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In reply to Post #110
Thanks Alex so glad you happy with them.
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i bought 2 ballista 10ft stalkers 2.75 from jeffire and am absolutely delighted with them (thanks btw) - i also use freespirit ES and happy with those too. the former seem to have notably more 'through action' than the latter 
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My freespirit ES are fantastic for playing fish. I also have the hi-s which are great rods, but the ES have such great feel.
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Free spirit hi's 3lb lovely to play fish.
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In reply to Post #103
I'm not after a players rod per se, more like my Free spirit XPR. There's no information on these rods anywhere, although I was told that they stopped making them 15 years ago. If anyone wants to look then I put a video on the well known site titled "Century armalite MK2 vs Free spirit XPR test curves. The difference in action is apparent but I actually prefer the XPR, even though the curve on my armalite is glorious! I'm guessing a 2.5 torrix will be similar to the XPR?
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In reply to Post #105
I do apologise yes the Torrix 2.25 would be fine they are totally different to the 2.5 if rung properly.
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In reply to Post #103
Why the u-turn from your comment on Post #2 . . .?
I have Torrix 12' 2.25 as my barbel weapons of choice and they would def make good players rods . . .
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In reply to Post #102
I got 12ft 2.75lb NG's myself after having SP's for years.
I loved them, perfect for putting a 3oz lead over 100metres (!), and for playing fish on.
If I hadn't stupidly snapped the tip of one in the car door I'd still be using them.
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In reply to Post #100
If you are after players rods on harrison blanks forget torrix. You need to be looking at accurix ballistas or multi carp range.
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I have 4 Century NGs 2.75lb and they are perfection in terms of players rods great snag fishing rods too
had a great deal of big fish on them up to 68lb the action is superb
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In reply to Post #100
Maybe the Harrison Ballista is worth considering
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In reply to Post #40
Hi, hope its ok to resurrect an old thread. This is exactly how I feel with regards to the rods I'm trying to find to replace my 24 year old armalite mk2's. They've gotten springy and I want something that has a bit more poke lower down. 12ft 2.5 torrix looks like a contender.
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In reply to Post #19
surprised to only find one mention of the FBS, super rods right up to the 3.5lb TC - don't be put off.. it's all about the action 
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After 6 weeks of trying to order the rods through the tackle company here in the us, I contacted Johnson Ross and they shipped 2 free spirit es over for me (great customer service shipped on the Tuesday was here on the Thursday) and another month of blanking I finally got to us them this weekend. Had 4 fish a 20 and 2 doubles that all fought really hard and I can say how impressed I was with them they was a pleasure to use and made my old 10 foot Sonik rods feel like broom handles. Thank you for everyone suggestions and input, I'm so pleased with them you can see and feel the quality and my casting seems to be more accurate we then haven't used them above 60 yards so can't comment on casting distance.
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In reply to Post #96
I've edited it just any case some took it seriously
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In reply to Post #93
42 days
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In reply to Post #93
Looks like someones enjoyed their bank holiday.
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In reply to Post #93
Are you deliberately taking the piss, or have you taken too much of your medication? Either way you are deluded.
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I've had fish that come in like a plastic bag and I've had fish that fight hard. In 30 years I've had two hook pulls that resulted in having part of the fishes lip on my hook now it's hardly a gentle sport and that upset me however in my book that's pretty good. The fish was more than lively. I could have bullied the fish in and managed steer it clear of the potential snags it tried to get into.
To judge me without even being there is madness I was surrounded by good anglers and no one stated differently than well done. No issue with hook hold. I was always taught that you should allow the fish to tire itself out., can't help the fact this particular fish was awesome.
I don't want to be rude probably not very good at considering my approach personally I think that time it takes to get a fish in depends on the fish and situation. My Grandad father played an 18lb Salmon for just under an hour.
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In reply to Post #89
Baby ballistas 2.5 are the best players rods you will ever use. Stupidly sold my originals as fancied a change. Got century fbs, then free spirit es, then hi-a 3lb but nothing felt right. Now have had a new set of baby ballista and am happy again. You will not find a nicer players rod out there.
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In reply to Post #88
Dwarf in 3.00lb, 3.25 is to stiff (+2021 models)
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In reply to Post #87
Thanks to all.
Due to brexit, it will be hard for me to have a go at the ballista.
I have found a dwarf cork in 10ft 3,25lbs in the shop here, but they dont have the 2,75lbs in stock.
I had a play with The 3,25 and it is too stiff for what i want.
to have a good idea, If someone have used the old fox stalker 12ft 2,25lbs, i want a rod like this just a bit more powerfull, between this one and an old NG 2,75lbs would be perfect !
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In reply to Post #85
Fantastic but not 10 foot and they dont do a 2.75 tc
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In reply to Post #82
I've got 2.75 9 foot dwarfs. Bought for my son for when he was about 10 or 11.
We went together for an overnight on Wed this week.
One of his rods went off, but immediatly towards bushes
So I dealt with that while he got his other rod in. As its a very
Tight overgrown swim.
Anyway to stop that fish with prejudice I was side pulling that little rod and it was bent almost double. Pretty sure it was snagged up. So let it go slack felt some movement and knocks
And gradually applied more pressure again with a full curve on
Well he netted it. And it weighed 16lb... LOL
Fair old scrap.
3 hours later I had a 29lb common on my Fresspirit XS and was glad not to be on the Dwarfs. As my swim wasn't much easier to play with.
I find the dwarfs a bit creaky etc. But can't deny they can make smaller carp feel like a drama.
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In reply to Post #84
11ft baby B in 2.75 would be nice
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In reply to Post #82
Save up and get the harrison 10ft 2.75 stalker ballista blank or look for them second hand.
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Daiwa cast"izm or Nash dwarf.
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In reply to Post #81
What is on the market actually in 10ft that is a true player rod ?
My son want to go with me, and i want to buy a set of 10ft rods that he can use and enjoy a little carp on.
I dont need to cast far (max 60meters) .
I have had a look in 2 shop and all are beetween 3 and 3.5lbs and seems too stiff for my liking.
I currently fish with 12ft 3lbs torrix since 12years and want a softer rod, a bit like my old century ng 12ft 2.75lbs.
I dont have a big budget for them so 100 or 120 per rod would be the max
Thanks
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In reply to Post #80
50% more is a good bit more 12ft 3.5tc and 12ft 9inch 3.5tc distance models.
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In reply to Post #1
ESP terry Hearn rods are great players and will Chuck a lead 100 yards, not great for much more though
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Century 2.75 mk3 armalite.
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In reply to Post #76
Spot on, hence my earlier posts (40 and 42) about rods that don't go too mushy in the butt section.
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In reply to Post #71
I'm guessing you didn't really play it for 40 mins, and was just making a point. 
If I'm wrong, you need to consider your technique, and \ or packing up fishing.
No fish should be played that long. 'BAD Angling'
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In reply to Post #74
Mine are the 12ft 3lbtc and there lovely rods.
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In reply to Post #1
My second set of rods i use when fishing margins and distances upto 80 yds are Terry Hearns ESP classics.
12.9 and 3.25 tc. They feel quite soft after using hi s ives and are a joy to play fish on. Stunning rids too.
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Agreed. Under normal circumstances that's and unnecessarily long time.
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In reply to Post #68
Nearly three quarter's of an hour playing a 25 pounder is outright bad angling.
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In reply to Post #70
You might as well pack up and take up golf if you think its cruel to play a fish for a longer period of time. Do you think sticking a hook in them and dragging them straight in is any better! Its no different.
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I think there can be a line crossed between sport and cruelty when playing a fish for any length of time.
Although it may feel like sport for us to have a lovely bend in the rod and move the fish around like a dog on a lead, let's not forget that poor fish is fighting for its life. It doesn't know it's only going to have a lay down on a soft mat and a photo. In my opinion 40 mins is far too long too have a fish in that level of extreme stress just so that we can feel the pleasure of a bendy rod. Relatively speaking a 2.5lb TC Torrix is hardly a soft rod. With that rod we should be able to bring a fish to the bank in a sensible amount of time before it's so exhausted it gives up. Some of these fish are 40 years old.
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In reply to Post #68
If it took 40 minutes to land a 25lber you ain't got a fishing rod, you got a piece of spaghetti. 
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In reply to Post #1
I have a set of Torrix 2.5lb Tc and they are a delight to fish with had a 25lb Mirror that I played for 40 minute whilst wearing waders and the rods have landed fish over 50lb can cast a baited rig 100 plus yards a true delight imo.
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In reply to Post #1
Free Spirit ES (12ft 2 3/4).
I've been using mine for 16 years. Great rods that I use for everything up to 100 yards. Very forgiving, cast well when needed, very good with zigs and super nice to play fish on. Several people are calling them out and for good reason - widely accepted as the best rods in their class. I use the Hi S ive ER for everything else
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In reply to Post #65
I use nothing but FS ES, they're not what I'd call a true players rod, lovely rod to play fish on none the less and absolutely fantastic for in the boat action. I say they're not a true players rod because they do stiffen up progressively very fast in my opinion.
Graphenes are lovely rods in lower test curves but no way I'd have the alps seats on them, absolutely ruins them
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ESP Vertex Distance rods are my weapon of choice.
Ultra slim blank, lovely through action, and the tip is a delight with a fish close in doing its best to shed the hook.
Good in the lower TC's but don't be put off by the higher TC's. I have the 3.25's - lovely responsive all rounders that just feel right. I also have a set of 3.75's for bag or distance work but even these are ultra responsive.
I'd say 3.25's are spot on for most uses other than extreme distance.
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In reply to Post #62
I bought about 10 of the tfg x series marker rod, they were 3.25 and brilliant rods for Ł35 each.
I had 4 to fish with and one for a marker, and mates had the others.
The 6" and 12" marks were easily removed from the fishing rods, lovely fishing rods.
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In reply to Post #62
My son had them when I had the spirit xs's, agree not the same but he preferred them.
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In reply to Post #59
If you remember the crazy Fishtec and TFG sales
I had either 2 or 3 x series rods and was picking them up
With the sales and the mad EXTRAA20 20 quids off etc
I dont think I paid.more than 50 each in total.
Then it went a but crazy for them. Sold them on at the same social I got the 3 Free-spirit XS rods. I think I got 300 for the x series or 200 for two and paid 500 for the XS
At the time many were saying that they had the same blank. Well 20 of us looked them over that day and the conclusion was that it was ballacks.
They feel completely different with fish on too.
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In reply to Post #57
Chris did in post 14 
Was about to sell mine as I haven't used them for a long time, but I think I will hold on to them.
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In reply to Post #58
i.ve owned ballistas and armalites and ng's and free spirit es. the free spirit's are the best of that bunch but they are all pretty decent.
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In reply to Post #58
I came so close to buying a set when they were available but went for Wychwood SPD's Equinox's instead (also a lovely rod) but always look back at the TFG X-Series with fondness
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In reply to Post #57
Blast from the past, this describes my kit perfectly 
Old stuff, but classics of their time, and still good even now.
I wouldn't go as far as saying I'm a retro tackle tart though 
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In reply to Post #53
The tfg x series in 2.75 are sweet rods.
proper blast from the past
Im surprised noone mentioned Terry Hearn MK1 2lb 90z .... Quite a heavy blank but lovely action
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In reply to Post #55
Oh probably not. I was replying to.Mozzi
If I want a small carp to be a right handful I can always use
My 2.75 Dwarf rods. Complete with flat spots, Jerky action
and creaking.
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In reply to Post #54
the XS is definitely not a players rod certainly when compared to the ES
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In reply to Post #47
I have the Free spirit XS. Bought a set of 3
About 12 years ago from a forum.members tart mate
That had used them once while.waiting for some customs.
Best 500.quid I ever spent.
Despite their 3.25tc rating I find them amazing rods for actually playing a fish in.
Last week at a well.stocked water I had well over 30 maybe
40 fish. From 6 or 7lb to mid 20s. Never bumped one.
I dont think I've lost.more.than 2 or 3 fish since I've had them
What I also like is when you have something bigger on you always feel the rod will absorb anything. I've had a clutch stick,
Or a.line get wrapped. Even played two at a time, the rods just handle it.
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The tfg x series in 2.75 are sweet rods.
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In reply to Post #51
I'm not disagreeing with you,go on his site,look up rod components-blanks and scroll down. They're mentioned but nowt comes up, your word is good with me.
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In reply to Post #50
I can assure you he does,nt as far as i know i bought the last 50 blanks ever produced and that was some years ago
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In reply to Post #49
Calvin hancock might still do them,it's on his site but I can't link
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In reply to Post #48
No they were a wychwood blank that anyone who knew out about rod blanks bought from them.
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In reply to Post #46
i dont think there is anything in their range now like the SPD?
werent they not a wychwood blank but something else they built on?
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So my two pennies worth is rods soften over time and a set of ten year old infinities for example will feel completely different to the same set built the same day of left unused in perfect sealed condition.
I have some XS free spirits which seem to bend from the handle, certain I'd class them as a players rod, but I bought them second hand about 14 years ago maybe more so it's subjective
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The closest i have ever found to the action of a baby ballista was the original whychwood maximiser spd , they are/were a joy to use.
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In reply to Post #44
Totally different action to the es, its actually a firm progressive blank, nothing like a parabolic players rod. Think anyone used to a ballista would find the es a poker.
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In reply to Post #43
Im a free spirit man and the ES is my favourite in the range as a players rod
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In reply to Post #39
i love mine!
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In reply to Post #41
I'd agree that the 2.75 ballista isnt exactly a "players" rod but using it as an example helps illustrate the difference between a rod with some lower down beef as opposed to a rod that might be too floppy.
I did say it's more of an all rounder players rod, not a true "through action" in the old Avon style.
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In reply to Post #40
Funny you should say that as I don't even think of my 2 3/4tc Ballistas as 'players' rods.
I've currently got 2 1/4tc Multicarp, 2 1/2tc Baby Ballistas, 2 3/4tc Ballistas, Nick Buss X-lites and Nick Buss X-Lite S's. The only ones I consider to be true 'players'rods are the Multicarp and Baby Ballistas. The others are nice enough to play fish on, but nothing like the other two.
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I quite like softer rods but can't stand mushy rods.
There needs to be some measure of progression as the rod curves through the blank and a bit of steel in the butt section.
I'd say the best all round players rod is something like a Harrison Ballista 2.75, they will whack a lead, can chuck a modest pva bag, will give lots of feel and action with a fish on but also retain some power deep down.
No doubt the more modern versions such as a torrix (2.5 - 2.75) will give similar results.
I did have Harrison Multicarp 2lb and although they were lovely and through action, a joy to play fish on, etc, they were very limited as the butt were too soft. Like a wet noodle 
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In reply to Post #38
Everyone should experience what its like to fish with a bb, wonderful blanks.
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In reply to Post #24
i havent measured the casting of mine (i use leads up to 1.5/2oz and occationally lob tiny PVA bags)
mine are paired with SS2600 so id say 60 yards is comfy
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I can recommend the Harrison Acurix in 3lb.
I have been using them for 3 yrs now, I absolutely love the parabolic action they have.
I generally fish up to 80yrds out but have managed casts of 135mtrs + with relative ease. These rods are not designed for this but I was curious..
It is a big outlay, especially considering importing them, so I wouldn't recommend them if I didn't think you would appreciate using them given your comments regarding your desire for a players rod.
I own and use the original Century NG in 3.5 and 2.25 - both are fantastic rods, famed for their actions - the Acurix, for me, is just that little bit more of a joy to use, even in 3lb.
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In reply to Post #33
Yes, that was how I found the X Lite, light and crisp but relatively stiff in the butt rather than a parabolic action.
Does Nick not supply the X Lite range anymore?
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In reply to Post #34
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In reply to Post #33
You'd probably be best off speaking directly to century as I'm sure they supplied all nick Buss blanks?
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In reply to Post #32
The S is a basically a stepped up version, I don't think Nick did those in 2.75tc.
The beauty of the X lite is that it almost has the action of a stick float rod, stiffish butt section and soft tip.
And yes, the non S version had a cross weave on them.
I'd love to know what the closest version to the X lite is, in terms of modern rods. Anybody any thoughts?
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Stupidly sold a set of 2.75 X-Lites a few years back. Have to say that although they were great rods, light and crisp and super accurate on the cast I didn't feel they had a real parabolic through action ‘players rod' type feel. Is there a difference between the ‘S' model?
Mine had a sort of cross weaved wrap on them.
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Thanks everyone for the advice I'm gonna see if I can special order the acurix or the free spirit es there is only really one major online retailer for carp tackle in the USA if not maybe I can see if Johnson Ross can ship them to me.
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In reply to Post #28
Remember I'll buy yours if you ever want to sell that pair. Bring your cup tomorrow 
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In reply to Post #28
Agree. Just had my X-Lite S' rebuilt. They are beautiful to use and I can't let go of them.
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In reply to Post #25
My Nick Buss X Lites S are still my favourite rod to play fish on, wish I had a set of 3
Currently using Century SP SU, I can cast a mile but nowhere near as pleasurable to play fish on 
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In reply to Post #1
The two best players rods ive owned are the free spirit es which are superb and now currently have 2.5 century stealth graphenes which are also superb, the action on them is an absolute dream to play fish on and they will still wack a 2.5oz lead well over 100 yards.
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In reply to Post #1
If you don't want a 'stiff rod' just buy a lower test curve?
I don't get it when people say a 'Rod is too stiff'
If you compare a through action rod (players rod) to a fast taper rod (casting rod), both same Test Curve, the former will feel stiffer.
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In reply to Post #1
Nick Buss X Lite 12ft 2.75tc. Wonderful rods. I have a set of 3.25 S which are a better all round rod, but the 2.75 are bliss to play fish on, especially on braid.
Century NG... yuk. Had some 3.5tc of those. Blooming awful rods in every way. I suspect the lighter versions must have been better but the 3.5tc were far too soft.
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In reply to Post #18
Yes i agree the baby ballistas are fantastic fish playing rods but i know alot of people that cant cast 100yds with them.
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Can only vouch for the Harrison Acurix, absolutely love mine in 3lb tc, I'm sure the 2.75's would be even more of a dream to play fish in on
I've only ever needed to cast 90 yards with them, and done this with plenty of room spare for more.
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In reply to Post #20
Yes,joint not spigot.
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In reply to Post #19
I assume you mean an overfit joint? A spigot joint is something different.
The Harrison rods that I have owned have had overfit joints. The few Century rods I've had have been spigot jointed
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In reply to Post #16
13ft Armalites were Century's original distance rods,how times change.
Century FBS are their players rods now.
OP, you're looking for a 'progressive action' in the current vernacular, what was called a compound taper. Look for something with overfit joints. Harrison range are that.
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In reply to Post #1
mk1 2.25 11ft powermesh
11 2.5 11ft Baby Ballista
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In reply to Post #15
Certainly do
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In reply to Post #1
Have always heard good things of Century Armalite rods to play fish on. Never handled one myself though.
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In reply to Post #13
Odd choice as those have very different actions.
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In reply to Post #1
Best player rods I ever used were the esp mk1 Terry hearns 12ft 2.9tc, absolute joy to use 👍
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Free spirit es or the harrison acurrix, either would be a good choice.
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In reply to Post #10
That's all that needs to be said.
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Free spirit s-range es is the ideal rod for what you are looking for
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Regardless of the manufacturer of the make of rod you buy, it's the action of the rod that is most important. Most carp rods these days seem to be fast action and when playing a fish, only the tip end bends.
I bought 3 Grey's pike 3lb test curve rods many years ago with a through action designed for casting deadbaits long distances without ripping the hooks out. Many a person has commented on how well they play fish when they see me landing one and very impressed. Especially when in the margin and the carp does a desperate lunge from the net, I just hold the rod, it bends almost to the butt without giving line, it stops the fish and the rod slowly straightens bringing the fish back to the net.
Fast taper and ultra fast taper rods are specialist tools, designed for putting leads and heavy weights a long distance and not so much for playing fish. Also hook pulls are a rarity with a through action with the rod so forgiving.
Basically, you need to look for a through action rod if you want a good playing action and take a different direction from what the manufacturers seem to think what we need along with "Beachcaster ringing" which also affects the playing action of a rod by the line not following the natural curvature of the bent rid but instead cutting across the arcs of the curvature.
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In reply to Post #8
You missed the paragraph above that states the current model is the NG+
“If you are a specialist – you will certainly have come across or heard of Century NG carp rod. The design has a heritage based on many years of success and in the current guise Century NG+ incorporates many small improvements which add up to probably one of the best all round carp rods ever made”
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In reply to Post #7
Over the past decade there have been several technical advances in composite fibre and resin matrix technology and the best of these have been incorporated into the NG. The carbon patterns are cut using a CAD CAM machine that holds extremely tight tolerances and this ensures the action and T/C is faithfully reproduced from rod to rod. Additionally NG's are subject to our Autoclave Technology curing process which significantly reduces test curve decay. New to the latest generation of NG's is Century's Anti Twist Technology – ATT – which involves winding very fine carbon fibre prepreg around the internal circumference of the blank which radically assists ring alignment during the cast.
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In reply to Post #6
The rods you can buy new now are NG+, a different blank to the original.
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In reply to Post #5
Still do them, tackle box and total fishing have them, don't think they do the 2.75tc any more though only 3lb su or 3.5tc.
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In reply to Post #4
Did they discontinue the ng I cannot see them anywhere do you know what replaced them?
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In reply to Post #1
I have used CENTURY NG 2.75 rods for many years
brilliant players rods had lots of big fish to 68lbs on them too extremely capable and a joy to play any size fish on
the English fifty pounder in my profile pic was from a tree that a storm had bought down and I fished close to it stopped the fish going into the snag no bother 
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In reply to Post #1
Free spirit es 2.75 pair on eBay
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In reply to Post #1
Without hesitation torrix 12ft 2.25 t.c . ( I have a pair in classifieds) Excellent players rod casting i can achieve way more than 100yds .Next on my list of recommendations would be Harrison accurix in any t.c.I cant comment on century rods or anything else unless its a harrison blank.
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I'm looking a set of rods for fishing up to a 100 yards but are a players rod a don't want anything stiff would sacrifice casting distance for a playing action, when I used to fish 10 years the average test was 2 3/4 now all I'm seeing are 3 1/2 and 3 3/4 test curve. I used to fish in England 10 years ago but moved to the USA 8 years ago and this spring started carp fishing again after finding out about spots near me. I have a set of 10 foot 3lb test sonik Vader rs rods right now and had fox warrior rods in England but now I'm looking for a high quality set of rods. The waters I fish are big rivers that are weedy and snaggy and I just recently found a 100 acre gravel pit, most of the time on rivers I am fishing around 10 yards out but want a rod that is capable of around 100 yards for the gravel pit. The river fish are hard fighting fish around 12lb - mid 20s with a chance of a 30lb fish so I want soft rods that I can use to keep the fish away from snags with out getting hook pulls. The reels I would be pairing these up to are penn affinity 7000 which I love, Carp tackle isn't as easy to get I can't go to a shop and would have to order online with limited selection I could get the following:
Century stealth graphene - 12 3 1/4 (heard these are a softer rod even In the 3 1/4 test curve)
Harrison ballista 12 foot 3lb
Harrison torrix all test curves (thinking 2 3/4)
Free spirit ctx
Harrison cerbera
The place I order from said they could special order from the brands and considering they gave century, Harrison and free spirit I could probably get a rod from them brands, if none of the above isn't something recommended.
Was thinking about the Harrison Acurix in 2 3/4 or 3lb test.
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