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In reply to Post #35
If you are talking about tetraterpenoids then they are organic pigments  might not dye bait as such but they are nature's dye. At the levels recommended in research papers, such as 50mg/kg of feed for one that comes to mind, they won't give much colour.
Azo dyes are used in some baits but strictly speaking I think they are now only supposed do be used in non-feed bait such as hookbaits only.
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In reply to Post #34
It does dye but its not a dye per say
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In reply to Post #33
other azo dyes are available  do they really make that much of a difference though 
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In reply to Post #30
So are you putting Sudan 1 dye in it ?
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In reply to Post #31
Now there's a question 😉
PM me.. Also, are you part of a bait company? As I have 2 already ask me in the past month what I am adding and in what quantities!! Don't mind if uts personal use 
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In reply to Post #30
What else are you adding if you dont mind me asking x
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In reply to Post #28
I still haven't blanked since June 😊
Fishing this weekend, hopefully the run of luck continues.
Just made 20kg of bait. And 150 hand rolled corkball wafters..
Slight tweak to the mix adding Robin Red hydro with all the 80s ingredients that used to stain the fish red.. looks the nuts! 
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In reply to Post #6
this would be interesting
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In reply to Post #26
Excellent mix as are all the mixes they come up with.....
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In reply to Post #6
Hi,
Could you share with me also, would be greatly appreciated?
Jay
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In reply to Post #25
Yes its been doing well for me catching every session on it, mainly the bigger fish too. I've been using jb plum instead of the trop liquid
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In reply to Post #23
It is a quality mix , there’s a lot of knowledge gone into that basemix
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In reply to Post #1
I’d start off by substituting 100g of the SG60 for 100g milks and PDFM , the fruit stim is quite high too , if it’s anything like BAF’s fruit sense you’ll only need 4-5g max
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In reply to Post #22
It’s a quality mix mate, you could tweak it however you like 
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In reply to Post #21
I thought that looked a decent mix to be honest. With couple of additional powdered attractors I think I’d pretty much use that as is. Not sure on the tropical fruit personally. I prefer my big fish mixes to smell unpleasant, not a fan of Carp sweets other than for runs waters.
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In reply to Post #18
Hmbb from BAFS
Is this the TROPP amino your talking about?
Seen this on their site. Looks like a cracking base mix that for anybody or people who are unsure. People will struggle to put something like that together when starting out. Plus you can buy it in smaller quantities, knock it up as you need it, fresher the better for me
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In reply to Post #1
Good on you for having a crack
Should roll Ok looking at the semo and CLO. Bloke once told me years ago, making bait is like making chairs, first one don’t look like a chair, then your making something that looks like a chair before your knocking out chairs until eventually you will have a few masterpieces
If the truth be know anybody who has made bait has started off similar trying to create the holy grail of carp baits, the ultimate bait with lots of “ultimate” ingredients
The more you roll, the more your interest in bait ingredients grows and the more you will refine your preferences. You can calculate nutritional profiles and then look into more details such ast amino content, vitamins and minerals etc
Then somebody comes along with a poor nutritional attractor bait and empty’s the lake lol
Attractors are mainly a personal favourite for me based on experience but there’s enough information out there to find the really good ones nowadays
All part of the learning curve.NOTHING gives you more pleasure or confidence than catching on your own bait
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In reply to Post #18
Really?
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In reply to Post #17
Some of the comments are a bit harsh I think.. looks like a decent mix.
Try it, if it catches you fish then why not. I've been using Hmbb from BAFS and tweaking it, extra expensive milks like rennet and some GLM , FF6 etc.. catches fish..
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I was taught that each ingredient must provide an advantage and not detract from the other ingredients. If you don’t know what that advantage / disadvantage is then you shouldn’t include it. That goes for every ingredient
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I wouldn’t be rolling that for a beginner it’s way to complicated. Why dont you just buy a pre made base mix to start and learn the very basics. Getting your baits Perfectly round, boiling times to play around with I like mine to still be paste in the middle. Air drying times I don’t like to air dry for too long maybe 8 hours Still like them to be fairly soft. I don’t want all the moisture to be gone and completely dry the mix out. Start mega simple or you can lose yourself up your own arse very quickly
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In reply to Post #6
this 
the carpcatcher series of videos is imo worth a look for mixes which look straightforward and he did alright on them when he was using them.
inspired me to roll some hookbaits
didnt go the whole hog yet however
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There is no such thing as a "hydroslate" 
HY
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FFS 
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In reply to Post #10
He puts 15 dry ingredients in his mix and then tells you why he's using two of them. Classic. Use a simple mix or use your own mix, it's your choice at the end of the day.
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In reply to Post #7
So there's not actually a reason then  it's way too complicated, as mentioned the forum recipe is a good starting place.
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In reply to Post #1
Way to complicated 
Try the BM1 mix from this forum, add maybe one flavour and a liquid food. It will work better than that
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In reply to Post #7
Just to complicated.
You can use LT94 and milk proteins they will both catch in winter and summer.
Semo - 150
Soya - 150
CLO - 150
Whey or Lamlac - 100
LT94 - 300
PDFM - 100
50 grams to do what you like with
Nice and simple and will catch fish.
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In reply to Post #3
right her goes IP.100,
the reasons i have put each ingredient in is as ( i t my the right, it my be wrong but that i asked for other peoples constructive advice that no more that me)
Semolina - cause its high in carbs around the 70 percent mark, its a good flavor carrier and it give a gently firming structure to bait which should make the rolling process a bit easier.
LT-46 fish meal - because it Around the 70% protein mark so it high in protein, which one of the main ingredients/reasons for boille and i,m lead to believe that Lt-46 is one better one and easier to to digested .
(to be honest i was unsure on the lt-46 or milk powder because of the winter/summer debate about milk proteins but i went with lt-46 in because its more digestible for the fish)
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I will dig out an old recipe for you. It’s the liver mix. Very cheap and all ingredients can be purchased from a supermarket/ health food shop. You can get started and rolling for a few quid as well as catching.
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In reply to Post #1
I would stick to five base mix ingredients at the most then add a flavour to the eggs before getting too complicated.
You want to avoid a pantry full of ingredients that may not get used in the long term and one if not the biggest benefits of bait making yourself is freshness of ingredients / finished bait.
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In reply to Post #1
Sorry but that's a mess. It will cost a fortune and not achieve what you want it to. Keep it simple to start with. Why not have a read of the carpforum approved recipe at the top of the page and follow that. It was put together by a bait maker so the quantities have been worked out for nutrition and you can be sure it will roll.
Rather than loads of different ingredients just use the one s you need. Fishmeal, semo, soya, lamlac and wheatgerm will make you a perfectly decent basemix which will catch you carp
300,200,200,200 and 100.
Some oil, good dollop of hydroslate and a flavour if you think it needs it. More effective and probably 1/3 of the cost of the one you posted.
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In reply to Post #1
Do you actually know why youv out each thing in? Because tbh it looks a bit like you've read a load of descriptions on feed stimulants site and decided to chuck it all in
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Hi, if you are new to bait making I would check out some of the simple recipes on this site.
What you have posted looks far to complicated.
Best keep it simple and use a tried and tested recipe.
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HI Everyone
I have been wanting to make my own biollies for a while now so can i no what going into them ingredient is of benefit to the fish and not just load of bulking agents with flavor , and also i think it will give my fishing an extra edge as i will be using a bait no one else is using.
so i have final got around to getting all the relevant equipment i need to make and roll the boillies.
Now i no this question probably get asked a lot on this forum and a lot of it will be down to trial and error and experimentation on my behalf , but after a lot of research over last few mouths i think i have settled on a list of ingredients that i wont to use and the amounts i wont to use them to create a HNV boille , however i still a little unsure that i have gone over the top and put to much nutrition into it (if that is even possible)/over complicated it, so i was hoping some of the more experience boille maker that have been doing it a while could offer some advice on the ingredients i have chosen, such what to take out or put in ?? or if decrease the amount or increase the amounts of some ingredients ??? etc
The ingredients list is as follows
Ingredient’s Amount Per KG
fine semolina 250g
lt-94 200g
CLO 200g
Super gold 200g
mulit Vit 3g
Betaine 10g
fruit Stim 10g
citric acid 2g
Enzymes compound powder 3g
Gml 30g
kola nut 5g
Careatine 5g
yeast culture 30g
kelp 50g
Pink rock salt 3g
liquid sweet fruit 10ml
Peach Melba 2ml
black peeper oil 1ml
frutiy almond 2ml
Any advice big or small is greatly appreciated
Thank you
Scott
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