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In reply to Post #81
I didn't mind it for playing fish, but I often fish a fairly tight clutch when rods are sat on banksticks and the difference between 2 clicks was just too much.
1 was not far from being locked up and the next click down was too loose.
Couple of felt washers and much better (for me)
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In reply to Post #76
You definitely get used to it, I thought it was too quick, but after a few uses it comes up quite useful in the end.
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Hi,
https://www.bristolangling.com/clearance-zone/okuma-obsidian-big-pit-reel.html
£130
Bob
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In reply to Post #78
Thank you. I have been looking for reels to replace my penn 8000’s which I don’t use much but these sound smaller. Glad I didn’t order them blind.
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In reply to Post #77
They hold more line than my Tech mgs as for reel size they are smaller than the reels you mention but are very light.They are only 10grams heavier than the mgs and for the money are ridiculous how nice they feel,super smooth drag and feel really well made.Time will tell if they stay that way but for around £145 a reel im really impressed so far
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How do these compare size wise to shimano or penn reels. The closest place with them in stock for me to look at is 60 miles away
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In reply to Post #75
I don't find it too bad if im honest,I don't thinks is quick as some have said
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In reply to Post #74
How are you finding the drag
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In reply to Post #73
They are absolutely superb reels,im loving mine 
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In reply to Post #1
Just to update. I went with the Okumas. Ive only had one session so far. I really like them. Line lay is great and the reel feels smooth. The drag is quick and it took me some getting used to you need tiny one click adjustments. I will give them a few more sessions and see how I go.
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In reply to Post #71
Cheers, spoke to them. They do not have felt washers in the right size and only stick to OEM parts.
However, something like below has been suggested cut the right size.
https://www.digikey.co.uk/en/products/detail/keystone-electronics/3117/57503
I've been to have a look at the reels. To be honest the drag is quick but its not as bad as initially thought side compared side by side to the shimano 14000 xte. The XTE you go from locked up to FS in around half a turn.
The obsidian just over a quarter. Very similar to daiwa QD
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In reply to Post #68
speak to future reel servicing google their website for phone number they probably do felt washers for the okuma obsidian reels
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In reply to Post #69
I'd give Weston a call or email if you don't want to cut them yourself. They only have 2 sets of felt washers on thier page, neither state they are for the Okuma, these look similar but you'd need to check with them
https://westondevelopments.com/shop/carbon-drag-washers/original-daiwa-felt-washer-ss-tournament/
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In reply to Post #66
It's not even a 5 minute job and super easy. Remove spool, remove 3 screws, that gives you access to the drag washers. Pop them all out, make sure you keep them all in sequence, then take out 2 carbon ones and replace with greased felt ones.
I took out the top and bottom carbon washers, not sure if that was right or not, think there's a 3rd in the middle from memory but that worked for me
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In reply to Post #67
Link for the felt washers to fit these reels?
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In reply to Post #66
Videos on you tube how to do it,it's a doddle
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In reply to Post #65
Thanks. Seems a little complicated. Im not familiar with changing washers. Such a shame about the drag its the only thing holding me back. Might go for the Shimano Ultegra XTE 14000
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In reply to Post #64
I brought some to replace my much beloved xtd 5500 which were just not big enough / didn't hold enough line for French trips.
Only used them for a week in France but just to echo the below really, crazy light for thier size, super smooth clutch, great line lay.
Also found the quick drag to be a little too quick for me, all my fishing would have been done between 2-3 clicks of the drag. Changed out 2x carbon washers for felt and now much better. Still quick just gives a bit more choice for drag settings.
Yes you need to grease the felt, I used slippery eel but believe you can also use 3 in 1 oil.
I got the felt off some random on fb who sent it to me but believe many use vacuum / hoover felt off ebay which is pretty cheap, just have to cut them yourself, I brought a hole punch for the centre hole.
Really like them 👍🏽 very happy with the purchase
Very easy to change them out, just need a screwdriver.
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In reply to Post #62
Thanks, do you have a link for the washers used. Did you need to grease them. I think the Obsidian has Carbon fiber did these have grease. Any tips for changing is it just a case of screws washers and metal plates like shimano?
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In reply to Post #59
14000 power aero xtb spool is 76mm, spool to bail arm is 115mm. obsidian spool 77.5mm, spool to bail arm 114mm, so yeah pretty much identical in size
i do wish they were the proper 12000 size, dont really need 14000 size
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In reply to Post #58
the original carbon washers are roughly 28.5mm, I replaced with daiwa felt washers which were 26mm, I replaced one carbon washer in each spool with felt to give roughly half a turn of adjustment. im sure if you replaced another you'd get even more adjustment
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In reply to Post #58
Im in the same boat ready to buy these but the drag is off putting. Seems a quarter of a turn to locked up from FS isnt a lot to play with
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In reply to Post #59
Yea I’d say there close to a 14000, think there stayed as 12000
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How big are these reels.
For weight they are much lighter than my old 5500 xtbs.
Are they14000 size ?
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In reply to Post #57
I really want to buy these reels but the drag being too fast is the things that’s stopping me. Where did you buy the felt washers please? And are they easy to fit?
How much did it effect the drag for you, for example is it now more like one full turn from loose to locked? Or half ?
I’ve heard the original drag is all done in about quarter of a turn which I really don’t like
Thanks for any help
Best
D
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In reply to Post #56
only 10g heavier than a mgs xtd which costs £600, 5g lighter than a power aero that's £350.
so really 520g for a reel that costs £130 is crazy really. I really do like mine, I did change the washers over to felt though and wish they gave two sets of spool reducers. I ended up 3d printing my own
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In reply to Post #54
They are very light reels for the price point
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In reply to Post #53
I believe there have been users who have installed felt washers to slow down the drag. Worth trying Weston or someone who can cut them for you.
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In reply to Post #51
Great to get insight from someone who has owned Shimano before. I still have a set of Daiwa Crosscast 5000c Qd's (not bad reels - my first set of 'mature brand' carp reels. The look of the Obsidians and the fact that they are lighter makes them attractive. Want to pair them to my 10ft Fox X3 rods mainly for boat angling; and they seem great if I need to cast fair distances. Also heard that the cranking power on these are great!
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Hi all.
Apologies for hi-jacking this thread, have any Obsidian users found the front drag too quick on these reels, I had a look at them at a show and they look a decent reel for the money.
Is there an after market dodge, to slow them down by adding washers or such like?
Thanks.
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In reply to Post #49
Not what you asked but close:
I have the Obsidian's (only recently) and the INC 6000's on smaller rods.
From what I have seen side by side the Obsidians seem a far superior build, but then again they are a lot more expensive.
I also have the Okuma LS 6K reels which I've had a used a lot over the last 3 or 4 years and they have been really good, the Obsidians seem a nice step up though on first impressions!
I've previously owned mainly Shimano and Daiwa reels but honestly don't feel like I'm missing out.
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In reply to Post #50
Thanks for your insight! Strange that the Obsidian isn't a popular reel, unless I'm living under a rock  . Might change soon
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In reply to Post #49
Hi, been using Shimano ultra XTE for a while and much prefer the obsidians. Super Smooth and light. Also got the Okuma Rockaway 6000 which is the sea version of the INC with more bearings etc. Again really good but the obsidians are definitely better, quick drag and super smooth.
Will be retiring the XTE's as the obsidians are a far better reel as far as I'm concerned
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I'm considering the Obsidian's or INC 8000's. Anyone experienced both? Is the premium on the Obsidians worth it?
I was considering secondhand Ultegra 5500's but reviews of the Okuma's look promising.
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In reply to Post #45
Had the XTE’s and prefer the Tidal XT’s personally.
Smoother and no line getting stuck behind the spools which I found was an issue in the shimmi’s.
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In reply to Post #46
Several places doing sets of 3 for £450. Take a look on eBay
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I would be ripping someones arm off at 150 for an obsidian, love mine. where are they listed at this price?
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In reply to Post #1
At £150 your better off buying Shimano 14k xte's no doubt.
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In reply to Post #41
Also don’t discount the Penn Tidal or Vantage XT
Fantastic reels IMO
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In reply to Post #41
I paid for my Daiwa ’23 Emblem 35 SCW QD £124.
Came from Shimano 140000 XTE before that I had XTD and XTC, Shimano never again but Daiwa 23 Emblem is 100% worth its money.
Had the chance to buy the Obsidians at £107 last year but wasn't convinced when I compared them to the Daiwa's
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I went from ultegra ci4 xtb to the obsidian no regrets at all
Lightweight lovely smooth clutch
More than happy and a bargain at the price I paid
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In reply to Post #37
If the Okuma had a Shimano or a Daiwa badge on it,it would be twice the price at least.The Obsidian is a seriously good reel especially for the price
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In reply to Post #37
Absolutely nothing wrong with okuma been using them since the early 90s
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In reply to Post #37
Okuma has a very good name for reliability and quality.
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In reply to Post #37
I've got an old Okuma baitrunner reel I bought when I was 14/15 years old, I'm 41 now and the reel is still working fine.
I've used INC 6000's ( still have a pair ) and more recently the LSK reels which have been faultless. I switched from Shimano and Daiwa and certainly haven't felt like I am missing out hence my interest in the these ones.
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I saw the Okuma Obsidian reels whilst I was fishing the other day. I think the company is owned by Rapala who also now owns Dynamite baits. I was very impressed with them and they are super smooth and incredibly light. I am debating whether to switch from my Ci4 XTCs to these but the name puts me off. Shimano have the reputation for quality reels whereas Okuma don't - certainly not at the moment! Anybody made the switch from either Daiwa or shiimano?
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In reply to Post #32
I second this, bought a set shortly after they came out as fancied a change from the ci4's, I prefer the obsidians, butter smooth with a great clutch, superb line lay and amazingly light.
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In reply to Post #33
My mates got a set and had a go with at the weekend and superb reel, if I didn't use the original Shimano XT10000 techniums I would buy a set in a heartbeat 👍
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Hi All,
Any further reviews on these?
I've currently got a set of Okuma LS-8K's but thinking these would be a significant upgrade on those which have served me very well for the last 4/5 years.
Thanks!
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Mid term review now I’ve had them a while.
I really like them, I’ve got used to the quicker drag, I now know each click does make a difference and I can count clicks to set the clutch when putting on the rests.
They’re lovely and smooth in the fight, my favourite thing about them though is how light they are! I’ll be keeping hold of these long term now, I’ve been a switcher in the past, but I can’t be dealing with all that I’m happy with these. I would recommend these to anyone thinking of Daiwa or Shimano etc they’re much better than those in the bracket.
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In reply to Post #19
I've now used mine for a couple of sessions and they are superb. Bought mostly for long range work abroad, I decided to put them on my pike rods in place of Entoh's. The Okumas are half the price of the Entoh's but perform twice as well.
Super smooth and for me the clutch speed is just right. Not to mention how light they are and the fact you get a spare spool with them. Also, like the method to fold the reel handle (similar to Basias). I really used to struggle loosening the screw on the Entohs on a cold day. Big thumbs up from me.
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In reply to Post #29
No idea m8 think its just preorder at the mo
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In reply to Post #28
These look interesting, Any idea when they are available?
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In reply to Post #1
Just to throw a spanner in the works and give another option to check out; these have not long been released - look alright on paper
PennVantageXT
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In reply to Post #26
Yep totally agree
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In reply to Post #22
Strange, have been using Shimano reels for the last 45 years, and think the XTE series is great, have been using them since their introduction, no problems whatever, excellent price-quality ratio,
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In reply to Post #24
Think I will have a look as well, that was about the same turn on my shimano, if so, sounds perfect 👍🏻
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In reply to Post #21
XTE are my 5th pair of Shimano reels that I have had over the past 30 years and the XTE are the first that I am not satisfied with at all, the Shimano reels I had before the XTE were the XTD price quality okay I didn't expect too much from them, but the XTE is not worth the Ci4 label imo a lot of plastic and the line safety guard is also a joke.
With the XTE it is also the first time that I am not comfortable when I cast far , had 1 time where the line safety guard simply popped out together with the spool when hitting my rod very hard (+130 yard)...
Daiwa '23 Emblem 35 SCW QD is on it's way also
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In reply to Post #19
I've now replaced the carbon washers with felt ones supplied by Andy at Weston, has now reduced the drag from the 2-3 clicks to about 1/2-3/4 of a turn much happier.
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In reply to Post #21
Was thinking the same???
I have the 14000 XTEs and they are superb.
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In reply to Post #20
What's up with the shimano xte reels?
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I'm still unsure about the Okuma Obsedian 120000 now that I've seen the Daiwa '23 Emblem 35 SCW QD
I really want to get rid of my Shimano XTE 14000 quickly 
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In reply to Post #11
Still haven’t caught anything to really test the clutch out, it is a bit quick, but the weight of these reels is unbelievable, and casting seems to be a breeze, it just seems to fly off the spool! Very glad I bought them 🙌🏼
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In reply to Post #17
Last year i bought my 85'' tv €560 cheaper in october vs 25 november black friday price
Think i gonne order the Okuma Obesdian reels now
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In reply to Post #16
I read somewhere that nearly all black Friday deal prices had been cheaper in the weeks prior to black friday
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Omg, they're now €147.46 (£127,94) in that German store and it's not even Black Friday...
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In reply to Post #14
only gripe is how quick the drag is, if it was another quarter of turn they'd be absolutely perfect and at £160 a reel an absolute steal.
i am going to look into replacing the carbon washers with regular felt ones at an attempt of slowing the drag down, it is currently a lovely and smooth drag though, so hopefully felt doesnt ruin that.
i do really rate them though, absolutely perfect size, nice deep spools with line reducers, extremely smooth, lightweight, don't feel flimsy, had zero issues with line behind the spools.
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I purchased a set, used them for my first fishing trip to France, had 10 fish upto 46lb, these reels not only looked brilliant, they performed great, great line lay, clutch does have a fast response and I didn't have any issues playing them with the clutch doing its job,, smooth as silk for me, I'm not the most experienced as had shimano XTD before and fancied a change.
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In reply to Post #12
Would this be a good idea with the carbon washers they use?
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In reply to Post #11
Maybe you could try adding a little more/different grease to increase the range?
Im looking forward to getting a set of these to fish pits near me
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In reply to Post #10
Little update, as I’ve been out on the bank with them, wasn’t casting at all though, few flicks and poling out rigs.
The reels look and feel great on the rod, I have them paired with customised Aircurves, the balance on these are perfect, they’re unbelievably light, but robust feeling too, my only negative which I think would be most peoples positive, is I think the clutch is a bit too quick, I’d rather a half a turn from tight to loose, these are around a quarter of a turn, but each click makes a difference!
Hope that next time I’m out, I can do some casting, and catch one or two, if anyone’s interested, I’ll update again afterwards.
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I have just bought these, sold my Penn Affinity III’s for them, when I receive them, I’ll report back, should be out on the bank with them this weekend coming too.
Seen and heard good things, so let’s hope it’s a good swap!
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In reply to Post #8
I'm not sure on that but if Tony at Future Fishing rates these Okumas they must be a very good reel
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In reply to Post #7
Also better then the Ultegra CI4+ XTC because thats the next on my list.
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In reply to Post #5
Told you a load of ******** then,Okuma are better than the cheaper shimano range
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In reply to Post #5
Nothing wrong with okuma have had 2 sets of the interceptors for years no probs the poweliners ive had a number of years, inceptions i have also no probs.
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I was tempted to buy a set of Okuma Obsidian, but a few carp tackle shops and other carp fishers told me that Okuma reels are not of the same quality level as Shimano/Daiwa, so I decided to keep the 14,000 XTE.
After playing a few fish on the XTE, still not completely satisfied with the reels, on one of them the line guard flew out while casting, and yes the spool was turned all the way down, and now i always have to turn the spool once after casting to get it loose again, I'll have to take it to a Shimano center soon.
On paper the Okuma Obsidian 12000 looks top, but I still hesitate to buy them to replace the XTE
I can buy them at a shop in Germany near me in Belgium for 162.22 (£140.80) which seems like a fair price to me
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In reply to Post #3
I'm sure he's sold them, curious to know why tbh as they seem good on paper
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In reply to Post #1
Citykoi on here had a set im sure he would tell you what he thinks
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In reply to Post #1
https://youtu.be/zkyyp8gSBiM?si=zxmZzilrn20rzjio
https://youtu.be/WVYOehrrymI?si=poYt-rgbYYpb6poZ
https://youtu.be/zQ9-wPwm14M?si=8fhow6mAaz4oB-Yt
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Thinking of changing from my 10 year old ultegra ci4 xtb reels and seen the obsidian reels whos spec seem too good for the money - any owners confirm what they are like
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