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In reply to Post #31
Absolutely mate.
And if I think to that the carp was a big and stunning one as well, a dark coloured common, it adds a bit of sadness being the culprit of such a lost.
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In reply to Post #21
I fish busy club waters. I try to see signs of fish before I set up in a swim. First day / night I only bait up a few freebies next to my bait. Just in case the previous person in the swim filled it in. Where I fish lots of bait equals lots of bream. Better to fish very tight or use pva bags and stringers. You can go the other way and bait heavily but only if you are doing a long session and are prepared for three nights without sleep catching bream. The carp will eventually come but it's exhausting being up all night catching bream.
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In reply to Post #22
Exactly.
Water quality is key to a fishes good health and is especially important if we are going to give a fish a stressful time.
Tazi.
I’ve also seen the same but even just throughout one day on a busy lake. Anglers changing swims, others taking their place, all throwing in large quantities of bait, no wonder some carp are fighting like bream, water quality and oxygen levels must be on the floor.
Bacteria will be thriving though.
I suspect by the end of the summer we could be seeing some sick fish around.
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In reply to Post #28
That must have been very worrying
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In reply to Post #22
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I caught a carp few years ago... during the fight, a good scrap indeed, at least until I got the carp to the surface and it take the first breath of air. After that moment the fish wasn't able to dive properly under water and fought trashing the surface. After netted and take some pics, when I release it, the carp swam only to the surface, when i pushed it underwater it come up and floating like a buoy. Apparently a bladder issue. I managed to solve the problem moving the fish in the water, trying to oxygenate it, pushing gently the belly in an attempt to get the bladder release the air, nothing, it continue to float. After 45 minutes the carp swam away in open water always showing the back and the tail out of the water swimming back and forth in front of my swim for at least 20 minutes then disappeared down, when it released the air trapped in its swim bladder.
It was a strange experience and was afraid the fish could had died.
I heard grass carp often suffer bladder issue when they rest too much out of the water.
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In reply to Post #26
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In reply to Post #23
Heavy Barbel gear (12lb line, 2.25 rods), always rest them in the net before unhooking and I don’t keep them out long (2 photos and that’s it). It’s just down to the time of year and water temps, any warmer than now and I won’t fish for them until it cools.
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In reply to Post #24
Fair point.
Incidentally I always rest carp as well after la ding them, 5 mi utes in the net before I u hook them and put them in the Retainer.
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In reply to Post #23
Very true that, I had a run of catching them while trotting pellets tp pick out the better roach/chub, then on another stretch fishing for them, all of the safe returning spots were in slack water separated from the flow by big clumps of weed in summer. A few long releases later it was either find a better way or avoid the river at the most productive time of year. It works a bit too well during the rest period before unhooking, they can recover a bit too much and scrap on the bank, I've kind of learned to guage it now how long to give them so there strong but not going mental on the bank
I've not spoken much about using it for carp, among the first few people I told one lad asked "so you can leave them in there for a few hours then mate", that made me wonder a bit about people leaving fish in slings for extended periods because they think its fine with the extra oxygen
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In reply to Post #19
Good idea that mate.
In my experience the biggest problem with barbel comes from people using light gear and playing the poor things for half an hour or so. I’ve not had too much trouble with barbel going back, but I use quite strong gear...but I always give them a rest in the net before unhooking and before returning, I think the rest before unhooking is crucial with barbel but don’t see many doing it.
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In reply to Post #21
Having kept koi and learnt a lot about water quality, I appreciate how much potential harm can be done by over feeding this time of year, when oxygen levels are low.
So I always err on the cautious side and just put a little in for a start then take it from there. I always remember the point that once it’s in the lake you can’t take it out again.
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In reply to Post #16
Used to go for a week at a time. Incredible that one turns up to fish for a day/night and puts in kilos and kilos of bait. He leaves and in moves the next person doing exactly the same. Repeat to fade. Got sick n tired of seeing it but considering they were breaking no rules nothing could be said. Personally I think it’s sickening to see.
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In reply to Post #16
Yes m8,totally agree with that😡
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In reply to Post #18
I rigged up a live bait pump I could clip to a landing net pole for my barbel fishing, a lot of the time you can't get down to water level and this makes a huge difference to recovery times in summer. I can also fit it to my carp recovery sling. Particularly helpful in shallow weedy margins where the oxygen levels plummet at night
I think chub make a sling with a pump built in, not seen it advertised for a while tho
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In reply to Post #1
Just got to take time to nurse them back to health. Barbel turn belly up almost every time as they give absolutely everything during a fight. It sometimes takes 10 minutes to get their strength back.
Carp are different, usually a lot more hardy and I’m not having a go because you’ve done nothing different to pretty much everyone else, but I’ve always cringed at the amount of time they’re kept out of water when watching videos etc.
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In reply to Post #13
Good man that man
This isn't aimed at you mate but I very rarely see any advice re margins and deoxygenation at this time of year, ie, hot temps. I was given the riot act turning up to a French water early 0's as the previous U.K guys had sacked mid am and not woken until lunch, result dead Carp to upper 30s across 3 double pegs :-(
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In reply to Post #15
And made worse by too much bait going in, not getting eaten, so it goes rotten and the water quality gets worse, so no body catches anything, so some noddy thinks they’ll get the lake going by putting loads of bait in, and the circle starts all over again
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In reply to Post #1
We've had fish on the lake next door to the syndicate just sitting in the margins for literally hours and not moving at all (last week) they have now put the pump in there and this seems to have helped but the water in both lakes seems pretty bad this year.
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In reply to Post #13
well played glw
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In reply to Post #12
I left the fish in the sling next to the inlet from the lake behind overnight and it seemed fine this morning it swam off no problem. I have informed the bailiff and he will bring it to the attention of the relevant people so hopefully they can try to stop it.
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In reply to Post #1
Just for thought, leaving it in the net to recover might have made the situation worse as often when its hot the upper layers of waters or shallow water have low oxygen levels.
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In reply to Post #8
Yep 👍, get a bucket pour water from height to create bubbles near the fish
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In reply to Post #1
Definitely inform the water owner and say that you think the oxygen level is dangerously low and that his stock are at great risk. Pike and perch are usually the first to go and carp often the last but that doesn't mean they will be ok if action isn't taken.
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In reply to Post #8
Done this myself a few times when they’ve been a bit sluggish to go back, usually sorts them after 5 or so minutes. Well worth the extra effort.
@OP worth ringing the bailiff/management as if it is a DO issue then it can get real bad real quick
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In reply to Post #1
Sounds like oxygen issues. Give them an oxygen bath in the net, it will help. Keep them in the edge in the net or sling, and use your hand or a bucket to get plenty of water movement, giving them more oxygen
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In reply to Post #4
Agreed, sou ds like an oxygen problem, has there been an algae bloom? This has happened recently on the big s.😔
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In reply to Post #1
Same thing happened Burghfields Tigernut Fish !! Well known angler caught it & it poped its Cloggs
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In reply to Post #4
I agree, it does sound like dissolved oxygen issues, particularly with the Pike deaths, they would be one of the first species affected.
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In reply to Post #1
let the bailiff asap could be a oxygen problem, one call could save alot more fish,
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In reply to Post #1
I had one just sit in the margin for half an hour during the winter
Only went of when I went to pick it back up
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In reply to Post #1
As a side of precaution. Give the water management a call.
Also it could be something to do with gas/swim bladder issue. Maybe...
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I just caught a small a carp around 17lbs it did not really fight at all but i left it to recover in the net for 5 mins before putting it on the mat. It was out the water for 3 to 4 mins but when I went to return it it just swam around in circles I managed to net it again and left there for ten minutes before trying to release it again and it just swam around on the surface on its side. I netted it again and its in the sling but its not looking good. I never dropped or mishandled the fish in anyway it just does not seem right. I caught a 24lb mirror yesterday and that did not put up a fight either and needed a little help but it swam off fine. I was wondering if anyone could give me any advice on why the fish are so sluggish considering the time of year. I'm hoping the 17lb will recover but its a bit weird I've never had a carp do this before. Does anybody have any suggestions why the carp may be struggling. There have been a few pike that have died recently I'm wondering if maybe there is a problem with the water quality or oxygen levels. 
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