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In reply to Post #228
 
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In reply to Post #227
I watched Bad Santa 2 the other night and I can tell you from what I saw he’s got no moral ground to start telling anyone who’s naughty or nice believe me.
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In reply to Post #225
Santa says NO,you have been a very naughty boy 
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In reply to Post #223
Completely agree 👍
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In reply to Post #224
no pleasing some people,it's the season of good will you know 🤣🤣🤣
I'm having the new pod regardless of what anyone says🤣
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In reply to Post #223
No.
I like the cut and thrust of the debate.
Can you tell I’m bored
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so we can all agree that there are many great pods, jag and defiant being two of them and if we all chose the same things life would be pretty boring 👌
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In reply to Post #221
NO
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In reply to Post #220
So we all agree jag make the best pods money can buy then lol.
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In reply to Post #219
Why what do they make other than items for the fishing industry,JAG is a tiny part of what the engineering firm that own them make.They make items for many other industries,they already had the machinery and staff probably long before JAG was ever thought of
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In reply to Post #215
Could apply your twisted logic to century, Harrison etc.
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In reply to Post #215
The best way to bring the price down is not to buy and when they have warehouse full I don’t mean just pods
everyone involved will have to drop there price to sell them there is such a thing as testing the market put a product out at a high price and see what happens the danger is if it sells other companies follow it’s already happened to bivvys when prices are slashed that is the price it should of been in the beginning
To me on the whole carp tackle is one big rip off
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In reply to Post #214
“Where in economies of scale does it say that you have to sell your final product for the same price or that you have to make the same profit margin.?”
Where did I say it did? Economies of scale allows a larger scale operation (such as Jag) to produce their products at a lower cost. The opposite of the point you seem to be trying to make. How they choose to price is up to them.
But never mind, economics is not that interesting.
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In reply to Post #215
It’s got nothing to do with that at shows. If a manufacturer sells direct on their own stand, obviously they can offer you a decent discount. There’s no retailer mark up, only the cost of attending the show to cover. I got my Solar Sleep System for less that the shop price of just the bed at one of the shows. A proper bargain.
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In reply to Post #214
The mark up is crazy on most items to do with fishing not just JAG.When the shows are running and the manufacturers do deals are they still making a profit,of course they are so why not do them a little bit cheaper in the first place.The buying power the engineering firm that run JAG must buy materials by the tonnes so get better rates than most other tackle companies
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In reply to Post #213
Where in economies of scale does it say that you have to sell your final product for the same price or that you have to make the same profit margin.?
If you scale a business then your material costs may well decrease, but your over heads clearly increase. You might be producing more goods, but your cost to produce them has increased. Good luck absorbing those costs by continuing to sell the final product at the same price as when you were knocking them out on your own from a shed.
Quite clearly the retail price will need to increase, but it can’t increase to account for all of those additional costs can it, cos you’d be prohibitively expensive. So it increases by a smaller amount, you make a lower margin on each item and look to maintain your profits by selling more items. But there’s a limit to how much you can cut that margin and it actually be worth staying in business isn’t there. And there’s a limit to how many items you can actually sell. The market for uk made fishing tackle isn’t huge. It’s not like they are gonna sell a million pods is it.
So explain to me how Jag or Solar can sell their products for the same price as Defiant. Which is the whole point of this debate. Then phone up Jim and Locky and explain it to them, as clearly they’ve both got it completely wrong all these years. The whole time they could have sold all their gear for 50% less than they have been and all they needed was you to show them the error of their ways.
Then you add in the bit for the retailer.
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In reply to Post #211
Increased work force means increased efficiency as each employee can specialise in a specific area of manufacture. The guy on the lathe does not have to answer the phone, take the orders, make the tea etc etc etc.
As you increase the size of the workforce you increase the capacity to produce, less down time for each machine etc. Obviously your overall costs increase with wages etc, but you produce more at a lower cost per item.
If it only cost you money to have more staff and more machinery with no benefit then every business would be a single person.
This isn’t even considering the cost savings of buying materials in larger quantities.
If you’re going to base your point on the differences of economies of small and large businesses at least have a basic grasp of the fundamentals. You don’t need a magazine for that.
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In reply to Post #211
Jag are in a fairly unique position of being a sideline of a separate business, they could sell for a LOT less, but you sell for what the market is prepared to pay.
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In reply to Post #210
Ok. So I should have said. The economies of scaling up. I’m pretty sure everyone got the point.
If you are fred in a shed. You need to support one wage. If you employ ten people then you need to support ten wages. So you can’t sell the stuff at the same price can you? If you sell direct you can’t sell at the same price if you decide to go through retailers can you?
If I PM you my address, can you post me your copies of The Economist each week once you’ve read them?
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In reply to Post #192
You do know that economies of scale means that as you increase the capacity to produce the product the cost goes down, not up?
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In reply to Post #207
I must say the same actually having owned a bit of MPS stuff, the quality of Keith's gear is on another level.
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In reply to Post #201
Your pod looks far better
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In reply to Post #206
I've had some of Keith's stuff and it's brilliant, couldn't fault it...just like the jag gear
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tbf ... ive never bought Defiant because its cheaper ... its just the best product for me
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In reply to Post #204
My thoughts exactly Andy
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I'm having one, my lads having my nano pod....not bothered about defiant stuff,not bothered about cost..lifes too short.
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In reply to Post #202
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In reply to Post #201
In the voice of Obi Wan Kenobi 'this isn't the pod you're looking for'.
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In reply to Post #200
Some better images which I noticed on my social media feed.
Temptations temptations 
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In reply to Post #195
They're only selling certain items direct which they always have. no one tackleshop will have every little thing in stock all the time and some people dont want to wait for shop back orders?
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In reply to Post #196
Agreed on all counts, merely saying jags cost must be higher with advertising, packaging, distribution and shop mark up.
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I'll be having one of these.
Just wait for a green storage bag, not dpm......
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In reply to Post #194
I was referring to the overall cost of all the machines, not a single machine costing a million pounds
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In reply to Post #193
To be fair though, his gear is very good and his service is also reportedly top notch, so if people are happy isn’t it a good thing that they share that with other anglers and stop them buying poorly made crap from other companies? Isn’t that kinda the point of the forum?
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In reply to Post #192
That will be why the greedy *******s/Jim are now selling direct? I bet their loyal customers that helped him build the business are very pleased.
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In reply to Post #192
Without knowing the exact milling machines you can only guess cost ( most south of a million though ) or how economic on power they are, with regards to staff cost I e no idea of numbers.
Do Nag do the anodising or do they outsource it ? That’s a specialists fee
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In reply to Post #191
Since when has 316 stainless been inferior, jag also machine and finish their pods to an extremely high standard that I haven't seen bettered. Now price they like said produce many other products and don't have a dedicated facility just for angling products. How much would Keith's products cost if branded and displayed in packaging through a network of tackle shops. On a personal note I want a pod with some weight to it for the stability it offers, also this forum has for many years been a free advertising platform for defiant, how many would have heard of them without the forum.
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In reply to Post #191
Economies of scale dear boy. Yes the parent company makes other stuff, but the machines cost millions of pounds, if you are turning out thousands of items a year, bank sticks, pods, lockdowns indicators etc etc then you ain’t knocking those volumes out on a single bit of kit, and then there’s the staffing costs, for the CNC machinists, assembly staff, production staff, media guys, admin staff etc etc. Then factor in what it must cost to actually run a place like that, god knows what the electricity bills must be, but I bet they are terrifying. Then you’ve got packaging, and distribution. All those costs to just get the product to a shop. Then the shop puts on its mark up. I’ve got no idea what that might be as I’ve never worked in the trade, but I know from my own business that’s gonna be 25-30% of the retail cost at least and we haven’t taken into account the cost of the raw materials yet, which if my industry is anything to go by have gone through the roof in the last 18 months.
I’ve got no idea what they make on an item of tackle, I wouldn’t be so rude as to ask, in the same way that I’m sure they wouldn’t ask me about my business profits, but taking all of the above into account. I bet they aren’t making anything like the profit you think they are on each item.
You could ask this question of a lot of fishing tackle. How can a trakker bivvy mass produced in a Chinese sweat shop cost over a grand? I don’t know?
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In reply to Post #190
So people are paying a premium for a mass produced item made from inferior materials.I get what you mean about the numbers but Keith has also never had to advertise his product.He has been busy through word of mouth,the guy I fish with took one look at my carbon/titanium pod and ordered one straight away.I just don't think JAG need to be as expensive as they're,what justifies their prices over Keith's.Im not trying to say JAG are not good but considering they have all the machinery and probably buy their materials in bulk and more than likely make millions a year from their other parts of the business.Im sure they could charge less for their products but why would they when they sell so much at the prices they charge
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In reply to Post #189
But that’s the difference isn’t it. They are made to order. Let’s say Jag sell 5000 of these, which isn’t an unrealistic amount considering they sell all over Europe. How long do you think you’d be waiting for a pod from Defiant if you were order number 5000?
You’ve got bespoke individually made stuff from companies like Defiant. Then you’ve got mass produced Chinese pony for any number of other companies sold cheap. Then you’ve got Jag and to be fair probably Solar somewhere in the middle of the two. As well crafted as a lot of the bespoke stuff but without the wait times and with the convenience of being able to order from a number of outlets. If you want a part for a solar pod you don’t have to phone locky and ask him do you? You go online or pop to the tackle shop.
You’re not really comparing like for like there. I’m sure If Defiant decided to sell in greater volumes and through numerous European retailers then their prices would need to reflect that as well.
There’s plenty of guys who want stuff right now. Next day delivery. From an online retailer. That requires enormous amounts of stock to be in circulation. These sorts of people are not going to wait for a bespoke product to be made. I waited I think ten weeks for my mark1 dillo from Aqua to be made. Which I didn’t care about at all. But along came trakker and said look we can knock these out in no time and sell them through the shops and the rest is history.
Same thing. Different animals.
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In reply to Post #188
Definitely,very good price,better materials,hand crafted and made to order for your requirements.
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In reply to Post #187
yep Defiant for me aswell
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In reply to Post #185
Pretty mich the same here, had countless pods over the years but keep going back to defiant. I'm happy with the one I have now. I did have a couple of forays into banksticks and buzzbars (dymag) but could never get on with how they flex and twist all the time.
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My little Nash KNX needs pegging down but my Defiant is a different box of skittles.
I sold.my 2 rod Defiant and bought a 3 rod one years ago from a chap on here. He had it made wider and the sticks shorter. I fish it two rod mostly so its like a set of parallel bars. It never,ever moves. I've stumbled into it and all it's done is cut me up LOL
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im another pod user at all times, and have been since i bought the original Gardner pod in 1989 .... and since that day ive never battled with sticks, never worried about which terrain i might be fishing on and never needed to move bite alarms from one system to another (unless upgrading pod)
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In reply to Post #182
I dont.
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In reply to Post #172
Fine thanks the pod itself is 2.6 kilo the 3.6 kilo complete with buzz bars alarms and back rests, i dont take the pod out of the boot of car unless im fishing a peg i know i need it.
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In reply to Post #181
And this one even less time as by the looks of it you don’t even need to remove the alarms between uses
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In reply to Post #179
Not round me mate. I have a defiant and would love to use single sticks but even if its not platform's or manicured with hard-core and chippings. Its mud and rocks that take ages to screw the sticks in . You either get no purchase so they wobble or you hut a stone or rock.
Tried it a few times. Always end up sweating. Whereas the pod takes no time.
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In reply to Post #179
I prefer a pod at all times.......horses for courses.......
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In reply to Post #178
If pegs can be put in then why bother with a pod at all then? Pointless things for the vast majority of waters
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In reply to Post #176
In theory yes but peg any lightweight pod down and it’s solid.......
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In reply to Post #175
There a weird looking bunch those carpology blokes mind.
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In reply to Post #175
Why would anyone want a pod to be lightweight? More weight= better stability, no?
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carp spirit inox
This looks a nice pod, but when I looked into it, it is over 4kg, good old carpology referring to it as super lightweight 
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In reply to Post #173
Is that a sex thing?
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I love that everyone knows who the blowhards are on here.
Except the blowhards ....
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In reply to Post #169
How is your sciatic nerve after getting it to the swim?!
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In reply to Post #170
I don't know how to post pics on here and dont have any of it set up but i will take some pics in the house tomorrow after work and send them to you if you pm your email?
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In reply to Post #169
Can put some pictures up?
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In reply to Post #161
I thought most of the solar stainless stuff was 316 could be wrong though, i have had a sod pod still have a globetrotter and have a worldwide non of mine has rusted.
Yes i think the new pod is over the top i always kept the globetrotter as with its square frame it couldn't twist like the worldwide can, i made my worldwide fit 3/8 and 1/2" buzzbars and eliminated the twist by buying an extra centre bar for around £50 and fitting extra pins to the end sections so it now has two centre bars
It also stops the chance of a centre indicator hitting the single centre bar with short front uprights, it baffles me why solar didn't just do it easily solves a lot of the problems
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Everyone save your money and buy a Quest V2 pod.......sorted!
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In reply to Post #131
I didn't realise there was threads under the bars lol!
Cheers for informing me everyone, a bit of wee came out I won't lie.
And they're a fiver! A jag product that I don't get fiscal anxiety over! : D
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In reply to Post #165
Those summit pods don’t look anything special. Some ti sticks and relevant fittings it may need from MPS to sort the shortcomings of the CB would surely be a better and cheaper bet... if Keith would be ok with doing it
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In reply to Post #163
Coz I'm weird and have used it in deep water instead of just goal posts like a normie would, a Summit makes a lot more sense in that situation. Great pod Chris's, although as I'm beast with anything that's remotely breakable, I've dented a few banksticks up tightening the parallel bars and thumbscrews tight and can make it difficult to get the inners to go back in sweet.
I don't know. I don't like ordinary buzzbars and would loathe to use anything other than Chris Brown ones. If I did get a Summit, I'd have to get Chris to make up a new set of buzzbars specifically for that pod. Who knows.
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In reply to Post #154
I thought you had a Chris brown pod?
Why would you entertain replacing that? Seems absurd
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In reply to Post #160
I didn't know Scozza worked on your place
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I see theres a new super dooper version of solars worldwide pod out as well for £500. Looks a bit ott with thumbscrews everywhere. Is the solar gear 316 as ive seen rust on there stainless gear before.
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In reply to Post #159
Ha ha its fine i told the rather dense security guard they were old scaffold poles getting chucked out.
Ive done it again havent i! 😂
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In reply to Post #158
No no no. You’ve done it again!!! Stop admitting stuff. Honestly.
Your answer should be “what theft? What are you talking about? Are you on glue?”
Remind me to never do any “jobs” with you. May crack under mild questioning.
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In reply to Post #157
😀 My theft is tame to what most people take.
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In reply to Post #156
You do realise that you just admitted to that theft in writing?
I think you meant to say that you did the whole job in 316 that you borrowed from work, whilst not looking to permanently deprive the owner of it or misappropriate it. Obviously.
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In reply to Post #155
Never seen a summit pod but i would imagine its 316. 316 is probably the best you will get for a fishing pod. You can get better than 316 as I know rolex use there own 904L stainless in there watches which is a whole new level of stainless. I personally wouldnt buy and stainless pod if it wasnt made from 316. I built my daughters whole climbing frame from 75mm diameter 316 stainless pipe which i stole from work a good few years ago and we live 200 yards from the sea and theres still not a spot of rust on it. It will out live me that thing.
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In reply to Post #154
I don't know what grade summit uses i would have thought their pods are made from 316 as i haven't heard of issues with their tackle?? , you mentioned you thought they said some nuts were 303 which isn't as corrosion resistant as 304 and 316.
To add more confusion nuts and bolts etc are called things as a2 which is 304 and quite good a4 is 316 and even better.
I once used some 303 rated pins in some banksticks after one very wet night they were showing surface rust but the main sticks with 316 and used for years with no sign of rust.
Sorry to go off thread
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In reply to Post #151
Yeah Woody, I just ballsed up. Still not sure which stainless they use? Would be nice to find out.
To be fair, as long as it doesn't end up being a rusty old thing, I'm not too fussed at all. I would rather a pod be light for being able to use with my mobile setup. Got the JAG micro pod which is good since I've bought the angulator things, much prefer something which is goal post style to stop buzzer bars from turning on fierce takes.
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In reply to Post #152
Drop the pretence. Your sole aim was to create an argument by way of a sly dig. This thread has been quite decent so far, can we just have one thread without a load of grief for a change?
Before a load of wallies jump in as per usual for an argufest, just save it and move on. Thanks.
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In reply to Post #142
It wasnt anything to me, until you posted it on a public forum, dont be so precious
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In reply to Post #138
300 is a stainless series 303, 304, etc 316 is often used in fishing often called marine grade as it has better anti corrosion than say 303
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In reply to Post #149
Not sure but they are the only UK based tackle shop showing up on google
Couple of Dutch shops have it due end of December, 514.99 Euros converts to £437+
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In reply to Post #144
Did Todber jump the gun on releasing the prices mate
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STICKY-FINGERS Post
Looks like there’s a price finally released 316 version is £10 dearer,
Jag RP1 Pod Prolite Black
Not available now apparently
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In reply to Post #146
Only if they chuck in some bobbins as part of the deal
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In reply to Post #145
Do you use essential oils...might be interested.
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In reply to Post #144
I can offer a wide range of services for a large enough discount on this pod and some butt grips 
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In reply to Post #143
Are you stalking me?
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In reply to Post #123
Its either that or be just hang around the stand and ambush any potential buyers by playing the role of the slightly tapped JAG fan boy who invades personal space a bit too much.
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In reply to Post #141
No. Blokes said i take loads going off a picture I posted, not me. I take what I need.
And so what if I would like a lightweight pod, what is that to you?
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In reply to Post #137
Wasnt it you telling everyone how you took mountains of gear that a “gash” electric barrow couldnt handle?
Now youre worrying about a few kg on a pod.
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In reply to Post #138
My mistake mate 👍
303 I see mentioned for a nut. I don't know 🙂
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In reply to Post #137
Reading up on it, and I say this without expertise but "duplex" steel looks good?
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In reply to Post #137
I thought 300 was a series?
304 and 216 basically so I'm led to believe?
where is 300 grade?
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In reply to Post #136
Me neither.
I can't see as to the why part of the concept, you know? With bars you can protect your buzzers etc in a dedicated pouch, sure, I know you can do similar with these kinds of pods and Keith's design. Either way, I'd rather separate my buzzers and have them in their own dedicated pouch.
I was thinking of going for the JAG compact pod for my main setup and then this pod came along...which does the same as the compact pod does if, as I'd use it, with my current buzzer bars which just about works with JAG sticks. Taking a very good look at all of JAG's options, for how I use a pod which can be anything from on the bank to waist high deep in water, even though I could afford to buy all of the various sticks I'm ever likely to need, JAG's offerings don't work for me at all.
I'm looking at Summi's pods and they tick all the boxes for me except the don't make an ally version of their pods, which is unfortunate as I'd rather a light weight pod instead of stainless even though the pods are 300 grade unlike JAG' 316, whatever difference that makes. Despite there not being and ally version, I think Summit pods are much more of a Swiss Army knife than JAG's pods are and a heck of a lot cheaper.
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In reply to Post #135
All joking aside. I’ve never used a pod that doesn’t use bars. I’m struggling to see what advantages they have over a traditional pod, short of being able to raise up the tips to different heights and how often do you need to do that? I know loads of people rave about them, so I guess I’m missing something.
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In reply to Post #134
Yes please mate The new pod is inline with the prices of the other pods,I prefer pods without buzzbars.They will no doubt shift loads of these
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In reply to Post #126
I think you’ll find that my post was just agreeing with what YOU’D already put.
Do you want to split the commission?
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In reply to Post #132
Thats it then,im in.Does anyone want to buy a 2 rod titanium/carbon defiant pod with 3 different size sticks.I will do the lot for £600 which based on JAG prices is a bargain,I will throw in two of the defiant quick release adaptors for your alarms
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You get 4 free wood screws though
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In reply to Post #127
Jag have just put a video on their Facebook showing exactly what you're after
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In reply to Post #127
Get the snag converters,I had them to use my 2+1's with the compact pod
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Yep what he said you can 👍
Hopefully the base will be available separately
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In reply to Post #127
You can
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In reply to Post #124
In hindsight I wish there was a way to convert the 2 plus 1's to a goalpost set up
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In reply to Post #124
I reckon Jag prices are this high to pay your commission
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In reply to Post #115
Exactly the same as me I just don’t want to risk it, I have a small clip on the base of my pod then peg it down through the clip, I don’t want to risk the lot going in I’d be gutted
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In reply to Post #122
Yep that’s about right. The super compact base at AD Is £230. Plus the six sticks at £180. Plus the carry bag, I’ve got no idea how much a compact pod sleeve is.
So this RP1 is pretty much the same as a super compact in price. Whilst obviously not requiring bars.
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In reply to Post #118
I'm gonna have to chew the ear off em at the northern angling show long enough for them to give me a big enough discount to leave them alone
...they're going to love you
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In reply to Post #121
6 sticks at £30 is £180 so £250 for base makes it £430
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Pro lite sticks are nearer £30 each £350 for the base seems a lot
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In reply to Post #116
Well Jag said we would be pleasantly surprised,I thought they meant it would be reasonably priced.I guess 6x£20ish sticks is 120ish so the base is only £300 or so
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Yeh, looks a nice pod with a price tag to match although im sure it will be well made, I think I will stick to my Xcavators and stage stands for now.
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In reply to Post #117
Yeah so £500 with a set of the lockdown butt grips... as i thought.
Still very nice and for my fishing currently its perfect for what i need.
I'm gonna have to chew the ear off em at the northern angling show long enough for them to give me a big enough discount to leave them alone
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In reply to Post #116
£430
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In reply to Post #114
You would be surprised,saw a bloke have his entire pod took in.He was fishing with fairly loose drag but his reel jammed on the take and the lot went in.I always secure mine down,it's not worth the risk
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In reply to Post #111
Surely that would only happen if fishing locked up. How many people would use an unsecured pod in that situation?
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In reply to Post #111
We mean a single stick with a buzz bar on top, which naturally twists or undoes itself with pressure from a rod on either side.
Single sticks for each rod or a goalpost set up is infinitely better for stability
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In reply to Post #101
I fish single sticks, and if needed they will be locked up. What’s the problem? More solid than a chunk of aluminium resting on the ground with all your other rods ready to go in with it.
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In reply to Post #108
I've heard that people do this. I've thought about the idea of using two pods, it's just too much money, especially so as there's quite a few occasions where I've had my rods in up to waste height in water, two pods would work out pricey if in that situation you'd use JAG sticks, instead, a 4 rod buzz bar does the job for me and cuts down on having two pods doing the same thing. Each to their own though 👍
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In reply to Post #102
Mine is too.
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In reply to Post #102
Used a pod since mid 80s my 4 rod sits on single bank sticks. If u was using 4 rods regularly I’d have two pods.
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In reply to Post #106
I think they'll easier to tighten up . But you do see the occasional ad for thumb screw prolite on market place
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In reply to Post #103
I think the levers look smarter than thumbscrews
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In reply to Post #102
Nope
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In reply to Post #97
I've never had a problem with the prolite slipping or being able to tighten it up . Century chunky carbon was terrible for this. Was hard work to get it tight . The inner carbon when extended would rattle/wobble in the outer carbon . Which isn't great on a £30 bank stick. And didn't feel very secure.
My preference is for a 2 + 1 set up . Don't really have to much of and issue when fishing tight . Single s set up if I need to spread my rods out a bit
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In reply to Post #101
I’d say 90% of my fishing is bars on a single stick. Isn’t everyones?
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In reply to Post #99
No never had that happen. As noj says if you use a single stick with buzz bars the inner will prob move due to the leverage the buzz bar puts on the little 3/8 thread but i havent seen anyone fish a single stick with buzz bars in donkeys years and no one with any sense would fish one stick with a buzz bar locked up.
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It would be a nice touch I’m sure but there’s no point in the extra expense. A single stick and buzz bars wider than about 4” needs a stabiliser, at which point you’re taking almost as much weight as a goalpost set up which is rock solid and impossible to twist/undo
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In reply to Post #98
So.your rod doesn't move when you're fishing totally locked up. I want everything rock solid and no movement what-so-ever, tight, like my ladies 👌
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In reply to Post #95
Why mill a flat on if its not needed. A buzz bar yes but no need for a flat on a banstick. Ive never had a bankstick twist around in 30 years of fishing. Its easier without a flat as you can just turn in to where you want and lock it up if it had a flat on in you would have to twist the outer section when it was in the ground which would loosen the whole bankstick in the ground.
Ive had an issue with the cost of anything if i want it i buy it if i dont think its worth what there asking then i wont buy it. Ive got loads of jag 316 gear and for me its worth it.
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In reply to Post #96
I think they should just ditch the whole carbon thing and be done with it. On a few carbon innered banksticks vs ally inners, it would be so negligible weight wise. If you had a 100 lb of carbon innered sticks vs ally inners, yeah, but when is that ever going to ever happen when it comes to fishing? I suppose one reason is that a carbon inner won't marr and loose paint like an ally coated one would, that could be some of the reasoning, I don't know.
This is purely speculation on my part, the inners aren't built up in layers, instead they look to me to be made by adding mashed up carbon and resin to make the bar which could be milled to some degree. If there's others out there that know about these processes, please chime in.
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In reply to Post #95
Aren't all flat sided inners on sticks made from metal? . The mpe stuff certainly was. I'm not sure if flat sided carbon can be constructed or not. But clearly the reason jag use carbon is because of the weight . No point have a product called prolite if it isn't light 🤷♂️
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In reply to Post #90
Have a look at Summit Tackle's banksticks, they've got flats milled onto them which stops twist.
Possibly the reason the carbon ones haven't got a flat is the head could twist off as they're glued on and not threaded.or just solid milled aluminium (don't know why the ever used carbon as it has to be joined instead of something that's of the same material gets milled from solid bar) Had a problem myself because of the gluing process they use. I've never used JAG's stainless range and would have thought they'd be threaded inners that join the heads on; I don't know if they're pinned or glued or a combination of the two? Whatever the case maybe, I'm assuming that the reason could be for no flats is they'd want the range to match one another and couldn't have the carbon ones without a flat added (because of the glued parts) and the stainless with flats.
Of it's a question of money, I mean, come on, they charge a lot for one bankstick, they can surely suffer the cost of milling a flat on a very expensive.stick? Summit aren't a lot cheaper I should add.
Yeah, I'd say it's going to be around what I've guessed. We'll see once it comes out 👍
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In reply to Post #93
I never owned them,I know people rated the chub stainless
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In reply to Post #92
I don’t think that’s the reason they changed to levers. My thumbscrew sticks lock up solid. There were a few sticks that had an issue with not locking up on the thumbscrews as solid as they should have. But that wasn’t a design fault as such. I think a few of the carbon inners were machined with a slightly small diameter and Jag replaced them with the correct sized ones for the few people that had an issue.
I’ve never seen the flat sided chub sticks. We’re they any good?
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In reply to Post #90
When Jag released the prolite black with the carbon inner,didn't they have issues with them moving.They then changed the thumbscrews to the levers,Chub did a bankstick with a flat edge to stop twist
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In reply to Post #89
I think the reason you dont get flats on banksticks is due to how much weight it would add as the inner section would have to be made from solid bar to machine a flat onto it so they would weigh loads. You dont need a flat on a bankstick. A buzz bar you do but not on a bank stick.
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In reply to Post #89
I agree that a flat on the inner would be a good addition, none of the sticks I’ve ever had from jag, solar, Fox etc etc have never had one. I wonder why that is. My guess is that it’s firstly due to cost as it would add in two more processes, one to the inner and one to the outter. The other reason I wonder is whether if everything is locked up to a point where there is literally no give anywhere. If you got an absolutely savage take or a swan smashed through your lines at speed, could it be more prone to snapping something? I’ve no idea I’m guessing.
Regards the price. For a full kit. Looking at the previous ones, I reckon you’re in the right ball park. Despite the price I think this will still sell well. Jim’s no mug. I don’t recall them ever releasing something that hasn’t sold what they were expecting it to and others far exceed them. So I guess he’s done his homework.
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In reply to Post #88
I too like nice things and don't mind spending money on gear regardless of what others think.
I'm quite happy to criticize JAG as some of the stuff they sell, as pretty as it looks isn't that great. Take their banksticks for instance, you pay £27 for a tiny bankstick and the thing doesn't have a flat on the inner which leaves the inner able to rotate.
Just totting it up in my head, I think looking at it again, I'm ganna say that instead of £450 that I mentioned before, more like £380 for this new pod.
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In reply to Post #87
Another jag fan boy here had grey prolote and changed to. 316 then to jag black and majority has held value well when I’ve sold it on and the one time I had an issue jag were great and sorted it out
I currently have a micro /nano pod and a super compact pod and I’ll be looking at the new one as well I’m a tart but hey ho
What amazes more than anything is how upset people get at what things cost?
It’s your money spend it on what you want and enjoy it!!
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I'm I'm jag slag,I'll be having one of these...love their gear,love the customer service..like the brand...I work hard,why not have one??
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In reply to Post #84
That is when you see the price it means Recovery Position
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In reply to Post #84
It’s pieces of metal that are used to support your rods. Meaning you don’t have to put them on the floor anymore
I think it might catch on
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In reply to Post #81
Tell me more about this "RP1" 
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In reply to Post #82
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In reply to Post #81
A nano that you can actually use is more like £370. That’s painted aluminium.
You can’t get a 316 pod for less than £375, topping out at near enough £500 with adjustable bars. And that’s a simple (copied) design.
Let’s be fair and admit you won’t be getting much change out of £500 for this new (copied) design.
I’m not gonna try and judge if that is too much money, everyone has their choice, but I’d rather pay £250 for the original Defiant version in a superior (titanium) material.
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In reply to Post #77
No chance. I do wonder about you some times.
A prolite super compact kit with 3 rod fixed front and rear bars, four uprights, the pod base and the bag is £380.
The prolite nano pod with uprights and no bars is £230
How on earth is the RP1 gonna be £450 without sticks.
To quote Princess Leia “I don’t know where you get your delusions from Laser Brain”
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Looks like a nice bit of kit, not for me, but nice 
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In reply to Post #78
They are saying on their Facebook that people will be pleasantly surprised with the price.Lets wait and see,it could be finally priced sensibly
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In reply to Post #77
Blimey 😮
Get one of Keith's lovely titanium ones 👌
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In reply to Post #76
That will be for the pod body with no sticks
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In reply to Post #74
I'll take a punt and say £450?
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In reply to Post #73
I'm not so sure of that mate. I was thinking that if your stage is pissed a bit, your set up would be all wonky and no way of getting it straight. Am autistic and like straight things 😁
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In reply to Post #72
Just looked at the facebook pictures again and can see where you screw it down. 
Now see to what the price is
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In reply to Post #1
I think I'm missing the point of these look great only works on a platform type pods ?
With the invention of the stage stand all these pods are surely now redundant.
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In reply to Post #55
"Exactly how you make a 316 stick banana shaped only he knows."
Weighing a 210+ catfish gets you these fine specimen Banana's... 
Good memento to keep - it is now used for my retaining sling.
Pod looks really interesting - hopefully there will be a means to screw it down to decking / stage stand it.
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In reply to Post #70
They are quality,I got mine after reading the review on here
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In reply to Post #69
Yeah mate, I had to estimate the sizing for him and could've made it a few inches smaller but it does the job fine.
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In reply to Post #65
Nice Army Andy case too is that I see
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In reply to Post #67
😂🤷♂️
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In reply to Post #66
Ha ha ha ha (cock)
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In reply to Post #65
Early Xmas present vince 😬
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Few pics of my trident, because I'm on the bank, bored and cold...
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In reply to Post #57
Have a look at O.P's picture. As it looks now, all you can do is shorten the splay - if you can in fact pull the arms backwards - which would look a tad mental...like a weird arrow.
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In reply to Post #62
Definitely, I was pitching my bit in too 👍
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In reply to Post #53
Already said about adjustable cross shafts
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In reply to Post #56
They went in dry 🥺
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In reply to Post #55
Good idea. Think I might just do that as I did with the legs when they went all wobbly 👍
I'll have a stab in the dark here and say that the degree they're fixed at is around 20° possibly 30° anything over that they need angulators to correct for the difference. With the angulators it makes the whole thing a lot more usable in a verify of different scenarios.
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In reply to Post #55
Not entirely sure it was designed for that sort of fishing really . If you did manage to set it up as such your reels would almost be on top of the reels if on to steep a gradient 🤷♂️Edit ( meant to say dependent on the gradient )
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In reply to Post #53
Is the splay out fixed then? I’ve not seen one yet to know. My guess was it would fold out like the super compacts to any amount you wish. Have they said it locks in place?
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In reply to Post #53
Your very angry with jag ain’t you lol what have they done to upset you?
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In reply to Post #51
If you have a faulty product then message them and I would imagine they will replace it. I know a guy who must use his sticks for demolishing stuff, looking at the state he regularly sends them in for repair. Exactly how you make a 316 stick banana shaped only he knows.
With regards to extremely sloping left to right banks, if it’s that bad that even extending one of the micro legs fully isn’t enough to level it then I think I’d abandon the pod idea and use sticks/excavators instead. I guess you could swap one sides leg for say a 7” stick and use a 12” the other side maybe. Admittedly I’ve maybe only had half a dozen pods over all the years, so I’m no expert, but I can’t think of any that would adjust enough for really extreme gradients.
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In reply to Post #52
They certainly do, not enough for wonky/non flat banks. I wouldn't want to extend the legs out too far as the inners look mightily snappy at the degree that they're set to.
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This new pod
They should have added adjustable arms so as to be able to set your own splay instead of a set manufacturers idea of what your splay should be. Guess that'll be the MKII then...
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In reply to Post #51
Don't the legs adjust on the micro pod ?
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In reply to Post #48
You'll need to add an extra £100 on top of any micro pod to be usable on anything that isn't perfectly flat as you'll need their angulators, which by the way you have to treat with kid gloves as JAG in their infinite - read as cheap - have used tiny pins in the angulators for adjustment that round off instead of teeth. Already done an angulator...another 25 quid 🤬
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In reply to Post #49
Yeah definitely agree hard to tell from a couple pictures, be interesting tho
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In reply to Post #47
going be interesting see what features this new pod has.
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In reply to Post #41
My post was probably a bit harsh, I’ve amended it! I use Keith’s bank sticks, never had a pod.
To be honest I would consider getting one of the Jag micro pods if they did a titanium or 316 one 
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In reply to Post #46
Strange that mate I’ve never seemed to have a problem with it, fingers crossed I don’t either
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In reply to Post #45
I thought it was just me,my mate is a perfectionist and he found the same with it
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In reply to Post #44
I find it very very easy to line it up? And I’ve got ocd with it all looking right. Mine lines up every single time easy enough, maybe yours had something wrong with it from the factory? Honestly never struggled getting it to line up mate.
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In reply to Post #41
Thats the set up I had and hated it,I could never seem to get it line up properly.I sold it a mate and he finds the same and uses it more without the pod base fitted
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In reply to Post #42
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In reply to Post #39
i wont make the mistake of selling any more of Keiths stuff. It takes too long to replace lol ... I now have both Carbon and Titanium versions of the Panther and so cant see i will ever need to change
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In reply to Post #34
I love my jag stuff I’ve had countless pods/ bankware and you can tell the difference massively, not slating it just saying I prefer jag stuff. Yeah it’s expensive but if you don’t like it don’t buy it bud, I got my black super compact mk2 with some 2 plus 1 buzz bars I couldn’t be happier with it one of my favourite bits I own
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In reply to Post #38
Half the price of yours
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In reply to Post #37
Keith has changed my cross-shafts to carbon,well happy with mine.Just don't sell yours again this time
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In reply to Post #34
Don't talk to me about costs of pods lol. Bottom line is you get what you pay for. In terms of mass manufacturers Jag are up there aren't they. I think this looks like the old Trident made by Keith. I'm sure it will be a quality bit of kit that will relieve you of something between £400-£450 easily.
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In reply to Post #36
yep
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In reply to Post #35
Have you received your new one yet
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I buy Defiant over Jag every day ... Prolite pod in particular was a massive let down when i had one
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In reply to Post #10
It will be a well made bit of kit, but likely be priced at a premium. It’s just another 3 rod pod, if you’re into dropping £500 on some 316 or painted ally then go for it.
Jag are weird one for me, certainly priced at ‘aspirational’ level but it still seems a bit naff to have all that shiny branded stuff just to put your rods on.
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In reply to Post #31
It's like expensive trainers or expensive cars, JAG.gear you could argue is seen as aspirational or top tier.
JAG kit is well expensive. I have no idea of what their costings actually are, maybe their plant is proper lumpy, they pay their employees over and beyond what similarly trained machinists or designers may be getting payed elsewhere, rents are mental, or they just charge loads, make shiny s4it shiny enough that bods will lap up, either way, it does sell, I've got some of it myself...just bought 2 sets of snag ears for just shy of 100 quids, I mean, 100 bar for two lots of snag ears, got another 2 sets to buy just that I could part with 200 quid at the time as it would have pained me to do so. I have the Korda Stow ears which every now and again would come loose and the JAG ones seem much less likely to do the same as the Korda ones, plus the JAG ones are slightly longer which I was always after.
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In reply to Post #30
Given up on that I'm just using a crabline now
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In reply to Post #21
People paying for a name so they can tell their mates,Jag is quality I'm not knocking them at all but surely their prices don't have to be as high as they are.The fishing gear is just a small part of their business so they already have all the machinery to knock all the pieces out
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In reply to Post #29
That's the pod sorted, your reel quest next 😎😎😎
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In reply to Post #24
I have learnt and that's why I will stick with Keith
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It’s all well and good saying get a trident instead but Keith would be about 185 by the time he’d made units for the sales of these on top of his own workload
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In reply to Post #25
Ha, you got a gorrilion £'s spare for a set.of three?
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Me no likey.
I don't think the concept is any good at all, regardless.of who makes it. It's not a million miles away from Korda's Shingles...minus the middle bar which I also thought was pone. It would agg the **** out of me trying to get my rods level to the point I'd just want to put a hammer through the lot of it 🤬
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In reply to Post #21
They need to make reels 💪
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In reply to Post #8
If you had paid the premium for the right one first time you wouldn't have changed so often and would still be using it.
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In reply to Post #21
I've had most uk made bank ware , century , mps , mpe , top notch and n Brice . And eventually jag prolite. Which I think by far is the best of the lot. Very innovative well researched and thought out concepts and extremely versatile bits of kit. Except for that net lock thing , what **** is that all about.
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I like the look of it
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In reply to Post #18
Price wise i doubt it will be much different to a full super compact kit or a micro kit with 2+1 bars and they sell like hot cakes. People don’t look at carp fishing as a cheap hobby anymore. There’s plenty of budget brands around but if people want top end gear then they pay the money for it. Especially Uk made at the moment. Shimano are quoting thirty six weeks delivery time on some products at the moment. These are Uk sourced material. Uk made. Uk powder coated. Uk assembled. Uk packaged and Uk sold. So that’s obviously going to come at a premium. Plus they are sold through retail outlets at volume. Not direct customer sales in small numbers.
It’s the same argument every time with Jag. People on here moaning about the price. Then the products sell out in weeks. Then the next batches sell out and so on and so on. So clearly there’s a lot of people out there that think it’s priced right for what it is.
And it keeps a lot of my mates in work. So you should all buy it.
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In reply to Post #19
Thats very true 👍
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In reply to Post #18
If it can be used with existing sticks and available as a base unit . Should be cheaper than a wrap for a £1300 bivvy 😊
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In reply to Post #17
Prices are ridiculous I agree but at least they keep you dry and warm,this just holds your rods
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In reply to Post #15
To be fair price is almost irrelevant these days when bivvies can cost in excess of £1300 🤷♂️
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They should of made the cross-shafts adjustable
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In reply to Post #13
I bet you won't like the price
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In reply to Post #12
I think the uprights will stay in place,it looks like it has some form of block each end of the centre bar.Im guessing that will release the two parts of the frame and allow it to fold with alarms and butt rests attached
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Oh. So with this one you have to take all 6 uprights out
Then the cross bars fold inward . Sod that. I guess they had to do something different from the defiant...
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In reply to Post #10
No you just undo the central bar,pop it all neatly in a case job done.When you go fishing again you pop the centre bar back on and your done,takes seconds,nice streamline grubscrew fittings and titanium and carbon.
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In reply to Post #9
Lol. That must be what it is. You realise it takes a couple of years to bring any of these products to market? Now I know Jim is good but I don’t think even he can magic a pod up in five minutes cos someone in a meeting says sales are dropping. Which they aren’t.
They’ve just had a record year and literally can’t keep stock on the shelves. I’m not familiar with the trident. Does it fold up with the alarms and rod rests still attached like this one does?
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When I look at that Jag pod, it's strikes me as a result of a meeting at jag where the agenda was 'Sales are dropping, we need to put something new onto the market'
Exactly the same feeling as when that ridiculous catapult came out.
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In reply to Post #7
I have had two of the Jag compact pods,I spent a small fortune on the black one.I bought the 2+1 buzzbars and snag adapters to use them with the pod base and sticks.Jag is very very good gear but it comes at a premium that imo it does not justify,Keith charges very reasonable prices for his products
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| | | Cam | | Posts: 6511 | | | MODERATOR | |
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In reply to Post #6
Not going to argue but you can't make that comment if you haven't used both 
I admire your loyalty though 
(and no I'm not sponsored by JAG ) 
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In reply to Post #5
All copies of the original and best
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| | | Cam | | Posts: 6511 | | | MODERATOR | |
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Similar to the Quest Trilogy, Century Stealth, Saber Terrain, Corus pods, etc..etc.
Looks like they have tweeked (maybe improved?) a few bits to be fair if we are comparing it to the Panther?
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In reply to Post #2
They will as thats how it folds up but you would have to have them straight when in use as the middle upright is fixed and dosent move by the look of it.
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Yet another copy of Keith's pods,I will stick with my carbon/titanium pod from Keith.Jag have no doubt tweeked a few bits including the price,can't wait to see the rrp
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In reply to Post #1
Looks like the legs move forward / back?
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Looks a bit like the old Trident
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