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Has anyone else found the Solar SP c-tech memory foam sleep system to be cold too? I feel the cold nowadays and it went to about 4-5 degrees I think and I was cold with both layers on. I think my trakker 365 is warmer than the Solar bag.
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Just to prove we are all different I HATED my Nash SS
in theory it sounded wonderful and I could not wait to get one but the reality was quite different
its never in a million years gonna be as good as a separate bag and bed IMHO I have had lots of beds and bags before and since all brilliant
Please remember OPINIONS ARE LIKE BUMHOLES WE ALL HAVE ONE 
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Both sleep systems and seperates are versatile , it's whatever you find best. I far prefer a sleep system ,I find it more comfortable and plenty warm enough. I use the 5 season Nash one, and have a chub bedchair cover for the depths of winter . My SS gives me everything I need for 12 months if the year ,just as a bed and bag seperate setup will if you have the right bag(s).
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Nash Indulgence 5 Season with shroud.
Very cold and wet, sleeping outside - both covers on and waterproof shroud
Very cold - both covers on
Mild - zip off top cover
Hot - zip off both covers, use 3 season cover as a sheet.
Hot and wet and sleeping outside - both covers off and just waterproof shroud
What separate set up is more flexible than that?
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In reply to Post #43
Had both SS and non SS over the years - and seperate bed and bag has so many more advantages and much greater flexibility
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In reply to Post #34
Agreed 100%
Sleep systems cold in winter
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Separate bag for me as ive always found the sleep systems to becto restrictive arround my feet!
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In reply to Post #40
As for me, I’m more about sleep systems. It’s always more comfortable and healthier for your back. I’ve spent a lot of nights under the sky, so I know what I’m saying. Tbh, during such trips, I sometimes miss my lovely bed, which I’ve been looking for so long and finally found on https://bedselection.co.uk/. I have problems with my back, so it was really tough to find a suitable mattress for me. I’ve read some guides and have chosen the proper one. So I always try to take care of my back, even if I go overnight fishing. Health is the most valuable thing we have.
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In reply to Post #39
No worries pal thought would offer
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In reply to Post #38
No mate it was the actual adjuster that set the head rest just whacked it on eBay and got another one to much faff in replacing them
And thanks mate very generous of you 👍
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In reply to Post #37
Did you break the leg adjusters?
One of mine broke and nash sent me 2 x full feet with adjusters. Still have them both if i can dig them out of garage happy to send you 1 if you pay the postage. Thats if it will fit mind you. Pm me if you want it
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In reply to Post #36
I broke my indulgence the adjusters broke so bought a Cyprinus one 5 season it’s ok not like an indulgence though
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In reply to Post #33
Same here couldn't live without my mf60 wideboy 5 season system. Unfortunately its heavy and bulky as hell but so comfortable and warm. Prefer sleeping on that then my own bed 😂😂😂 Mind you probably weighs more then my bed lol
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100% separate bag and bed for me.
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Initially I thought a Sleep system made perfect sense
and I bought one but after using it for a fair few sessions I decided the disadvantages far outweighed the advantages and sold it
and I would never ever !! buy another sleep system
I far and away prefer the greater versatility of a separate bedchair bag and cover
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In reply to Post #1
Nash 5 season Indulgence sleep system is by far the best I've ever used. I can't ever see myself using a conventional bag again. I would be interested to see if anyone can produce a lightweight system that could match the comfort. warmth. and versatility of the Indulgence.as it weighs a ton.
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In reply to Post #31
Oh, that's a tough one. But I think I'd stick to a sleeping bag. I'm actually thinking of going fishing soon, and I'm looking to get myself a new sleeping bag. The Snugpak Techlite sleeping bag is really cool, but damn it, it's so expensive. Oh, I'm also looking for a pillow that doesn't go flat. Does anyone know where I could get a similar sleeping bag to the one from Snugpak and a pillow, but for cheaper? If yes, please don't hesitate to share them with me! Looking forward to hearing from you!
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In reply to Post #30
It is sold as a sleep system but is Solar bedchair and sleepbag not separate? (sleeping bag not zipped in bedchair)
I am also for Bedchair and sleeping bag apart, you also lose an extra layer (where you lie on) when you have a sleep system.
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In reply to Post #29
Solar sleep system is the dogs bollox!
I have had nash ones and the solar beats them by a long way
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Ive got a Nash 5 season SS3 system. It’s great. Nice thick mattress that goes completely flat and firm enough that I can sleep on my front. Only bed that I’ve used that I’ve been able to do that comfortably. Use it through the winter and never been cold. Zip off the top layer in the summer.
Either I’m incredibly strong, or they are not as heavy as everyone goes on about. Not as heavy as my old wychwood tactical and Trakker big snooze and thermal cover, and much more comfortable.
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In reply to Post #15
I’ve met as many people like the Nash system as hate it.
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I prefer separate bags and bed chairs.
A) I have the bags I want to use through out the year I have 3. Summer bag, 4 season and extreme weather. Although I’ve had various bags during the last 30 years that have done me proud.
B) the real bone of contention is bedchairs, you don’t really know if they are comfy. I had a JRC for years which I was Young, I used to and seemed to enjoy sleep on it, it died and I purchased a chub which looked and felt the part and for a year or two it was ok until I noticed how much the a bend in the frame was really making it uncomfortable. So I’d try and level it out etc (oh I’ve always used a thermorest having purchased one in 95 when traveling Oz) yet it really did stand out after a few years and so I purchased an Avid restbite superb and left the thermorest at home. A few years later ungraded to the benchmark and that’s been very good.
You can get good bags, bedchairs on the other hand are more tricky to get it right, id like to look at the Solar as people do say that’s superb.
For me a sleep system would be a step backwards and you would have two potential problems.
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In reply to Post #25
16 year old jrc stealth bed. Swooped all elastic few years ago to make it more firm. Inflatable mattress from sainsbury's.. summer I use a cheap trakker 3 season again 16 years old. Sometimes add the trakker fleece overblacket in cold spring and early autumn. Height of summer just the trakker blanket. In winter I use a 5 season trakker armo peachskin and the fleece over blanket warm as toast. The bed with new cord as good as new. 
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In reply to Post #10
Indulgence don't have a built in pillow
The two models of Indulgence beds (neither were sleep systems) I owned on the past both had zip sections containing really thin & nasty lightly filled bean bag pillows. Replaced them each time with a rhomboid shaped memory foam pillow instead which helped but still required a separate pillow to make it properly comfortable to rest my spine. Later ones had toggles on them to fit an optional pillow.
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100% separate bag & bed. The only sleep system I ever felt close to separates was the one on the Fox Flatliter MK2 series of beds. Being zipped on around the edges made it feel like a proper bag. With separates you can then use what is best for you personally. Sometimes the beds in the system are spot on but the dedicated bag/cover is not as good as a different sleeping bag which may suit your heat preferences/inner lining type/etc or your body shape better.
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I bought a Trakker rlx superlite and a Trakker 365 sleeping bag, I can zip the inside out turning it from a 5 season to a 3 season for different times of the year
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If you want warmth, comfort, sensible height good add ons like a waterproof shroud you can't beat a Nash 5 season indulgence wide boy ss3. If you are going to be short session/mobile fishing its not the one, unless you can drive to your swim, but for longer sessions particularly in winter can't beat it.
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I prefer a separate bag and bed.
In summer I don't always sleep in a sleeping bag, often just laying on top of my JRC Levelbed.
In winter I use my Morpheus Extreme sleeping bag, with a cover on top of my bed.
I've forgotten the last time I was really cold in winter, but in summer I do get too hot.
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Still using my JRC lightweight Cocoon bedchair coupled with my Aqua U/J Carp Duvet. Both 20 and 16 years old respectively. Works for me, lightweight compared to a lot of more modern stuff so I stick with it.
Because I don’t really look at bed and systems I’m a bit behind the curve, but didn’t one of the first Nash systems get a bit of a bad rep ? Cold n draughty?
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I’ve had an indulgence sleep system and a solar sleep system. For me the solar is much better. I find it warmer, roomier and firmer.
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In reply to Post #4
Indulgence is brilliant. I have the 5 season one and what I like is it is a duvet that is on top. Sleeping bags seems to not like me at all... I toss and turn crazy before I fall asleep so it always ends up tearing on the side stitching. Indulgence however you directly on top of the mattress with the duvet on top.. Never had problems with tears or hinges... This is one Nash got spot on... Won't go wrong if one purchase this 👍👍
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In reply to Post #10
I must of somehow missed your apology 
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In reply to Post #13
I prefer the old style beds with built-in pillow and slightly raised head.
But then I sleep with 3 pillows at home.
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Nash Indulgence system for me have tried loads of bed chairs and sleeping bags and with out doubt the Nash system in my eyes is far superior than anything else i have used in over 50 years of fishing as they say you get what you pay for. 
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In reply to Post #13
Maybe, but I had the first one released and that didn't have one either. I guess there's been so many versions over the years some have, some haven't
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In reply to Post #12
think they stopped doing it when they found they could make more money by selling a separate pillow
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In reply to Post #11
That's odd as neither of mine have
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In reply to Post #10
Mine did !! and I just unzipped it and threw it in the bin  I used a feather pillow
but then I discovered flat firm beds were far better for my back especially when I used to do 2 and 3 week trips
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In reply to Post #8
Indulgence don't have a built in pillow
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I use a trakker flat 6 superlite bedchair with a trakker 365 (new version) sleeping bag brilliant bit of kit that is
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In reply to Post #4
No good for the nights though with that stupid built in pillow, I binned it off and got a Fox Flatliner and Ventec bag, best nights kip I have ever had fishing and do 7 nights straight through on it several times a year.
Only downside is the weight however, on the barrow or straight out of the van is a doddle.
Longest I have ever owned a Bedchair and had it around 4 years and have just changed the elastic for paracord.
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In reply to Post #1
Been using mk2 flatliter for last 3 or 4 years and cannot fault it. I have the compact and I am 6'1. Newer systems seem very heavy ?
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In reply to Post #5
I do like fact able move more around in bed, as did find my system right tight for movement tbh
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Well for me the best is a separate bag and bed its more versatile
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In reply to Post #3
Indulgence all day long
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In reply to Post #2
Thanks mate
Will look into it!
Compact be fine for me as only short 🤣
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In reply to Post #1
I had been using the fox mk2 flatlier for the last 4 years and found it great pretty light weight for a sleep system . Then back end of last when fox released them the new flatliner sleep system . I decided on one of the 6 leg 3 season flatliner system after seeing one in the flesh and done around 12 nights on it so far and very happy with it more padded mattress on it over the mk2 flatliter . I also did look at the fox Duralite sleep system and that looked decent quality but was not quite long and wide enough for my liking . But if you wanted a more compact sleep system that would be more ideal over the fox flatliner sleep system
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After having lots bed chairs and good bags to ss2 sleep systems!
Gone back to using old beds and bags but now decided could do with spending some good money and getting a Goodun for my self!
Don t want anything Massive as want to use my wychwood D ploy when go on my own and still brand new in box bought it over 2 years ago 🤨
When take son use my 2man so not a Problem then!
Which one would you go for and why??
Comfy bed please as joints muscles ache shed loads with illness got, but one able fold down nice on my fat boy barrow 👍
Thanks James
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