve got some on order I’ll be trying it next week and I may do a review see what people think
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In reply to Post #1
I'd imagine Jason's noticed a gap in the product range hes plugging, can't blame him,
coming at the likes of Goo from a angle of different attractants.
Just a new wheel, not a reinvention of, as you say it can be done in other ways, whatever makes you happy or gives you confidence.
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What are your thoughts on this from DNA? Another gimmick? Surely the same thing or better can be achieved by coating in some liquid aminos and say a powdered hydro?
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