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In reply to Post #115
Thanks both 
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In reply to Post #113
I found the 3.5lb absolutely fine mate.My Harrisons 3.25lb are clearly better quality, but I'm a very average caster and I found hitting similar distances with the greens really easy.Had a couple of fish on them and felt pretty good too,having expected them to be like broom handles,they definitely weren't.
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In reply to Post #113
I bought a set of these for using in France (not actually been yet though), used them a few times and they seem fine, not as nice to play fish on as my Terry Hearns 3.25’s but I never expected them to. Had fish to upper twenties that have had to be ‘coached’ out of weed beds and they dealt with them perfectly. Not really had to hit a lead with them but up to 100yds they’ve been fine with 3.5oz leads.
Really can’t complain for the price, they seem quite light for factory built rods in that price range.
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Any more reviews on these rods? I'm looking at an all rounder 12ft 3.5tc most likely.
Thanks
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In reply to Post #111
They have been fine mate
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In reply to Post #109
Hi
How do you find the 4lb for playing fish close in?
I mainly fish pva bags and managed to shear the tip off of one of my Nash Pursuit 3.5lb. But I always found them a bit soft. So considering three of the 4lb12ft Greens as a replacement and will sell the two undamaged pursuits I have left.
Thanks
Ashley
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To anyone who has used both, how do the greens stack up against the Sonik Vader X RS?
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I’ve got a set of the 12ft 4lb rods for my syndicate.
They are great rods for the money and get me the distance I need
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In reply to Post #107
I got rid pretty quick in the end.
I found the 3lb too soft, I could only accurately get a 2.5 Oz lead about 60 yards. I probably should have got a higher tc to start, but ended up going with something else instead that I've been very happy with.
The Green was nice to play a fish on though
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In reply to Post #106
Brought a set of the 12ft 6 in June and really like them. Can really punch a lead out with them and not like a broom to play fish on.
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Anymore longer term reviews on the kaizen greens ? A friend is looking at some 12ft 6 for distance fishing.
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Anyone fishing with these rods in 3.5 tc looking at buying a full set up and they suite my pocket although I’m not a fair brass fan boy. I am torn between 3lb and the 3.5.
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I've used mine a couple of times now, I went for 3lb 12ft.
Cast really well up to about 70 yards with a 2.5oz lead and play fish well too. May get a bit further with a bigger lead, but that's not what I wanted them for.
YAC only had two in stock and they've just taken a new delivery so I'll be popping over to pick up my third rod this week or next.
Price vs performance - I'm well chuffed 👍.
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In reply to Post #102
You can say that again mate.... 
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In reply to Post #101
Won't be as good as the 10fts you sold me 
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Just bumping this up.
Considering a set of the 10ft 3lb Kaizens for a small water I fish. Any user reports?
What about the handle length, is this a full length on the 10ft model? Really don't like the short/stubby handles you get on some 10ft rods.
Cheers
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In reply to Post #98
I brought a set of the 12.6ft 4lb as some of my fishing is range and didn’t want to break the bank. I will say for such a heavy test curve I have had to really pull some fish away from rocks in a lake and have found them good for this as was worried I pull the hooks out. I find them a bit heavy in weight but it’s not like I am holding them for that long really.
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I’ve posted my initial thoughts below. Now I’ve had them a couple of months and had a load more use, I can confirm I like ‘em.
When I originally bought them I thought that if I don’t like them, I’ll punt them on, as you’ll not lose big money given the purchase price.
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In reply to Post #97
I've watched some of the vids on YouTube, tbh I'll never try and cast that far or follow what someone like that says. Impressive though 👍
The only vid that stood out was DF saying most of the components on the green are the same as the platinum, just different carbon.
I did wiggle a platinum too out of interest and felt as light as the green - don't think I could have told the difference if they didn't have different coloured logo's.
And as (I believe) they are both Daiwa blanks I dont think I could go far wrong especially as I've been preparing to spend nearly a bag on two rods so these could save me enough for a holiday 😂😂
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In reply to Post #90
Terry Edmonds is a great casting coach, and long distance caster. However I wouldn't take his advice on buying a rod. Casting a rod I will hang on every word. I've learnt a lot from watching his vids. Funny how every new rod is the best ever, yet people long for the stuff made years ago.
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Was in a tackle shop today to compare the Flex to 3.25 C2's and picked up a Kaizen Green to see how it compared and I thought it felt better than both the Harrison and Century rods!
So without hating DF, Korda or their fans is there any one got any feedback on these these in real life because £ 350 for 3 rods rather than each would leave a lot of money in the bank for bait or towards a decent ticket?
Cheers
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In reply to Post #91
4lb TC, bejasus.
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In reply to Post #93
I didn't elude to comparing what he can do to all other anglers that's why I said would do a job for "some" he's not the only angler capable of casting big distances there are plenty of anglers that can cast a lead that may only have a small budget that could make the most of a rod like this, theres also plenty that can afford top end custom builds that still couldn't cast past 100 yrds horses for courses and all that.
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In reply to Post #92
Terry put a bare lead 170 yards on a 9ft scope. I think comparing what he can do to a normal person could do is a bit useless 
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I watched a Korda shorts clip of Terry Edmonds on Instagram at the weekend casting 10' foot 4lb greens as he'd been asked how far he could cast them in a fishing situation.
He setup with tapered Longchuck 12 to 30lb a 4oz distance lead with a baited rig and banged them out into a very strong headwind, he wrapped up at 25 then 28 then 30 and hit all those on the clip easily finally after 3 chucks at 33 wraps on his 3rd attempt he hit the clip, I would imagine without the headwind as it was blowing quite well and easy to see that he would of done 33 wraps quite easily as well and probably gone a fair bit further although he did add he didn't feel comfortable at the upper range and would advise stepping up to the 12 foot in that scenario for anything more where range was important when trying to get further, for a bottom end rod they look like they would do a job for some on a tight budget in all lengths and test curves.
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In reply to Post #88
Just to follow this up, I picked up a set of the 12’ 4lb greens last week and tried them out today. For comparison, I normally use a set of century NCS 12’ 3.5lb.
Casting wise, very good indeed even with my crap technique. I had a couple of fish to mid twenties and they are fine under the tip and at the net, though I’m sure I was being overly cautious.
Cosmetically, they are fine, understated, not offensive. As a tool to cast a long way for little money, they are certainly worth look.
For 120 quid, I’m impressed.
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In reply to Post #81
You sure your rods are actually aviators!?
Imo the proper kaizens aren't a patch on a set of aviators.
Also, my rod builder has some real reservations about the quality of the blanks and fittings (particularly reel seat spacers) after rebuilding two sets (although they were because of customer preferences, not failures etc)
The only other person I know rates the kaizens over the aviators is Terry Edmunds, and his alliances change with the wind. Unbelievable caster but he is to rods, what Jim shelly is to bait.
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In reply to Post #87
Anyone bought these yet? I’m thinking of the 12’ 4lb for long range bag work.
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In reply to Post #84
Agree you don't have to spend tons of money....but with all due respect, although there are some very good budget rods around, (I personally love the Shimano TX2) you know the difference.
Each to their own though!
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In reply to Post #84
I’d agree and disagree with that. Some casting rods perform way better than others. But I’d do the same. Only because if I was fishing stupid ranges week in week out I’d rather blow up a set of £300 rods than £1300.
And the abuse they take id happily push the cheaper rods to there limits. But if money was no object I’d use the better material and better tool for the job.
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In reply to Post #83
Don’t get me wrong, I was also under the impression that you had to pay a guy in a shed £1300 to get three good casting rods. I’ve paid that or around that for several sets of rods over the years. I’d never tried a cheap set of casting rods.
All I’m saying is that for long range *casting* these £120 rods perform at least as well and in my case I found them better.
To get tackle that does a great job you don’t have to spend tons of money these days. If you want to be flash it’s always going to be more expensive.
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In reply to Post #81
Can I have a pint of what you are on please....
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In reply to Post #81
Wow .
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In reply to Post #79
In this case yes, as I already have a set of Aviators. As a tool to cast a baited rig beyond 120/30 yards the cheap Kaizen are (in my experience) a better rod than the Aviator. The rings are junk, they don’t have a tarty weave, but they will put a lead a long way accurately and easily.
As I said earlier, I was in a field, so didn’t play a fish, but a load of old cobblers is spoken about fish playing action too.
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In reply to Post #71
Only if it was the turbo 
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In reply to Post #78
So you are seriously saying if i offered you three aviators at the same price of three kaizen greens you would say no ?
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In reply to Post #77
*for casting at range*
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In reply to Post #75
Id tell him to get whatever he wants to get that he can afford. The post i answered stated he would rather have the kaizen green over an aviator even if it was the same price .
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In reply to Post #75
2 cheap and good distance rods
Helicals and tx2s , will do everything needed for upto 160-170 yards
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In reply to Post #71
genuine question, my mates looking for three distance rods, he's looked at the tx2, he's waiting to see a set of these rods....if you wouldn't recommend the the kaizen greens, what would you recommend for that type of mo ey as not everyone can afford Audi rs6
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In reply to Post #71
I don’t blame a rod builder for perpetuating the myth that a carp rod needs to be anything but a half decent bit of bendy carbon for slinging leads as far as the fish. We all have bills to pay. It’s the people who eat it up and regurgitate.
Fly rods are obviously different.
I’d feel like less of a plonker sitting in the Uno so I’d probably take that. We’re all different.
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In reply to Post #71
His post is probably part of his stand up routine.
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In reply to Post #70
Yeah and id take a fiat uno over a audi rs6 !
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If I had to fish consistently over 120 yards I would take the Korda rods over the Aviators, even at the same money. Would prefer smaller guides, but who really cares. So much b**locks written about rods and reels, they are just a tool for a job.
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I picked up the 12ft spod rod yesterday. Seemed a lot of rod for the money.
I'm sure they will sell thousands.
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Had the chance to try these out 12ft 3.5lb rods out
Got to say I really liked them I reached the same distance as my longbows tbh they look identical mmmm
If I was in the market I would seriously think about these
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Not seen a single set of Kaizen greens for sale second hand ! Not even a single set on eBay for sale.
I thought they looked and felt good for £100 a rod .
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In reply to Post #64
My post (#2) was a statement, I didn't ask for a reply...
And I wasn't the one who mentioned returning them to the shop, that was another poster if you check back.....I am pretty much OK on retail law thanks.
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In reply to Post #63
LOL , your the one who mentioned you'd seen them for sale , looking for replies !
You didn't seem to know that you can't just return items because you changed your mind (unless mail order)
Not argumentative just answering your posts -that's what forums are about .
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In reply to Post #62
Why so defensive/argumentative? Wierd 
I couldn't really care less to be honest, I was just saying that I had seen a few sets up for sale, brand new with tags. I haven't claimed the Kaizen Greens are crap or anything else....
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In reply to Post #60
read my post 53 !
who knows why their for sale new with tags , could be smaller dealers with no web present ,competition wins ,pre orders but changed their mind .
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In reply to Post #59
Then you would expect them to state so in the listing, afterall, if you are trying to sell something you don't want you would be keen to convince the buyer you weren't selling because they were a load of tat....
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In reply to Post #58
I think they do....especially if via mail order, (distance selling regs).....
Surely if anyone was buying from a shop they would make certain they were fully happy before going to the checkout......
TFT's returns are quite black and white;
To be entitled to a full refund or exchange, we must have received the returned item in unused condition in the original packaging within 30 days of you taking delivery.
I purchased a £2K BaitBoat a couple of years ago from TFT, decided it was too big and asked them if I could return it. They refunded without any issue whatsoever....
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In reply to Post #56
Sound like competition wins
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In reply to Post #56
If they have purchased from a shop and changed their mind then the shop doesn't have to accept the return ,hence why they could be for sale privately.
(simple consumer law)
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In reply to Post #53
Sets I have seen are "brand new with tags"....
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In reply to Post #54
Yes i have changed guides and reel seats on a set for a well known angler those guides are cheap bendy rubbish .
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Not the greens but sure i’ve seen on John Hennessy web page that he’s done custom kaizens for both Damien Clarke and Tom Dove. If they don’t use the factory built rods wheat does it tell you about the components being used and aren’t they the same rings etc on the greens, its just the blank that’s different.
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In reply to Post #4
Maybe they used them ,can't just return an for a refund because you decide you changed your mind (unless purchased online/mail order)
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In reply to Post #42
On what basis could you return them and want your money back? You don’t like them? Not a valid reason to return something unless you can prove they aren’t fit for purpose, which is very subjective.
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In reply to Post #50
My mate who uses TX2's had a cast with the greens and said the same. Although I guess it depends what you want them for as the TX2 are a little bit pokey.
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Not used these but have viewed them in a shop. the feel cheap. Which they are so fully expected but based just on feel and materials used I'd say these are a tier below the tx2.
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In reply to Post #47
Behave!
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In reply to Post #46
Performance wise there would probably be very little between the two.
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In reply to Post #41
Not sure how you can compare cheap blanks with cheap fittings to high end blanks with quality fittings.. 2 very different things
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In reply to Post #44
Oh well never mind.
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In reply to Post #43
Well I don't care if you belive me or not.
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In reply to Post #41
Sorry mate, struggling to believe you. A top named rod builder would struggle to stay in business based on whst you've said.
Name them.
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In reply to Post #2
Where? I am not into these rods (I have Harrisons) but like someone else wrote, people would just return them.
I've been on ebay and they have these roads on there, but they are new rods, sold by shops.
I'm no massive fan of Korda at all, but is this really happening already?
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In reply to Post #40
All sets was bulit by well know rod builders. Yes what I am saying is its not worth paying all that money to buy customs when you can get rods that korda have brought out.
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In reply to Post #38
Far less likely with a decent rod builder though
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In reply to Post #37
He’s saying just because you pay more and custom build they still can go wrong
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In reply to Post #36
I've read your post 6 times and still dont know what you're trying to tell us.🤷
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Well I have had 4 sets and one set refurbished of custom rods and I won’t buy another set over £1200 a set Had 3 sets go white So the next set I buy will be off the shelf bargain rods
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In reply to Post #34
Was he being paid to?
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In reply to Post #13
really that frank warick chap says they are great?
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In reply to Post #26
Aye Martin those blanks are something else.
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In reply to Post #10
The market for high end rods is busier than ever. You just have to look at the waiting times to get custom rods built to see there still as popular as ever. Mass produced daiwa rids do go for very much second hand.
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In one way or another you get what you pay for, what one rod will offer in distance it will lack in another department - not responsive when playing a fish or being heavy. Some will come apart after a season or two where cheaply built won’t last.
Having had lots of sets of rods over the years, I would say from experience get a rod that suits your needs - be it distance requirements, buy price or quality.
Jeff built me a set of rods recently, stunning finish and simply just quality. I am confident they will last for 20yrs as I look after my kit, and they will give me 10 x the pleasure in using them for what I paid for them (same as off the shelf price for exactly how I wanted them personally).
Very seldom does a more expensive rod catch you more fish unless for specific circumstances like fishing at extreme distances, fish with the rods you have got until you can save to buy the rods you desire if that’s what you want out of it all.
Most of all enjoy yourself 👍
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In reply to Post #24
Oh and i forgot 2 fly rods at £350 each 👍
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In reply to Post #23
He was wrong about everyone being skint too then 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Must be just him.
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In reply to Post #20
This morning actually , 2 sets last week ,3 sets the week before 2 matching spod rods and marker rods, a chimera no 3 and two 3 piece 9ft 2.75s.all gone and mostly to forum members
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In reply to Post #20
What a load of rubbish.
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In reply to Post #20
I think what your saying is that the bubble has burst this £400 to £500 a rod is absolutely ridiculous the same as most of carp fishing tackle this £1000.00 for a bivvy I think a lot of people feel it’s a rip off I’ve heard loads of people on here saying
So if other companies are making decent tackle a lot cheaper then good luck to them it’s about time the others had a big wake up
I see a hoodie for £100 there treating us as idiots
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In reply to Post #12
Ok when did you last try to sell some high end rods then.
My Daiwa infinitys which are mint and cost me a bargain 400 quid each have been on tackletrader for months and aren't selling.
Could be that they are sh*te (which they aren't)
Could be that the country as a whole is bolloxed and no one has any money to spend.
Or it may be that you can buy way cheaper rods now with slightly less performance.
I bet if you ask a retailer how many bargain bucket rods they sell compared to Harrison... Free spirit etc it'll be 100 to 1.
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In reply to Post #17
Sega did though (nicely edited from Sonic to Sonik  )
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In reply to Post #15
Some people would buy Green dog **** if Danny told them too.
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In reply to Post #16
I don't think Sonik make anything.
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In reply to Post #13
Any particular reason or are you just a rod snob?
I think they make decent rods for the price personally.
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Well someone is buying them. I was in a tackle shop today, and was told they are selling well.
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In reply to Post #10
I think sonik eg xtractors or insurgent have there place cheap enough to leave in boot of car so not to worried if they get nicked or good as a Holliday rod river lake or even sea fishing
But not in the same world as free spirit or Harrison and others
And as for the Korda green there’s a reason there cheap
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In reply to Post #10
I wouldn’t touch a sonik with a bargepole.
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In reply to Post #10
"Killed the market for higher end rods " Yeah right.
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In reply to Post #10
90% of Wychwood rods are sub £100 so Sonik haven’t dominated the market.
I could cast my Solace Classics just as far as my Freespirit E Class Gold and there 1/4 of the price.
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In reply to Post #1
If I was spending my own money on budget rods I'd be spending 60 quid each on the new Sonik heros.
I reckon Sonik have sewn up the cheaper end value rods market and at the same time killed the market for higher end rods.
Fair play to them it's about time someone ripped up the rulebook.
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In reply to Post #8
thx mate, we plan on going to have a look at a set if there's any left in stock
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In reply to Post #7
Braided leader, 4.5oz lead. Not how I’d want to fish but works for distance. I’ve never used the TX2 so can’t compare. What surprised me about the Korda rods was the weight, expected them to be a heavy rod but they were fine.
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In reply to Post #6
cheers for replying, was that with a leader??? what size lead?? he's currently looking at the tx2 intensity too
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I had a go with the 13ft rod in a field. If you want out and out distance then for £150 or whatever they will go for then must be hard to beat. 170 was very achievable (12lb line without a rig) and my casting isn’t great. Go further with less effort than my Aviators at a third of the price. Can’t tell you how they are to actually fish with but they will get a lead out there no problem.
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Half price by Christmas 
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In reply to Post #2
Really, I wonder why they dont they take them back for a refund??
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In reply to Post #1
Sorry wrong rod reviewed
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Seen a few sets up for sale already so read into that what you will....
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not that I'm in the market for a set but a mate is, just wondering what's peoples thoughts on them.who have had a wiggle with them or boughtba set
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