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In reply to Post #25
But the run ring could still ditch the lead in that situation, the lead clip couldn't.
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Last year a guy on my lake snapped off a Deeper after a braid frap up. We waited for it to drift into the bank but it stopped about 20 yards out. I sent my dog in to retreive it, which she did, but the state the braid was in you'd be very lucky if a run ring would have passed over it, never mind a clip and tail rubber.
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In reply to Post #21
A run ring with a tadpole bead would be a far superior set up of that's what you want to do. Once the lead clip is off of the swivel, it can no longer ditch the lead, a it's luck a tiny bore for the line to have to pass through.
If you crack off, it happens to all of us, the end of the line pig tails, and with. Running rig, there's hopefully a chance the large bore will pass over the pigtail, but of it does get snagged, a properly set up run rig on a C clip can still discharge the lead.
That pig tail is just going ti get caught in the tail rubber of a lead clip and push the tail rubber on further.
OK no rig is 100% safe, but we should always strive to be as safe as we can.
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The argument is that the whole arrangement (lead clip, lead, tubing, tail rubber etc) might not make it off of the mainline in the event of breakage. I can see the logic.
edit: what ip100 said.
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In reply to Post #21
It's not about dropping leads all the time, it's about the fact that running lead clip can very easily become dangerous. The tail rubber can't come off if something gets wrapped up on the line behind it, therefore the lead won't come off. At least a running lead system has a far larger bore if you use a run ring, or the diameter of the swivel which again is much larger than a tail rubber, to allow the lead to slide over small obstructions and off of the mainline if it breaks for any reason. I agree with Sam, lead clips should be secure to the swivel and never allowed to slide down the mainline.
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In reply to Post #20
I only fish the swivel semi tight in the lead clip when there are no snags or heavy weed.
I did go on to say that I can alter the set up to suit my needs and if weedy I can fish the swivel tight to ensure the lead is dropped.
I prefer the semi fixed set up to initially help get the fish hooked and the the lead can shake away from the swivel so it's not helping to shake the hook out.
I fish a lead clip (rather than a running lead) as it gives me the flexibility to alter how the swivel/lead works to suit the water conditions.
doing this should be banned on all waters
Really.
Should we all drop leads when there is no need?
How do running leads drop the lead all the time...
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In reply to Post #6
I will mostly fish the swivel so it can shake out of the clip
Personally think doing this should be banned on all waters. Out of interest. Why do you like to fish like this rather than using a running rig?
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In reply to Post #18
Nonsense
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'Semi-fixed' (fixed till immense pressure applied) Lead Clips are great if you want a Fishery full of Parrot Mouthed Carp. 
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In reply to Post #16
Interesting. To be fair, for all the points mentioned that why I tend to stick with a heli set up, swivel don’t really matter, or should I say effect things
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In reply to Post #15
My main leads are dumpy pear and I get minimal line twist with them.
When I'm casting further with a Ronnie type rig that's not in a bag I will use a more nose heavy streamlined hex lead.
Weirdly, I get much more line twist with these... I reel in and lift the lead from the water and it's spinning like mad, untwisting itself. Obviously the fluted sides are acting like a propeller and spinning.
Smaller 2oz leads, I will only use these in silty areas. If it's a clean area I will use 3oz to get a better bolt effect.
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In reply to Post #14
Swivel is another one that bugs me, especially with clips mate. I bought a load of leads a few years ago now, large loop, no swivel, could have been armaleads, not sure but they were a bit of a different shape too, brown powder coated, I have a few left.
For helis and silt I normally use just 2oz with no problem, lead clips different story, few years ago now I was fishing clips with 2oz, couple of bleeps, couple of bleeps again, swapped to a bigger lead, next time, fish on
I guess the only conditioned worry by not using a swivel is line twist but I can’t say I have witnessed much from not using a swivel, line twist comes form bad spooling or fish runs predominantly in my experiences
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In reply to Post #13
I make my own leads and never add a swivel.
The brass loop is wide enough to allow the lead to move on the clip but not having a swivel means there is so much less movement before the full weight of the lead pulls on the hook length.
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In reply to Post #1
Lead convenient clips are just that for me.
Used a patanoster and then heli set up’s for years and I tried lead clips for a while on a few occasions. Far too much free movement compared to other set ups. I did a bit of trial and error as you do in the margins a few year ago now, when you tighten up to them you pull the lead towards you, pull the hookbait and you have to turn the lead before you get any real resistance unless it’s plugged in which can be a few inches, for me you need instant resistance to help set the hook, that’s why I think you get so many beeps with them, getting away with it
Better fished with tight lines to provide extra resistance and heavier leads for me
Something else I was looking at more recently when setting the hook, I use the shrink tube to create the bent hook effect, it’s surprising how cushioning the plastic can be if it’s too long and some plastic is more rigid then others, for me you want this short too. I have always tried to get an instant hook up, fish picks the bait up and pulls the hook home rather than let it have a few inches to play with. Getting away with it all the time 
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In reply to Post #11
Soz
Biro rigs,semi fixed bolt rigs,free running bomb on mono.
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In reply to Post #9
Suppose we don’t know how lucky we are.
I re bear biro I’ve,semi bolt rods,paper clip rigs.
They were all a hit n miss
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In reply to Post #7
Surely a running lead only offer decent lead discharge when your line is cut? The clips will do it while your line is still intact. That's the major plus point
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In reply to Post #1
I've had a similar experience on my last trip, I know it cost me fish .
Next time out I'm ditching the lead clips,and the back leads, instead using Fluorocarbon line and a running lead . Now if only I could get rid of the bloody swans I'd be laughing.
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All fair points, but as I have rarely used lead core or safe zone type leaders a running rig offers decent lead discharge.
Also agree they have a place and many peoples go to system - was mine for years, it’s just after the weekend I questioned why they have become so popular and was I missing something fundamental.
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In reply to Post #4
I use lead clips almost all the time.
However, I do alter the way the swivel fits in to suit my needs. I don't automatically drop the lead unless the conditions (heavy weed or snags) dictate.
I will mostly fish the swivel so it can shake out of the clip, especially if using a solid bag or just casting a single or 2-3 bait stringer.
If fishing a small mesh bag then I don't want to risk the swivel separating from the clip as it hits the water so I will tighten the swivel.
A little loop of reel line through the inner eye of the swivel (reel line/leadcore end) then pull it into the swivel will tighten the swivel into the clip.
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In reply to Post #4
The safety aspect of the ability for the lead to come off if getting snagged up on something, its what they were originally designed for rather than this dropping leads on the take nonsense
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In reply to Post #2
Agree but my confidence in them outweighs the drawbacks for me.
I suppose my question was more about ‘are lead clips’ ideal and best in class for anything other than when you need to drop leads? I used the. For years but am questioning when I would actually need them again? I rarely fish to dump leads and have only had a few pop off during fights so wonder why they are the go to on most place, am I missing something?
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In reply to Post #2
Spot on, backleads are awful things regards bite indication
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In reply to Post #1
I think the back lead is your issue here.
And if your line lay is over any weed of bars then this will accentuate the lack of direct indication.
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I fell into my normal trap at the weekend - laziness.
All year I have pretty much used the Mathew Collins running rig with the ‘tell tail’ and love it. Great indication, good learning and hooking.
I had to re rig on Sunday and used a lead clip as it was handy. I had a 2” drop back and tightened line slightly, 2 mins later another 2 inch drop back on fairly heavy bobbins, I wound down and the fish had moved 40 yards - yes I use back leads and heavy sinking line but by Christ I couldn’t believe the difference.
My question is apart from lead release are there any real benefits of a lead clip? I used them for years and they were OK but can’t help thinking after Sunday that even a helicopter would be better.
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