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Yeah, that in-between phase after stopping meds can feel like walking a tightrope with no net. One thing that’s helped me feel more grounded is looking into treatments that don’t just numb things but actually try to rebalance what’s off. I’ve been trying https://releaf.co.uk/. Only mentioning it because it genuinely helped take the edge off for me when nothing else really clicked. Just in case you’re still exploring options
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In reply to Post #19
I asked for counselling before my former works offered it to me as i knew the day would eventually come as I’d been off for so long (around 8-10 months) and I’m pleased I did as I felt needed confirmation that it was because of the company and not my doing as to why I was feeling the way I did. The relief felt when I heard my counsellor say that you knew exactly what you had wanted from these sessions and that you knew all along the reasons for my anxieties and depression. I tried start back work but they (within employment law) knew how to make things difficult for me which in itself is a long story. Knew instantly that I had to get out and the union had asked for a pay off (think it was classed as severance) for the 10 years service I had given which was equivalent in today’s money to around 3K.
The reason I came to work for this company was because they had won the tender from the local council as they had put in the lowest price to run it for 5 years. Fortunately I had terms under previous employment(TUPE) in which it means that my bonuses and rate of pay were protected and could not be only be not taken away but improved upon should they increase their bonuses to their own staff.
I was seen as someone that they would love to replace in order to bring in their own members of staff at a lower rate of those that had (TUPE). When new workers arrived it wasn’t long before folk began to become restless which as you could imagine it didn’t exactly set the scene for a happy environment.
Had a great pension too where the original company I worked for put in 3 times more each month than what I was paying. This wasn’t TUPE’d over but nevertheless that didn’t prevent them from making my time there as difficult as can be and yet within the eyes of the law.
Sorry for going off a little but if there is one person out there that has had similar experience/s then don’t for one moment blame yourself,
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There are different stages of depression, and some of the stages can be treated by yourself, especially if you have a good friend. If you are severely depressed, however, it is impossible to cure it without a doctor's intervention. Recently my friend's parents died, and of course, he got depressed because of that. He was drinking a lot of alcohol so he wouldn't feel any pain. I decided to help him; I learned everything about treating depression on the Internet. It is impossible to get rid of depression in a moment; it is a long process requiring a lot of effort.
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In reply to Post #42
Ufortunately, people not always understand what is depression. They think that it's the feeling of tiredness. Depression is much more complex and deeper problem and, as you've mentioned, it should be treated with the help of specialists.
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In reply to Post #41
I happened to work like 2/2 on 12 hours day/night shifts and during my weekends I had another job. It lasted for a year and a half. This led to burnout and depression which thankfully I managed to get through with the help of a specialist.
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Citalopram is an SSRI I've been on a few and found that my anxiety manifested itself more as frustration / anger / aggression. its interesting to hear your experience.
I was diagnosed with severe depression and anxiety relating to my autism and childhood trauma, the fact they linked it to my autism ( life long incurable disorder ) made me feel helpless as I thought they'd just stick with me like it, and so I spent a long time not even trying to fight them. alcohol, drugs, absolutely nothing would numb the emotion pains I felt, in the end I just let it consume me and existed in a purgatorial state of rock bottom emotions, it was easier for it to be constant than fluctuate and this made me back away from virtually any positive thought process. made more than one attempt to end my own life.
Every day I say my thanks that My Family stood by me in those days, especially a West Highland Terrier very dear to me but sadly now passed on.
I was ripped out of the constant low moods but learnt to live with depression, and manage anxiety. I also learnt not to categorise any sadness I felt as depression, as depression isn't an emotion its an emotional illness. I discovered it was ok to get hurt, to need to grieve, to feel anguish but that I also wasn't worthless and had the right to feel pride, a sense of achievement and occasionally joy.
I still have a lot of horrendous days, they probably still outnumber the good but for me, but the bad days end. the next day might be bad but the previous day doesn't oblige me to carry that weight forward. I feel lucky ot realise this.
I hope you all have some peace
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In my case when I was working at the company I’ve since finished at then I’d say anxiety of going into work certainly caused the depression. Even when I’d have a week annual leave the most upper thing in my mind was thinking of when I return, which in turn brought on the depression.
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I plonked myself onto Citalopram and if anything it only made my brain process Anxiety differently instead of getting rid of it entirely. It's hard to explain, but instead of my body having just mental fog with that gut churning fear and recurring negative thoughts of "what ifs", it turned my anxiety into a brief feeling of physical anguish rather than longer more intense feelings of dread and sadness.
As above posts, a lot of it is dealing with the source rather than the symptom. I had to deal with the fact I had not allowed myself to process a lot of what I had seen and experienced over a five year period because you don't want to be seen as "weak" by your peers.
Setting small daily achievable goals is a good start on that path. If your path to a better state of mind is to change jobs, spend more time with your family and to feel and look better, then the best way probably isn't to spunk thousands on a college course to be a sparky, book a holiday to spain and join a gym all within the first few days. Just editing your CV, taking the kids to the park and going for a walk is a good start. Failing/hitting barriers will only compound the negative thoughts you may have.
In my experience, the worst thing you can do whilst already depressed is embark on a river campaign then lose the only carp in that stretch within half an hour of turning up  . Get a float rod out and bang out some silvers. It's amazing how a waggler makes you forget the outside world...
Best wishes sir.
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Anxiety is a completely different thing to depression, I was the same, worried about anything and everything andf would tie myself up in knots.
I was given anti depressants and they helped a little, spoke to another doctor about upping my dose as I still wasn't right and he suggested propanalol which is usually used for high blood pressure. What an absolute game changer!!!
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Just more of the nonsense posts that seem to have links added a week later (like the one in the listening thread)
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Simple I made a mistake. You're were right all along.
But it's easy to own up to a mistake, you never know maybe the rest of the forum might catch on 
Now you've got me wondering, why were the posts removed.
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Oh yes, so they have......
Get out of this one.....lol.
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Don't know what school you attended but post 23 and 24 have gone
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There is mate because one poster replied to me by stating ‘that’s not strictly true’. After asking what isn’t true i then looked to see if he had replied only to notice both mine and his had gone.
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I don't think they have, there's 20 posts and all post numbers run consecutively, if a post is removed you'd notice the post number missing 
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Why have some posts being removed please admin?.
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Yoga and a very clean diet rich in the right nutrients can help.
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Counseling never helped for me when I lost my father at the age of 11 ‘infact wasn’t heard of then’ and I don’t feel the need for it now as I’ve realised death comes to us all. I had my therapy being apart of the N40 which was very therapeutic....lol.
The reason I had therapy was as mentioned earlier to tick a box and the other reason I had counceling was because I needed it for my own piece of mind that the company I worked for at that time didn’t deserve my service and not only that they didn’t but the councillor knew exactly where I was coming from and what I required from our sessions. The councillor agreed that they don’t deserve me and stated that there are many others who she has found in the same situation.
I left that company with an attitude of fcuk you, you don’t deserve me and neither would I put up with any future **** either from any other company. Having said that I haven’t worked since through family health and a choice of putting them first.
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This might be worth considering, did anyone see the program from a while back presented by one of the Van Tullken brothers where he tried to get patients off medication, one being a young woman suffering from depression, cold water swimming was her saviour.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6112379/
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Mate, my missus takes citalopram and it really helps her. She was dead set against medication for the usual reasons but if you look at them from a different viewpoint, like they are a vitamin for the brain then it makes more sense to help your brain with what it needs to function better.... Good luck with whatever you choose..
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I’m no expert but if your suffering in anyway please talk on here or Pm. Don’t suffer on your own there’s plenty of us on here that will listen
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Don’t think about fishing at the moment mate as even the thought of sorting out and then carrying tackle can sound like too much hard work even before getting to the pool etc.
Try take a walk for a few minutes or even longer if possible...
Good luck buddy.
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Yes I have suffered from depression on & off.
A while back it was really bad, was on medication & getting other help. I nearly committed suicide, things were that bad. Now I think about it now, glad I did not, would have left my wife & son without me. They would have been devastated.
You will be surprised of how many people suffer from depression.
I have managed to get on a much better level nowadays & can manage the depression as best as I can.
One of the best things you are doing is talking about your depression.
Good luck & hope you get the help you need, hope things get better for you.
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Really bad atm been trying every day for a week to go fishing but cant do it.
Never been this bad before and having really dark thoughts. Not just about myself.
If only I could get my arse out and go fishing ffs.
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Thinking too much and worrying too much was my problem and also the cure (it's 'what' you think about), so I focussed on real things, like nature and the realisation that actually being alive is a miracle in itself
Some nice thoughts there Not
Fishing is a magical pastime as is the great outdoors and for me there is no better way to unwind and get away from the hassle and pressures of normal life than on the bank, at one with nature, peace and quite 
There are a lot of options
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Tackling depression is multi faceted Andy. As other's have alluded to chemical imbalances in the brain and body can be sorted with medication. You've burnt up some of these chemicals and they need replacement.
You must persue the counseling mate. Several years ago working for a company with thousands of employees on site we managed to convince the company to appoint a psychiatrist for a couple of hours a week, to be seen by appointment. The results were measurable and a staggering success in getting people back on track.
Good luck
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thanks for the advice guys, cytalopram is what I was on, its not the answer long term but certainly helped short term. things were alot more measured whilst I was on these and my coping mechanisms were alot better. before lockdown I was due for counseling but this got shelved when covid hit.
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Some cracking advice from some cracking posters on this thread. This forum is the best bar none out there.
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Sorry just to add aswell.. Diet was a big thing too - I read about how your gut is your central control room (not your brain), and I found that pickled foods are THE best thing for good gut bacteria, and I am totally convinced this helped. I used to eat red picked cabbage or sauerkraut (£1 a big jar in Lidl) with every meal. Look into that.
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Andy, I was offered anti-depressants about 7 years ago after a very rough period, including losing my job and having a 3 year old boy.
I would really think about taking them. I didn't in the end and am glad for it. I wondered what would happen if I got dependant and the drug company went bust, stuff like that (how would I know if I was out of that dark place?). Would it be the drugs or has my body rebalanced naturally?
Thinking too much and worrying too much was my problem and also the cure (it's 'what' you think about), so I focussed on real things, like nature and the realisation that actually being alive is a miracle in itself and I didn't end up being wiped on the curtains, the odd's of you being born and reading these words is beyond mind blowing. That was enough for me to force myself up off the floor.
Hope that gives you a little perspective and "don't worry too much" - everyone is different.
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First thing to applaud is that you did indeed recognise the concern regards your mental health.
I’ve suffered off and on for many many years with depression and realised that whilst I lost my dad at a young age and my mum 12 or so ago it wasn’t actually mostly that which was causing it.
I had a job looking after people with various mental health issues and to be honest not only was I a natural at it but I bloody loved it. It was when the company that I worked for who were fantastic and supportive lost the tender with the local council and in came another company that were 5h1te and unsupportive and then they began to take the absolute 9155 so i played the system and took a shed load of time off after consulting my GP and got sick notes. I had counselling and it became obvious what was causing my depression. In the end after I had taken all sick pay I was entitled too ‘full pay’ I decided to leave and my union got me a severance pay off but that was after I tried to see if I had a claim for discrimination.
I still have my days now where I feel like **** but not as bad ‘wife would probably disagree though, lol’.
What I’m trying to say is try to pin point as to why you’re feeling so run down and try and concentrate on how you may be able to make it easier for yourself.
Good luck mate as it’s bloody horrible.
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Yes I know a couple of people who are long term users of low dosage meds to keep them in balance. works well for them
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In reply to Post #1
Whilst counselling and CBT can be extra tools to help.
Medication if it works can be life changing for the better. I have two close friends that have been on meds for decades. After all we are all just a bag of water chemicals and electricity. Meds can help the balance.
All the best mate. Youve made the right step. Onwards and upwards.
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Firstly the fact you are talking about it, even to us plebs, means you are not bottling it up which can only be a good thing. I would suggest getting down the DRs this morning and don't leave until you get what you want, get back on the medication and then helpfully things will seem a lot better.
Regarding work, can you talk to them and explain your situation they SHOULD help you, if you quit then will you have money worries? will this add to your anxiety? explain to work you need to take some time off and when/if you return then you want to work the shifts that suit you and what you signed up for.
And lastly if you need to talk there are plenty of us on here that will listen either on here or PM
Good luck mate
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I'm seeing my gp today and no doubt will put back on medication again,not ideal I know as it isnt the answer long term.
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Hi Andy,
What about going back to your GP and get back on the medication that you were on?
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anyone on here suffer from depression??
a few years back I was diagnosed with depression,quite severe by what the gp said and I started on medication and was going to start some counselling but that stopped when covid hit..ealier this year I felt well enough to come off medication but its been a steady decline since then...
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