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I don't know why people worry so much about getting the exact distance to the nearest inch of your fishing mark to drop your spod on top of it to bait up accurately. Because in reality, you have more control over the exact range you want to cast by clipping up, but you have no control over how far to the left or right you are casting but nobody bothers about that.
So what is the point of crying you might me casting a foot or two past your mark when you may be a yard or two to the left or right or even more at long range, which in theory if your clipped up leads to baiting up a linear shape of bait on the bottom as opposed to a circular area. Unless your capable of managing to hit the exact spot to within an inch at any range on every cast.
If I can be bothered, I usually spod from the front of my swim which makes me bait up beyond my mark, then take a step or two back and carry on spodding or variations on this method. Or, just leave my marker float out and spod to it, left, right, short and beyond. And them methods will create a circular patch of bait on the bottom and your rig in the middle of it or off to the edge of the baited area depending on how you do it.
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In reply to Post #33
I use to in the 70,s but the worlds moved on 
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In reply to Post #34
Will beg to differ on that as bait up an area around tennis court size so I know my 3 rigs are well within the area...if my catch rates were poor then I would question my tactics...but.like I say they work for me...
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In reply to Post #31
At that sort of range without clipping up I highly doubt you are fishing anywhere near your baited area, you might get lucky now and again but I really doubt it
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In reply to Post #32
OK fair enough, but does anyone do that?
I might do that in very specific situations, long running chods for example. But not if I was fishing a tight baited area.
Even with no clip I've always stopped it with my finger to straighten it all out as it hits the water, then felt the lead down.
I've never seen anyone just cast out, and leave the line slack?
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In reply to Post #30
Unless you fish clipped up and hit the lead firmly or feather and stop the lead before it hits the water the lead will always land on a slack line and once the water has slowed it down it will fall vertically to the bottom. If the lead hits the water without being stopped in some way the line continues to flow off the reel after it the lead hits causing a large bow of slack line
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In reply to Post #29
Agree mate, I don't clip up, and I don't feel the lead down, obviouly I will have a lead around first to check out the designated area...I normally fish 100 to 130yds on a large pit (no boats allowed)...I spomb an area (not clipped up) then tend to fish all 3 rods in that area.
My catch rates are good and consistent...at the end of the day its what you have confidence in...
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In reply to Post #27
I honestly don't understand what point you mean by this? "unless the lead hits the water on a tight line"
what situation wouldn't the lead hit on a tight line. I dont see what relevance this has?
It does pivot on the point where the line meets the water, it's different on different lines, but I've seen it with my own eyes. That point where the line meets the water moves as well, so it's impossible to calculate for different lines or water conditions.
If it falls long enough it does go from the rod tip, i worked this out from a 60ft deep pit. Cast to the middle and the marker float pops up under your feet
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Applying bait at range by any method other than a boat or bait boat is inherently innacurate and the level of innacuracy grows the greater the range gets.
Anyone fishing at a hundred yards who thinks they are fishing on a "bin lid" is deluding themselves unless bin lids come in 30 ft sizes. Add wind and water conditions to that and allowing for drop back is pointless as the spread of bait will be far greater than the 3 ft allowed in 10ft of water under the 1ft for every 3ft rule of thumb.
Don't worry about it. Bait up and fish. You could also use a good tangle free rig and not feel the lead down, hey presto! no drop back. Am I allowed to say that in these days of anal retentive gurus.
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I don’t have answers to any of this but it sounds like everyone is taking it that the line is in a straight line at all times from the tip to the lead. When in fact different size arcs are formed by different lines. So you can never be100% accurate even with a marker as that will sink at a slower rate than a lead on its own so create less arc or fall back.
I still use a marker at distance though as I had the day off when we did maths at school.
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In reply to Post #26
I wouldn't usually, just making the point that unless the lead hits the water on a tight line it will fall through the water like a thrown stone, straight down. Drop back is a result of a tight line between the rod tip and the lead.
In terms of physics it is a pendulum that swings until it is stopped by hitting the lake bed. If the water is deeper than the length of the line the lead will swing until it hangs vertically from the rod tip. It won't continue swinging because of the damping( no pun intended) effect of the water. Where the line enters the water may have a very small effect on the system because the line is not rigid The point of suspension is the rod tip. A pendulum doesn't have a fulcrum.
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In reply to Post #13
I don't really understand what you're saying? Why would you be letting the lead fall in a slack line?
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I bought this video years ago but it’s now up on you tube
It goes into it on here
https://youtu.be/gBZ0OOW1C7c
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In reply to Post #23
there's an article in the online Carpology that says exactly that.
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In reply to Post #22
I’d suggest clipping up at the same distance
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In reply to Post #19
What would you suggest doing then? Clipping up all at the same distance or removing 1 ft for every 4ft of water ?
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In reply to Post #1
I sometimes fish short of my spom mix also get the stick out and put a few scattered boillies around, different from most , tailor the situation to your swim , be different.
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In reply to Post #15
I have done the 1/4 rule in the past, but the more i thought about it the more it didn’t make sense to me….
The problem with the variables is its an estimated guess to how much they are impacting your distance.
For a good example if you were fishing tight to an island with no possible snags etc. you would set both the spod rod and baited rod at the same distance and if your baited rod fell say 8 ft short you would re-cast…..
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In reply to Post #14
Yes, without any variables if you hit the clip at the same number of wraps / distance at 100 yards, and in 18ft of water you will theoretically be fishing at 99.62 yards, or 99yards 2ft…
That’s based on the rod being at 12 o’clock when you hit the clip and feel the lead down, based on a 6ft angler holding the rod as high as possible to give the maximum theoretical swing back and fishing 18ft deep…
In theory if your fishing at 50 yards it will be 6 inches out and at 75 yards 9 inches, if you want to be really technical you could add the length of your hook link as the above calculations are based on rod tip to lead weight….
If you were fishing a chod / helicopter set up with the top bead set at say 4ft from the lead you could argue that a further 4ft off line is added to the baited rod./ add the distance to the top bead.
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In reply to Post #12
There are actually 2 points, both the line meeting the water and your rod tip. 
After all that, I put my marker float out and aim to hit it, or just left or right of it.
Clipped up I know I will get swing back and the line is tight. If I don't clip up the lead will continue on the angle it hits the water as the water slows it down. Lead shape does make a difference. Distance and pear leads travelling further than grippers.
As for my spod and Spomb, again I aim for the marker float. Even in water as shallow as a foot, a Spomb load (or even bait boat load) of groundbait spreads. From impact point you can get a dinner plate sized spread of crumb. With sweetcorn or maize it can be side plate sized.
Now work this out with your particles in deeper water, undertow, bars, plateaus etc, you will be spreading your bait out across an area bigger than you think. Even tipping a bucket of bait by hand in in 4 feet of water you get current spread!
This is where balled groundbait full of particles, boilies etc may work in your favour. A wet sticky ball of groundbait in your Spomb will go down to the bottom with fewer particles drifting free.
If you are spodding or Spombing bait in, put in as much as you think you need, then do the same amount again.
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In reply to Post #14
Yes. That is my considered opinion on this though there are some who disagree.
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In reply to Post #13
I think the accuracy lost through numerous variables is all the more reason to consider this stuff.
I've always gone with the 1/3 rule and it's done me ok over the years.
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In reply to Post #13
So your basically saying to clip rods up at the same amount of wraps as my spot and marker rods ? As it doesn’t really make much difference
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In reply to Post #12
Can't let that one go. This is simply not true.
You will only get drop back if the lead lands on a tight line from the rod tip to the lead. If your lead lands on a slack line there is no drop back.
Unless you are fishing at close range in very deep water any drop back is lost in the variables affecting your casting and your bait as it falls through the water. Don't worry about it.
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In reply to Post #8
The top of your rod isn't the fulcrum point it swings from. It's where the line meets the water.
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In reply to Post #10
I've watched the fox one and it is a good eye opener yes m8
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In reply to Post #9
I cant mate, there’s too many variables to get an exact science, if what you do works for you and you catch fish, then don’t change anything……
Also the spod mix will dissipate when dropping through the water so will wind up with a spread of bait i would guess at a 2-3 yard diameter……(lighter the spod mix /bait the more it could spread)
Potential things that will all have an effect are as follows:
Casting accuracy.
Undertow
Wind
Line stretch
I think there has been a few tackle manufactures whom have looked into this in more detail ( Fox i think but cant be 100% sure). They had a underwater diver and checked the locations of the lead casting to a line clip and came up with the conclusion the swing back is so minimal it’s not worth worrying abaout…..
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In reply to Post #8
Explain how I bring in spod mix on my lead and in the weed on my hook then. It is clipped up different from the rods fishing.
Just my personal experience it works for me I know as I cast to a marker too and have swing back to that. If I miss the mark it is pretty clear as the lead goes another 10 foot into the abyss....
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In reply to Post #7
As a quick calculation based on 100yards in 18ft of water.
If you clip up at 100yds and have the rod at 12 o’clock when you clip up you will be fishing at 99.64yards, with swing back etc……, this doesn’t take into account any line stretch etc, so you would be 1ft off your spot,
No one is casting at 100yds and is within 1 ft accuracy….your kidding yourself if you think you are. A slightly higher trajectory of the lead etc will also affect your accuracy.
I personally spod to a marker float, but again at 100 yards your at best within 2 yards accuracy…..
If you want it more accurate you will be better off using a bait boat……
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In reply to Post #6
Mate I fish elstow on the bars there is accuracy needed to know you are right. And when you get it wrong you certainly know 
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In reply to Post #4
Using Pythagoras Theron, the swing back in 18ft deep water at 100 yds range is negligible( less than 1 yard) plus you’ve got mono stretch, casting accuracy and other variables. I would worry about it. Clip them all up the same and you will be there or there about….
At a smaller range in shallower water the swing back will be even less…. I am gonna do this in some detail tomorrow and will post my findings……
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Just use a marker rod clipped up at your rig distance, pop the float up & spod to it.
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In reply to Post #1
I do 1 off to every 3 foot. I tend to reel in bits of my bait on my hook as I fish in shallow onion weed. That works for me and my casting style it all depends on how you hold the rod on impact and swing back some slowly lower the tip other leave in same place until it hits bottom. That all slightly alters the swing back..... a minefield!!!
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In reply to Post #2
The 1ft per 4ft of depth is co compensate between where the spod lands and where your rig lands (with swingback) remember it’s just a rule of thumb and it will vary depending on the distance you’re fishing. Many people don’t even bother and has everything clipped up the same. Unless you’re an expert in Pythagorean theory I wouldn’t worry too much.
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Just read an article about spodding and is suggesting that for every 4ft of water you should take 1 ft off your clipped up distance, but didn’t say anything about rigs, would you then just cast out to the original clipped up distance ?
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