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whataclonker
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whataclonker
   Old Thread  #57 21 Sept 2025 at 2.25pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #56
This is what I do usually.

Keep it under firm tension on the retrieve & you'll probably find that one good cast is enough.

You could use an unscented baby wipe & give it a clean while your at it.

Kills 2 birds with 1 PVA bag of stones!
0nslow
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0nslow
   Old Thread  #56 21 Sept 2025 at 1.03pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #54
Thanks, yeah that makes sense.

The other option I suppose is to do a few pva bags of stones and hurl it into the middle of the pond. Couple of casts on each rod should sort it sufficiently.

woody71
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   Old Thread  #55 20 Sept 2025 at 8.37pm  1  Login    Register
In reply to Post #54
I didnt think it worked as well (using distance sticks)as having the line layed out in its entire length, i may be wrong but i think the line untwists better layed out as its not restrained between the distance sticks
whataclonker
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whataclonker
   Old Thread  #54 20 Sept 2025 at 7.19pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #50
I'm not sure it will work so well TBH. I can see it potentially turning into a mess if you have a lot of twist &/or winding some of the twist back on. As the twist you'll be pushing out will be condensed & trapped, instead of being able to travel freely down the line & out the end.

It's a good idea in theory though, & it would be nice to find a "do it at home" solution, unless you have the luxury of a large garden of course.

If it does work then let me know!
rodrest
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rodrest
   Old Thread  #53 20 Sept 2025 at 6.25pm  2  Login    Register
In reply to Post #52
The bail arm roller has a lot to do with line twist 🤔
Zack
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   Old Thread  #52 20 Sept 2025 at 3.08pm  1  Login    Register
The "Bail arm roller" has nothing to do with line twist, it only makes it easier for the line to go on and come off the spool smoothly by rotating like a pulley.

For those of us old enough to remember, fixed spool reels in the 60's and 70's had a fixed Bail arm roller, if I recall it was made from "carbide steel" and never rotated and we never got line twist because it was fixed .

I still use my Mitchell 300's and 410's to this day and I don't get line twist, even after a days trotting down the river were your constantly casting out and reeling in. If not having a rotating roller caused line twist, the reels would be a pain in the neck to use.

A good few years, I bought a set of Mitchell Avocets for spare reels for carp fishing as I heard so much good about them, they turned out to be the worst reels that I have ever used, apart from line getting behind the spool constantly, line twist was horrendous, and they had a "Roller Bail arm so they got sling in back of the shed.

Line twist is caused by the user by doing something wrong. And fast gear ratio' s do not help, I often see anglers winding in as fast as they can, and if you have a flat pear on etc, it must cause it to spin rapidly. I like to wind in slow, never use the drag and always play fish back winding until the fish is ready for netting and I slacken it off for that last mad charge that could catch you out. Also open Bail arm for sending the boat out and walking the line down the bank..

It very rare for me to get line twist and I put it down to getting runs with the spool turning and Bail arm closed and eventually twist builds up. So long as you put the line on correct, off the side on bulk spools and off the end for joined up spools, the simple rule is, "Line going out, Bail arm open, line coming in, Bail arm closed
RKB
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   Old Thread  #51 20 Sept 2025 at 7.26am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #50
It will, but a good stretch will help.
0nslow
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0nslow
   Old Thread  #50 20 Sept 2025 at 6.28am  0  Login    Register
I've picked up a bit ot line twist stretching out some Fluoro and can't be arsed to go back to the field and walk out the line etc

So I was thinking, could I just wrap it around sticks without a weight on and wind in? Figured this would achieve the same outcome.

What do you think?
Tinhead
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Tinhead
   Old Thread  #49 13 Aug 2020 at 4.45pm  0  Login    Register
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AND HERE
rodrest
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rodrest
   Old Thread  #48 13 Aug 2020 at 4.38pm  0  Login    Register
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Chuffy
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   Old Thread  #47 13 Aug 2020 at 3.35pm  0  Login    Register
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and HERE
ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #46 13 Aug 2020 at 3.04pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #45
The reel only adds twist if your bail arm roller isn't working properly, so the correct way is as stated in tin heads clip
phil090781
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   Old Thread  #45 13 Aug 2020 at 2.44pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #44
correct, to counteract the twist your reel is adding by turning the line 90 degrees.

You're right, mono is manufactured in a linear process and is would on to the bulk spool 'straight on' but you have to factor in the twist added by the reel, and loading off the side of the spool helps counteracts this (as long as you do it the right side)
ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #44 13 Aug 2020 at 1.54pm  0  Login    Register
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You are saying line should be taken off the bulk spool by laying it on its side, no?
phil090781
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   Old Thread  #43 13 Aug 2020 at 1.52pm  0  Login    Register
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I don't think you read my post properly.
ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #42 13 Aug 2020 at 1.35pm  0  Login    Register
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No it isnt, its taking it off in the reverse of how it went on. The link tin head put up shows the correct method
phil090781
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   Old Thread  #41 13 Aug 2020 at 11.58am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #37
You're putting twist in the line by spooling it horizontally on your reel (via the line roller) Label up vs label down is effectively unwinding the line off the bulk spook clockwise or counter clockwise. Having the bulk spool one way will counteract the twist you're adding at the reel end, and the other way will exacerbate it.
ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #40 13 Aug 2020 at 10.38am  0  Login    Register
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Looks just the job that does👍
Tinhead
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Tinhead
   Old Thread  #39 13 Aug 2020 at 10.38am  0  Login    Register
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its got nothing to do with labels
Mentioning labels was an easy way to describe the orientation of the spool, unless you've got an old Mitchell reel the label facing you is in most cases the accepted way if you have faith in this method.
Maybe my post didn't make it clear but your post doesn't make it clear to me, do you use a method similar to that in my link and chuffy's pic or do you do the other method. If it was the later then according to you I shouldn't of got the problem but I did..

If this post confuses then maybe leave it there as I'm with IP100 and Chuffy on this as it works for me and whatever you do works for you
Chuffy
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Chuffy
   Old Thread  #38 13 Aug 2020 at 10.37am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #37
Or wing it like this

ip100
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ip100
   Old Thread  #37 13 Aug 2020 at 9.57am  0  Login    Register
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I've never understood why people say that, line doesn't go onto the spool from the side, so why take it off that way? It's wound around the central spindle of the spool, therefore it shouldn't come off either label side or the other side, but from straight between the 2 sides, The same way that an extension lead comes out and retracts for example. The spooling tool you can buy on ebay for a few quid is the way to do it properly, or get someone with a pencil through the spool
yonny
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yonny
   Old Thread  #36 13 Aug 2020 at 9.54am  0  Login    Register
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Some lines are oscillated during loading of the spool so you have to use a different method entirely to load them (spool on the side vs. spool flat). You really need to check during loading to make sure you're using the suitable method.
rodrest
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rodrest
   Old Thread  #35 13 Aug 2020 at 9.46am  0  Login    Register
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When your putting on new line the line goes on to the reel spool clockwise so has to come off the manufacturers spool anti clockwise if your laying it flat on the floor. Its got nothing to do with labels, probably why you got twist straight away. Been spooling up like this for years and never had a problem.
yonny
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yonny
   Old Thread  #34 13 Aug 2020 at 9.33am  0  Login    Register
It is dead easy to determine if your line is twisting during loading. Put on a say 30 yards, open the bail arm, and pull off a yard or 2. You'll see it coiling/twisting straight away if you're using the wrong method (and there certainly are right/wrong methods for lines from different manufacturers). If it coils/twists, turn the spool of line over and repeat the process.
As long as you're careful and check the line during loading there is no reason that line should ever be twisted after loading.
Tinhead
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Tinhead
   Old Thread  #33 13 Aug 2020 at 9.23am  0  Login    Register
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After many years of using Daiwa Sensor and after reading how good Shimano Technium was I put some on my Infinity BR reels. When putting the new line on I used the method whereby you have the label facing you so in theory the coils come off and onto the reel in the same direction. I suffered line twist almost immediately, I tried the going to a field and reeling in method quite a few times and that only made a slight improvement so I binned it and put on more new Technium but this time used a method that was a bit like this
LINK
All ok now
BillsBankLife
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BillsBankLife
   Old Thread  #32 13 Aug 2020 at 8.57am  0  Login    Register
i have used the spin doctor and to be honest although it worked i still don't think you can beat going to a large field /park and stretching out the line. i normally go to a local park wrap it round the goalpost and stretch it out a couple of times then run a warm cloth up and down the line a few times.

amount of comments you get from passers by saying no fish in here mate , used to it now lol

another trick i do is the night before a fishing trip i soak wrist sweatbands in very hot water and place them over my spool, when it comes to fishing the line is perfect and limp and so much better to work with.
jam-ie
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jam-ie
   Old Thread  #31 12 Aug 2020 at 11.04pm  0  Login    Register
As stated I followed the advice but used wrapping sticks cut the lead off and wind back on using a wet sponge wedged in the butt ring and a dripping wet towel took 90% of the twist out
Tinhead
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Tinhead
   Old Thread  #30 11 Aug 2020 at 9.40pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #28
How did you put the line on. With the label facing you with coils coming off towards you or the spool upright so the line comes off straight.
AndyCarper82
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   Old Thread  #29 11 Aug 2020 at 8.46pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #28
We've all had it. it's not twisted when its spooled up by the supplier, it gets twisted by us.

As said below you need to remove the twist, the walk if out on a field and reel if back in through a towel usually does the trick.

It's not bad line...
billy-bass
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billy-bass
   Old Thread  #28 11 Aug 2020 at 7.50pm  0  Login    Register
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Its around a month old and not really been used much. This line has been pretty poor since i first spooled it on. Its really bad on all three rods, and I've tried it with a variety of rigs to try and eliminate something but its still twisting.
I can see a change of line coming pretty soon as I'm not impressed at all
wetnet
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wetnet
   Old Thread  #27 11 Aug 2020 at 6.48pm  0  Login    Register
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Had massive issues with my Exocet yesterday unbelievable amount of twist and it’s floating. It’s only been on for two session but both were in these ridiculous temperatures so I’m thinking this could be an issue as I’ve never really had any problems before.
Tinhead
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Tinhead
   Old Thread  #26 11 Aug 2020 at 6.47pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #25
Is this new line you've just put on?
billy-bass
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billy-bass
   Old Thread  #25 11 Aug 2020 at 6.41pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #24
Thanks mate, i forgot to say I've done that too. The line is spilling off the spool and wrapping around the eyes too, couod it be the heat, or crap line? Never had it like this before
carpe_diem
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carpe_diem
   Old Thread  #24 11 Aug 2020 at 6.24pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #23
Oil your bail arm roller , don’t get it on the line though
billy-bass
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billy-bass
   Old Thread  #23 11 Aug 2020 at 6.18pm  0  Login    Register
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absolutely pulling my hair out with the twist im getting with the fox exocet tapered line. Ive tried all methods to stop it twisting but its still doing it. I've tried walking it out, a spin doctor and playing fish by back winding... any other tips would be greatly appreciated
jam-ie
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jam-ie
   Old Thread  #22 3 Apr 2020 at 1.49pm  0  Login    Register
Actually got stopped by the Rozzers on the way to a particularly large field less than 1/2 a mile away from my house, so used the wrap sticks same method cut the lead off then wound on through a wet sponge literally removed almost all of the twist so very happy cheers chaps 👍
Fozzy
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Fozzy
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   Old Thread  #21 24 Mar 2020 at 7.42am  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #16
Whip them together with some wire trace innit Stu.
Sgfc
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   Old Thread  #20 23 Mar 2020 at 10.47pm  0  Login    Register
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doh!
jam-ie
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jam-ie
   Old Thread  #19 23 Mar 2020 at 10.37pm  0  Login    Register
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Haha was so looking forward to getting out fishing but no bloody lockdown!!
Cam
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Cam
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   Old Thread  #18 23 Mar 2020 at 10.31pm  0  Login    Register
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You can use it as an excuse for your daily piece of exercise Boris is letting you do
Halfcentury
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   Old Thread  #17 23 Mar 2020 at 9.30pm  0  Login    Register
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I think bivviewrecker might be being a little tinker. Bless.
Sgfc
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   Old Thread  #16 23 Mar 2020 at 9.27pm  0  Login    Register
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in what way Foz? they don't come with one.
Fozzy
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Fozzy
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   Old Thread  #15 23 Mar 2020 at 9.21pm  0  Login    Register
Dont forget the swivel on the spin doctor
jam-ie
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jam-ie
   Old Thread  #14 23 Mar 2020 at 8.21pm  0  Login    Register
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These haven’t even seen the bank yet
Hutchyfan
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   Old Thread  #13 23 Mar 2020 at 6.59pm  0  Login    Register
I reduced my line twist drastically when I switched from playing fish from the clutch to back winding.

I peeled off as much line as I could and as often as I could to reduce the twist.
jam-ie
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jam-ie
   Old Thread  #12 23 Mar 2020 at 5.47pm  0  Login    Register
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Yeah I’m resigned to having to find a big field to do this haha
Cam
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   Old Thread  #11 23 Mar 2020 at 2.17pm  0  Login    Register
I'm lucky that I have a big playing field in front of my house.

I literally cut any lead off etc..
Grabbed the end of the line with an open bail arm
Walked, counting 100-120 steps ( I don't fish more than 80 yrds atm)
Walked back.
With a damp sponge, held the line to the rod blank and reeled it in, under tension until it was all back on the reel.

Did this for each rod. Pretty much removed the line twist.

jam-ie
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jam-ie
   Old Thread  #10 22 Mar 2020 at 6.45pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #9
Ok thanks bud
AmylNitrate
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   Old Thread  #9 22 Mar 2020 at 6.34pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #3
Distance sticks, not really, as the line tension will still be there.
As mentioned, an open field or spin doctor if you can't.
jam-ie
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jam-ie
   Old Thread  #8 22 Mar 2020 at 6.10pm  0  Login    Register
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If this method doesn’t work will certainly be buying one mate
the888account
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   Old Thread  #7 22 Mar 2020 at 5.53pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #6
Just use a spin doctor lead......2-3 casts and it will remove the twist.
jam-ie
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jam-ie
   Old Thread  #6 22 Mar 2020 at 5.44pm  0  Login    Register
In reply to Post #5
Well I have nothing to lose as the current condition of the line is no good so will give it a try round the sticks and just be careful when I get to the last few turns
Cypry1994
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   Old Thread  #5 22 Mar 2020 at 5.29pm  0  Login    Register
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I’m not sure to be fair only thing I can think of is when all that twist is built up before the last couple of wraps it may wrap round your rod and sticks
jam-ie
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jam-ie
   Old Thread  #3 22 Mar 2020 at 5.25pm  0  Login    Register
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Might sound silly but could I do the same method but use wrapping sticks??
Cypry1994
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   Old Thread  #2 22 Mar 2020 at 5.20pm  0  Login    Register
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If you can find the space go to an open field with your rods with a lead on then open the bail arm then walk the rod until the spools nearly empty. Cut the lead off so it’s just line then go back to your rod and wind your line in through a damp cloth with some tension so it goes onto your reel right. I used to have terrible line twist and did this and it totally eliminated it.
jam-ie
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jam-ie
   Old Thread  #1 22 Mar 2020 at 5.18pm  0  Login    Register
Is there anyway to remove line twist?? I spooled my tournies and had forgotten to remove the washer to even the line lay up, so have just loaded the line onto a diff reel and despite it being on there less than a week and unused it’s twisted, I used the sponge in the butt ring method
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