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XL bully’s sadly a lot of it is down to breeding this article may be the reason behind the aggression we see.
https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/uk-world-news/breeder-xl-bully-ancestor-half-8758504
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In reply to Post #66
Its being pushed in one direction for a reason. 9 people were killed in the UK last year by dogs, 7 of which were XL's or bull cross breeds.
In 2022 10 people were killed, 5 of which by XL's.
in 2021 4 people were killed, 3 of which by XL's/ American pit bull.
Cant really argue with that ie; XL's are more likely to kill people. The fact that there are so many Labs around for example in comparison yet no deaths proves the point.
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In reply to Post #67
Worldwide yes. I just typed in dog deaths by breed per year that popped up . I will admit didnt do too much research but purely pointing out lots of dog breeds can take lives.
Funny fact. Hippos kill over 500 a year. Best not have one of them as a pet
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In reply to Post #66
Is that worldwide?
Only 16 dog related deaths recorded in England and Wales in 2023, acording to Statista. Your stat suggests 2 people are being killed a week....... which is clearly not the case in UK.
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In reply to Post #65
2023 Dog attack stats from a simple google search
Bite statistics according to dog breed
Rottweiler: 45 deaths. German Shepherd: 20 deaths. Mixed breeds: 17 deaths. American Bulldog: 15 deaths.
You are right no Yorkies but valid point non the less about the public eye being pushed in one direction
Sometimes I wish dogs could tell their side of the story. Unfortunately a certain type of person ends up with some of these breeds. Who knows what has made that dog snap. I would rather take my chances then tell someone my dog is a yorkie thats for sure
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In reply to Post #64
Yes, there was a women killed by two XL Bullies in Jaywick, too, earlier in the year.
Not heard of death by Yorkie though, funny.
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In reply to Post #63
I bet someone else in the country has been killed by there own dog too............No chance of hearing about it though..........Doesnt fit the narrative......... 
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Woman killed by two bullies in Hornchuch this week. Her own dogs, too.
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In reply to Post #61
I remember I packed up on time and was walking back along the itchen and got talking to a guy pleasure fishing and was stood there talking to him,when my older staffy decided he had an itch and was rubbing his backside on my barrow and it tipped and my hold-all and a couple of bags went in along with my dads old radio which I kept after he passed away,amazingly got everything out no drama and radio still worked
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I always intended on taking my staffie cross fishing but never plucked up the courage as he's a little too interested in things and an accomplished thief. Also a big boilie fan so sure he'd end up stealing the bait, knocking over pods and generally being a nuisance.
He's three and a half now and generally well trained, used to pubs/restaurants, B+Bs and even canoes so I'm sure he could get used to it. Think I'll enlist the wife to drop him to the lake when I'm set up and pick him up after a few hours then slowly build it up.
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In reply to Post #57
Amazing dogs! My girl has bully in her and she is fantastic!
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In reply to Post #58
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It’s all down to the correct type of dog and training
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Slightly on but off topic. Yesterday we took the dog for a walk on the river Weaver and we saw our 1st Americal XL bully. Absolutely stunning, very well bahaved, never realised how heavy they look or how big they are, he must have sat around 1m maybe 1m+ to head height.
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I have a staff and an old Tyme bulldog the staff is so people friendly it’s stupid she would live with anyone she didn’t even. Know but my old Tyme is a nightmare got him at 4 months and think he has been abused as a pup he is so nervous of everything and everyone
Won’t let him out around kids and always on edge with new visitors around him he is dog aggressive fine as long as they don’t come challenging him but with everyone at home he is so daft it’s unbelievable the staff is half his size and twice his age but she is the boss if he wants her to play he barks at us and she batters him it’s so funny he knows what’s going to happen and just does it old Tyme bulldogs are normally so placid but he’s a pain my daughters one is completely different
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In reply to Post #52
Another year or so then.
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I love all dogs and have 2 schnauzers- one is a bloody nightmare around other dogs the other is brilliant. I don’t trust MY dog around others but especially bull breeds, not because they are bad or untrained but because mine would try the patience of a saint and in the end I believe a bull type dog would think - I did warn you. So my nightmare dog is always on a lead so it winds me up when other dogs run over to ‘play’.
I have known many stafffies and all have been brilliant - however they are muscle and can be very protective - I believe if any bull breed were trainable the Police would use them, they don’t as there is always a chance that others push the dog into a state of rage that seems to be trainable only with Alsatian’s.
My dogs have never bitten anyone - but I also know 99% that even if one ever did they are simply not powerful enough to kill - like baby goats!
It’s a shame about peoples perceptions of breeds and very true that it’s all down to the owners. Just my personal take and I like nothing better than any dog when fishing saying hello and ish I could take mine, but the stress would kill me. Loves people hates anything non human that moves!
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Lab for me, I think the key is to get them used to going with you whatever breed you take. If you only take them occasionally it can take them 24 hours to settle into it and get used to all the different smells, noises etc.
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In reply to Post #51
Haha, 18 months so still daft as a brush
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In reply to Post #50
How old is your swamp collie?
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In reply to Post #48
I take a wide berth because my golden retriever is an irritant and is that excited he just annoys other dogs!
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In reply to Post #29
Border for me too such characters and excellent ratters which comes in handy
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In reply to Post #47
I was going to type the same thing 
I've no personal issue with any breed thats well trained and has a responsible owner but it's hard to judge that a lot of the time, especially instantly, so for that reason I'm always wary with my Dachshund around larger dogs, especially strong muscle jawed breeds. I will pick him up if in doubt as the consequences don't bare thinking about, which is a shame as it breeds insecurity in him.
Another reason I pick him up is that if another dog tries to bare over or dominate him he stands his ground and will attempt to strike 1st if he's in any doubt. I've often had comments from other owners of bigger dogs when I pick him up, "you didn't have to pick him up, don't worry mines freindly/wouldn't hurt a fly" that sort of thing. They often look confused when I say "I'm not worried about yours I'm worried about mine". Rigid none waggy tails tend to give you a heads up when to be cautious of a dominant/confident dog.
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In reply to Post #44
That may well be true but that's simply because there are far more labs around, they are the country's most popular dog. And, labs don't kill people, bull breeds do.
I don't avoid staffs but I avoid bully types, just ain't worth it.
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In reply to Post #44
If people really do that then i sympathise with you i for one certainly wouldnt and initially would ask if it was ok for me to stroke your dog then if ok would make a fuss of it, like i would with more than 90% of the dogs i meet regardless of breed.
I don't think staffys have a bad reputation of attacking people certainly all the ones i have seen haven't shown any of those traits, i have seen some that have been dog aggressive possibly in part to the terrier in them but not to people
The problem is that regardless to number of bites of certain breeds the more severe bites or attacks even sadly fatalities have been from more powerful dogs often including larger bull breeds granted these aren't staffys but all bull breeds have been tainted in the public eye and by media etc because of this.
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In reply to Post #44
I’m sure I read somewhere (a while ago admittedly) that the top dog attacks included Labradors,jack russels & sausage dogs and maybe chihuahuas and that the staffy isn’t in that number although I could be wrong.
Also when there’s a dog attack they always say it’s a bull breed of some type and put a picture of a staffy up showing its teeth yet apparently that same picture is a staffy actually sneezing,again I could be wrong but I’m sure I read it somewhere and a while ago.
My 2 Staffies where protective but very friendly to people unless they didn’t know them always handy to take with you though as I had a few issues on the river at times with groups of lads until my one staffy got out of bag and stood in doorway of bivvy and because he didn’t know them he showed them he wasn’t happy they were there.
I also had a guy who had an issue with me when I was in Southampton he was fishing with his wife but pissed out of his head and tried to cause grief and he tried to kick my dog and my dog went for him to warn him to stay away,he staggered off and his missus come over afterwards and apologised and took him away to sober up
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In reply to Post #41
There seems to be confusion about my statement.
I was specifically speaking about my dog and breed not dogs in general. As you said any animal is capable of an attack. Simple search would show Labs are involved in more dog attacks and human attacks for that matter than a staff.
My argument is people walk circles around me and my staff but they see your lab and think ahh cute.
So unless my original comment wasnt clear maybe the above would help you understand
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In reply to Post #31
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I had 2 staffies when I lived in Southampton and been bought up with them all my life,our last one my mom had was a rescue dog and she passed away last year,I’ve never known another dog to be so loyal and friendly and it’s a shame they get a bad press when some smaller dogs can be more vicious and also the owners don’t help with the way they look after them and show off with them.
But all dogs are fantastic unfortunately humans aren’t
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In reply to Post #39
I'm not trying to prove anyone wrong. You stated "I do not understand" - OK, the breed may not be exact but absolutely everything else is.
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In reply to Post #37
Edit.
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In reply to Post #37
Its a staffy not a bully. Big difference even though they share dna traits. If you want to prove me wrong perhaps link the correct breed.
My beagle is a lot more aggressive and dominant than the staff yet he gets the bad wrap which is funny as in places like South Africa and Australia they are the most popular breed of dog and get stolen a lot as they are so friendly. Yet in a country they bred they are seen as these monsters which if you have spent more than 5 minutes with any staff you would change your mind
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In reply to Post #37
IMO any of the 'fighting/baiting' breeds only need a trigger, whatever that may be, to go full tonto!!
It's in their genetics, the same way that retrieving is hard wired into my Labs genetics.
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In reply to Post #19
"Cant understand it myself he couldn't hurt a fly. "
This might help you to understand.
Family Dog
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In reply to Post #35
Simply a must have!!!
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@33/34, love it 
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In reply to Post #33
Me too, though she's no longer working.
Her best (most expensive) retrieve was a cracked off deeper! (not mine)
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Working Labrador.
Will retrieve cracked of spombs!
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My stafffy mastiff cross breed, although since the new legislation around XL’s came into play it’s been difficult to take him somewhere and be muzzled in public.
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In reply to Post #28
I took my old Rottie once, all was going well until i catapulted some bait in and he went straight in after it and swam 30 yards out to the marker float and brought it back.
Stayed at home after that
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Used to take my Staffie. She was good as gold, friendly with everyone. But at night when we were tucked up, if she heard something outside she would growl.
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In reply to Post #1
Border Terrier - best dog breed I have ever had. Such lovely characters, and they are the most adaptable dogs to the situation - city or country life.
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I never took any of mine. I did used to walk mine round various lakes. I had an incident with my first rottie that put me off taking her. I was on a lovely sunday dog walk, we turned a corner and from behind a bush a bloody great male swan came charging out at us, presumably because the babies were close by. We simply couldnt see it or i would have put her on the lead. The swan went for my rottie, and as anyone whos owned one knows, they rarely if ever start any issues, but they are very loyal, fearless and dont back down especially if they think they are protecting their owners. Just at the point that my rottie had the swan pinned to the floor by its neck, the park ranger appeared. I had a lot of explaining to do and I scurried off before the old bill got called. Luckily the swan and the dog were perfectly ok. TBH it put me right off.
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In reply to Post #26
I didn’t know that il look into to thank you
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In reply to Post #23
Don’t have to be muzzled on private land? Find somehwere that you can fish with dogs and ask if it’s ok. Theres a few lads I know with that breed, they run around free and cause no harm to anyone. Really nice dogs actually.
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In reply to Post #24
 That'll teach you
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Fook I gotta tell you my dog story when I was about 20 years old
YES ! I can remember that long ago F*** off 
anyway at the time my fishing mate didnt have transport so I always picked him up the plonker was never ever ready so I would go in make myself a tea while he got ready and his dog rex a Heinz 57 dog loved me he used to go mad and sit next to me one day I stood up and casually said I tell you what Paul you dont take any notice of this dog I reckon he loves me more than you
Nah he is a one man dog if I tod him to get you he would ! I like a fool said no way he loves me
he said get him Rex !
the bstd leaped up and launched itself at me got my wedding tackle in his gob and would not let go shaking his head the pain was like nothing I had ever experienced and Paul was just laughing his head off then he realised it was my clothing the dog had he called him off
its 57 years ago now and I can still remeber it and the pain 
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In reply to Post #19
I have a xl bully that I can’t take fishing as they have to now be muzzled, I don’t even like taking her out on walks anymore as a lot of people who believe everything they read think it’s going to try and kill people on sight. Hands down the softest loving dog iv ever known. Doesn’t leave my side just a shame she can’t come fishing as she loves being outside.
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When I lived down south I had 2 Staffordshire bull terrier’s and they loved going with me one either side of the barrow,good as gold they were and I never had any issues on the rivers or the little lake I fished,forgot to mention it was a pain to share a sleeping bag with them I had one at bottom of bag and one at the side of me.
I believe the 1 will be still alive as it’s been 10 years last month I moved back to midlands and the other has long gone
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In reply to Post #19
Just start walking round the lake / river wherever your going to fish and get him used to it slowly.
I'm sure you'll be pleasantly surprised.
Good luck
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In reply to Post #19
Take him. You just can’t take the fishing seriously the first couple of times. Fcuk what other people think.
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I have always wanted a dog to come fishign with me. My 11 year old beagle could never as he barks non stop and only listens when he feels like it. Bought a staff just over a year ago thinking perfect companion but then with the worst summer known to man last year and wet winter never took him with me.
Now he is over a year old and even though he would lick you to death they have such a bad reputation everywhere I go people walking miles out of their way to stay away from him. Cant understand it myself he couldn't hurt a fly. Would still like to take him but fear he will be non stop chasing swans not being used to it and from past experience not sure how others would react because they think he is a "killer"
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In reply to Post #1
German Shepherd but he's sadly passed now , could fish anywhere no-one bothered us
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In reply to Post #16
My spaniel comes with me from time to time.
We use a boat to get around the lake and she is as good as gold.
As long as she is on the bed chair she is happy.
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In reply to Post #15
Love those little dog bivvies
I'll show the Mrs again, I know she'll want 1 for him.. .again
Edit, great pics
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Can’t beat a Cockerpoo as a carping dog
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In reply to Post #13
Staff when she was younger,working cocker now. Staff was far easier but moody lol cocker just doesn't give dam
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I am lucky that most of the waters I fish permit dogs. My staff cross was a pain when she was younger chasing rabbits and rats but I just kept her on a long lead. She has always loved it and will sit by the van when she knows I am going. She has had a nice sunbath today.
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In reply to Post #8
Bet they keep the rats at bay
I always wanted to take mine, apart from most waters not allowing them, the latest 1 (in my avatar) simply could not be trusted. Even though he's very well trained his hunting instinct is too strong, the thought of losing him down a Rabbit hole, I couldn't live with it.
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In reply to Post #1
My golden retriever died a couple of years ago (aged 14.5 yrs), before I re-took up fishing last year.
He used to love coming to golf. If I put on a specific (golf) polo shirt in the morning, he’d go and sit by the car and refuse to move until I loaded him and the clubs in.
And I KNOW he’d love fishing. I have all the gear I need, memberships of syndicates. The only thing missing is a dog.
But the missus won’t have another dog. The missus is gonna have to be disposed of….
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In reply to Post #1
Border terrier for me! Comes every week and loves it! But he is a handful 😂
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In reply to Post #1
English bulldog - she loves it when we take her.
Once initial excitement wains, she will happily just sit and watch the world go by.
Only problem is her sleeping on her own bed... never happens always between my legs on the bedchair.
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In reply to Post #7
Yep they make a noise but i like that
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In reply to Post #1
Jack Russell. Brilliant carp dog. Only issue is her barking when someone comes into the swim
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In reply to Post #1
A Shih-tzu, yappy little ****, sleeps a lot.
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I’ve got a Jack Russell, he’s a brilliant carp dog.
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In reply to Post #1
my Beagle always comes with me. Has done from a pup, he's 14 this year
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Did a search but carnt find it, what breeds of dogs does everyone have that they take fishing? Me and the mrs was just talking about a dog but did want a british bull terrior but she is worried it would wreck the house as they are very lively
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