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In reply to Post #20
I make up similar with some lead-free leader, splicing a loop in one end to attach to my mainline with a simple grinner (I dont use loop to loop as one of the rules of the syndicate is to use rig tube, so I use about an inch of silicon tube or a trimmed line aligner to just hold the rig tubing close to the grinner knot and cover the knot.
I fish it drop off as well. I use a twin big-ring swivel (Bank tackle do them), the lead-free leader is spliced to one of the big rings and the rig is loop-to-looped onto the other big ring. The the other end of the big ring swivel is pushed into the bottom of the lead and the lead free leader pulled tight around the outside of the lead and held in place on the stem with a tail rubber.
Works for me, always drops off on a take and never lost a lead reeling in.
Another option not already mentioned on this thread - its not optimal as I prefer not to use a lead clip in a bag, but one water I fish its the only option you can also (just about) use the Korda Hybrid lead clips and tie the bag around the bit you push the tail rubber onto. You then just tie your mainline onto the loop thats fuses to the lead clip body and slide your rig tube and tail rubber down. I use a short length of lead free leader with a loop spliced onto the end and attach it to the hybrid lead clip loop whilst I tie the bag - just makes tying the bag a bit less fiddly and remove the lead free leader once the bags tied.
One thing to watch out for with pre-made bags - if you critically balance a wafter or popup - be wary if you make the bags up too far in advance as it will dry the hook bait out a bit making it more buoyant - I had some wafters that turned into popups when I had some pre-made bags I kept for a week between sessions. Only noticed it when I was testing how a bag broke down in the margin.
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I’m on the bank now and before I left yesterday I made up 4 bags ready to go I’m only on the canal but I like to prep things and normally tie my bags the night before or if I’m off on the day I’m going I’ll do them on a morning,I love fishing bags great way to present a bait over any bottom and I lost a big fish early hours of this morning,so tying some up is a great way to get hook bait back out without a lot of fuss
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In reply to Post #27
It all pulls out through the lead/stem under hardly any pressure. I've no worries at all about these tethering a fish. I also fish barbless hooks as an additional safety precaution.
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In reply to Post #37
Yes I also do that but still don't make the night before - final stage is piercing opposite the lead with a good dose of white squid smart liquid; I need to take out shares in mainline the amount I use but it seems to work!
X5 has not been without issues - had some tracking probs on the 22" rims (which were sorted) and then a corroded transmission connection which was a hefty bill; however still love the car in general as a daily driver (its like driving a rapid sofa) and its alter ego as a 4WD 2 ton carp-mobile!
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In reply to Post #36
Belch
You are correct about bags deflating over time. Good tip is to not compress/fold the corners on pre made bags. Do it before you use them can get them as solid as you like then
I always wait till i use the bags to pierce/glug and fold corners and its as good as when made then
Ps hows the beemer going
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In reply to Post #1
I used to use the gemini stems (and they are a good product) but prefer really heavy leads on a drop off for solid bags these days so make my own mini leaders with Nash Cling-On unleaded and make up a load in advance with the Fox inline drop off system attached. Hooklinks are either 3-4" braid or sometimes a mini 3" bungee hooklink (PB Products)
With all PVA I make mine on the bank - even though you can pre-make bags, even the tightest solid bag will 'deflate' after a few hours . . . I also never make mesh bags in advance - they soak up any oil in the bait/pellet and over time can take an age to melt underwater.
If using 3x rods just make up 6x bags with rig / lead / mini leader set up and if you catch a fish / re-cast you're already ready to go . . .if you start to haul just keep ensuring you always have another 3x ready to go . .
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In reply to Post #32
Just tie a couple up it comes of very easily
Iirc There is a video with ting tong from years ago and he shows how he sets them up in the same way.
You can always fish it drop off style if you are really worried
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In reply to Post #32
Its a running lead system. Under pressure the lead and tail rubber would be pulled over the loop of the braid depending where the break is come off the line.
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In reply to Post #31
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Sorry I don't understand, how does the lead separate from the hook so the fish aren't dragging it around? if the line gets cut above the loop?
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In reply to Post #30
Because it braid it collapses on its self
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In reply to Post #25
can that all slide off if your line snaps?I ask
the same question about the gemini ones, if there is a loop surely everything won't be able to slide off.
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In reply to Post #25
I do exactly this myself but with slightly longer leadcore to make sure no mono in the air too close to my rig.
With fluro these would be bang on
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In reply to Post #25
I've been making these up recently myself.
Not got them as neat as yours yet, always seem to have an inch or two of leadcore at the top.
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In reply to Post #1
I've been making my own stems for some time. I typically tie up a hundred bags at home if I'm doing a 4 or 5 day session, although I haven't been out yet this year.
45lb ESP lead core with the lead stripped out, stems , QCS with a 2 oz NGT lead.
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In reply to Post #20
I
think Frank's leads might do the cable ties much cheaper..I'll look and post a link if I can find it.
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In reply to Post #21
I tend to use the solu-ties rather than castaway and they work great even in winter. Totally dissolve with no residue.
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In reply to Post #19
Gardener and castaway I’m pretty sure I bought my pva cables from castaway via eBay they are good wouldn’t use them in the colder months
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In reply to Post #19
I buy the Gemini stems for fox leads and then but the fox impact leads which have a groove cut out. This increases the ability for the lead to drop off if the line is cut. The PVA cable ties are made by castaway tackle or under the name solu-ties. They can be difficult to get hold of as they sell out very quickly. Not cheap either - £18 for 100 plus p and p but probably one of the best products I have ever used - make PVA bag tying so much easier. 
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In reply to Post #18
how do you get the leads to slide off if your line is cut though? I need to find an easy way before I use them again.Also, who make the pva cable ties?
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In reply to Post #17
Another vote for the Gemini stems - I have used them for a couple of years now and they have never let me down. I use PVA bags a lot and I make them up 1-2 days before I go - I add any liquids via a syringe just before casting out - never add them beforehand even if they are PVA friendly! I also use the PVA cable ties which are absolutely amazing - try them! These allow me to get the bags incredibly tight and I did experience some makes of bags splitting when I got to the lake. Never had a problem with the ESP ones though.
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In reply to Post #14
I’ve had no issues fishing with the Gemini stems I like the larger loop on them,much better than the avid or trakker stems and I can use the TA lead core with it which for me is a perfect fit.
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In reply to Post #15
I use the avid bag stems, they have literally changed my fishing , I make up say a dozen before I go and can be fishing instantly ..there cheap and work perfectly…can’t recommend them enough ….just loop em on and off you go, instant fishing
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In reply to Post #3
Be aware that some leadcore leaders float up off the bottom when the lead is removed
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In reply to Post #13
That's my gripe about the gemini stems, the lead really won't come off if you snap off, you can glue the inserts in and drill the leads to make the hole bigger, then the lead will definitely slide off of the insert but the insert will still be attached..it's a lot of bother though.
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In reply to Post #2
I tried the gemini stems, im not sure the lead will come off if the main line snaps. I made sure to get the correct size for korda leads and once on that lead didn’t come off when i tested. Im back to using lead free leader and a tail rubber. Has anyone else noticed this on the stem system?
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In reply to Post #11
If I’m doing a night I tie mine up night before usually just 2 so I can just get the rods out but if I go for a longer session I normally tie up 3/4 the night before,then I can always tie some during the session when needed
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In reply to Post #9
Good advice, thank you. Especially this time of year where the water is colder and the melting time is longer.
And fair point on the night before being ok - that's when I would do them this time of year.
For me it's about maximising the amount of time my rods are in the water this time of year, as the sessions I am doing are very short, around 3 to 4 hours (family and work commitments).
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In reply to Post #9
My one and only experience of pre tying mesh bags years ago, this is exactly what happened.
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I rarely use bags but from my experience of using stick mix's you have to be careful of what you put in them if your pre making them especially if its oily. I have had stick mix's in the past that the PVA does not dissolve as the oil content has interacted with the PVA and basically made it waterproof and insoluble.
It would not be the first time after leaving rigs out for hours that I have wound in to find the stick mix still on the rig so I never premake them now unless I am using them the same day or the next.
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In reply to Post #5
Gives you something to do to waste time on the bank lol
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I use the Fox system so always make them as I need them, it takes 2 minutes. Having said that, I did make up loads and loads of sticks in the past, sometimes found they took ages to break down (if at all) depending on what was in them and always ended up chucking a lot away if they'd been in my bucket for longer than a couple of sessions.
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In reply to Post #5
I make bags up before sessions and find that if not used for a couple of weeks the pellets can dry out the wafter or bottom bait
I now redo them every other session…. Only my own observations
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In reply to Post #3
Out of interest, are there things to watch out for in this approach? I am suprised more people don't do this preparation - is it something to do with risk of presentation?
Cheers both.
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Thank you both, exactly what I need, and they've videos on their website for basic-heads like me.
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In reply to Post #1
Take the lead out of the leadcore it’s then An unleaded leader.
You can do it with Fluoro, braid, anything
Then loop to loop them on
As bradders says there are also bag stems
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In reply to Post #1
Gemini tackle do pva bag stems,they are very 👍
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Hi all,
Going to be doing some sessions, on a particularly windy and exposed lake.
It's pretty cold, and I am new to pva bag/mesh fishing.
With the cold and my fingers not being too robust, I wanted to tie bags/rigs in advance at home, and hopefully do a quick change on the bank while fishing.
I am sure I've seen a youtube film of someone doing this well - with a pva bag and rig.
The ones I can see have leadcore, and this is banned on where I will be fishing.
Any ideas, or have I just made this scenario up?!
Cheers in advance.
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