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ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #34 31 Oct 2023 at 3.49pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #33
Spot on. The loop does not slip.
Busted
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   Old Thread  #33 31 Oct 2023 at 3.00pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #29
The loop will never close on the cast, it'sa non-issue. Think about it. It takes pressure on both the hook and lead to close the loop. On the cast the resistance is on the bait
frothey
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frothey
   Old Thread  #32 30 Oct 2023 at 9.09pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #31
Plenty strong enough. Like Joss said, makes tying combi’s a doddle
RPCARPY
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RPCARPY
   Old Thread  #31 30 Oct 2023 at 5.33pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #30
have you been using the ones with the small ring fused on? How strong are they? That small ring worries me a bit but like the idea
Frenzy
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Frenzy
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   Old Thread  #30 30 Oct 2023 at 9.05am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #29
re the Gemini booms for this rig, ive recently been using them. massively impressed with them and makes tying them up even easier.
jimimak
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jimimak
   Old Thread  #29 25 Oct 2023 at 10.45am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
To stop it slipping use either a short length of silicon tubing or one of the many Kickers. They're resistive enough to stop the loop closing on a cast, but, will often close if you "get done" - or at least that's my belief.

You can easily change the hook by sliding the kicker of silicon tubing off.

Also, an alternative to using an Albright - you can use a boom section with a small ring crimped on, or Gemini do some booms with small rings fused on the end for attaching short braided loops for multi-rigs
SamB
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   Old Thread  #28 29 Sept 2023 at 9.18am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #26
Probably makes no difference in the real world but theoretically in terms of mechanics for a pop-up version I prefer having a supple bit between the weight and the stiff bit, this is what replaces the swivel in allowing the curved stiff part to spin.
shockleader
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shockleader
   Old Thread  #27 29 Sept 2023 at 9.00am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #26
I tried using a hook bead but still didn't really like it. I changed over from 20lb Mouthtrap to 30lb TA Recoil and it behaves much better. No chance of the D moving now. And if you give the rig a good tug, pulling the micro ring swivel down to the eye, it makes a handy kink in the D that looks really good. I'll give it a go this weekend. Thank for all the advice.
Greekskii
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Greekskii
   Old Thread  #26 28 Sept 2023 at 7.39pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #23
I thought this is what we were talking about with the hinged multi rig all along. This is what I use but the putty is over the knot with the uncoated section behind that and as mentioned a hook bead on the hook to trap the loop in place. On hard bottoms ill over weight the pop up. Produces some real solid hook holds.
SamB
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   Old Thread  #25 28 Sept 2023 at 6.29pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #23
Yep thats it, but for a bottom bait I give the end of the stiff section (wherre the knot is) a bend like a kicker and I use a wide gape or longshank hook so the d rig is locked in place.
CityKoi
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CityKoi
   Old Thread  #24 28 Sept 2023 at 5.41pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #23
Yes I like that alot
carpe_diem
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carpe_diem
   Old Thread  #23 28 Sept 2023 at 4.42pm  0  Login    Register
I’ll throw this into the mix although I fish it with only a small area of uncoated braid and putty mounted round the knot

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carpstar40
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carpstar40
   Old Thread  #22 28 Sept 2023 at 2.31pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #20
And caught me a 35 linear & repeat 37 mirror from my syndicate a few weeks ago, the 35 linear is the reason for joining back in 2014.
CityKoi
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CityKoi
   Old Thread  #21 28 Sept 2023 at 1.22pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #20
Million per cent confidence in this rig right now.
SamB
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   Old Thread  #20 28 Sept 2023 at 12.14pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #19

In which case it is a stiff hinge rig.
carpstar40
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carpstar40
   Old Thread  #19 28 Sept 2023 at 11.35am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #18
although Mark does mention he also uses it for pop-ups without the aggressive angle behind the crimp.
SamB
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   Old Thread  #18 28 Sept 2023 at 10.54am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #17
Similar of course.
The mecano rig is basically a bottom bait version of a stiff hinge rig, bent hook rig, whatever.
Essentially the same a noodle rig, but allowing to change the hook. I prefer a combi version as opposed to mecano, but it is the same thing.
carpstar40
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carpstar40
   Old Thread  #17 28 Sept 2023 at 10.24am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #16
Stiff boom section, stiff hooklink section forming a D for quick change of the hook, rig ring swivel or bait screw, it's pretty close I'd say, apart from the two beads either side of the hook eye and the way you have attached it to the ring swivel the mechano rig is essentially a stiff hinge rig.
CityKoi
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CityKoi
   Old Thread  #16 28 Sept 2023 at 9.02am  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #14
Thanks. I don't think its anything like the mechano rig, it's just a hinge rig but you change the hook
carpstar40
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carpstar40
   Old Thread  #15 28 Sept 2023 at 7.50am  0  Login    Register
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You completed 99% of adding the picture, you have added a link to img BB all you have to do is once uploaded click on the links for full http below the pic you have uploaded hit the copy box top right hand corner of the link paste into your reply and voila the picture appears as opposed to the img bb web page link.
carpstar40
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carpstar40
   Old Thread  #14 28 Sept 2023 at 7.40am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #13
There you go

RIG

Marks Mechano rig springs to mind


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CityKoi
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CityKoi
   Old Thread  #13 27 Sept 2023 at 6.33pm  2  Login    Register
In reply to Post #12
I have a picture of mine if anyone can add it on here for me. This is link to picture..an esp balance bead fits snug over crimp tight to ring
click here
nicky_napkins
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nicky_napkins
   Old Thread  #12 27 Sept 2023 at 1.52pm  0  Login    Register
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We need a picture..🙂
Greekskii
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   Old Thread  #11 27 Sept 2023 at 12.55pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
I've been using this rig for about 7/8yrs now, before I saw it publicised anywhere. I use a hook bead to trap the loop on the hook. Sometimes they need replacing because they slip after a bit of use but i've normally binned the hook by that point.
Incredibly effective rig I have found, I started using the loop on chod rigs too.
RPCARPY
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RPCARPY
   Old Thread  #10 27 Sept 2023 at 12.26pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #7
I do this but I cut an ESP hook grip bead in half and use one either side, or just on the side nearest the ring swivel. Works well!
Darkieallard
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   Old Thread  #9 27 Sept 2023 at 7.38am  0  Login    Register
I've used Julian Cundiff's take on the multi rig for some time using 25lb skinlink which is quiet stiff .
Riggy
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Riggy
   Old Thread  #8 27 Sept 2023 at 6.43am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
If you are using a boilie/pop up 13-15mm I would guess the 'loop' will not slip during the cast due to the wind drag created by the hook bait pulling towards the bend of the hook? I'm not a genius in physics but that's my take on it.

Michael
CityKoi
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CityKoi
   Old Thread  #7 26 Sept 2023 at 6.26pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
I've mentioned this on here before. This is all I use for my pop ups and I've still never lost a fish on it. Although I use it with a conventional stiff boom and ring swivel. For security and peace of mind I put a small korda hook bead one side and the larger one they do on the other side. Absolutely no chance it moving until you hook a fish. Then the hook ring swivel pulls tight against the large hook bead which also helps prevent any damage to the loop agains the eye.And can re use all the components. Maybe overkill to some, but works for me.

Just to add I use the esp chod hammer Hooks.
ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #6 26 Sept 2023 at 3.34pm  2  Login    Register
In reply to Post #5
Those style hooks are better for the multi than a chod hook anyway imo
SamB
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   Old Thread  #5 26 Sept 2023 at 2.20pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
I have been messing about with this type of hook attachment, albeit not necessarily a pop up rig. With the stiff material, if you use a straight or slightly in-turned eye as opposed to a chod-type hook, the loop is locked in position. You might say it closes the gape, but only by the thickness of the line for a straight eye, barely more for an in-turned eye.
mark1009
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   Old Thread  #4 26 Sept 2023 at 1.42pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #3
Sorry i misunderstood the question. You could trim a piece of pva foam to put in the d on the cast if it helps your confidence in the d not closing on the cast. You could try a small piece of suitably size tubing over the hook eye. Have to test it and see what works best.
shockleader
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shockleader
   Old Thread  #3 26 Sept 2023 at 11.52am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #2
Thanks. I've seen this before and it's not what I'm trying to achieve. I want a very stiff section for the pop up to help with anti ejection. I've just seen a Mark Pitchers video on youtube (Mark Pitchers Hinge Rig) that is similar actually, but he ties the stiff section to a ring swivel rather than using a knot.
mark1009
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   Old Thread  #2 26 Sept 2023 at 11.44am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #1
Look at the mike holly rig video on you tube.
shockleader
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shockleader
   Old Thread  #1 26 Sept 2023 at 11.31am  0  Login    Register
With the ever popular spinner rig being used everywhere I've been looking at alternatives that offer similar advantages. (Quick change of hook, low lying pop up, 360 movement etc)
I was playing around with a combi rig last night comprising of doubled over 20lb mouth trap pushed over the hook multi style, albright knotted to coated braid. I like the look of the presentation, but can't get my head around the loop slipping out of position. Does anyone in here use this presentation? Any advice please?
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