I had a chuckle to myself this week as someone on the lake was referring to distances in wraps, and the gradually lowering water level due to evaporation has kind of put it out of kilter.
On the swims I fish, I have a 'casting spot' for the features, all memorised, but at the high water level. This week in all innocence, someone asked how many wraps I was fishing, to which the answer would be 9, but from the top of the bank, not the 7 if I was casting from the current water level. I always cast from the top spot!
I was kind enough to mention that the spot I have baited up to was around 36metres, simply because I hate the wrap reference, it means nothing.
Put your sticks out, and wrap, yes OK, but I frequently walk my lines out, so I'm not going to get wraps, to me it is a proper distance of metres or yards if you haven't gotten metric yet.
On the swims I fish, I have a 'casting spot' for the features, all memorised, but at the high water level. This week in all innocence, someone asked how many wraps I was fishing, to which the answer would be 9, but from the top of the bank, not the 7 if I was casting from the current water level. I always cast from the top spot!
I was kind enough to mention that the spot I have baited up to was around 36metres, simply because I hate the wrap reference, it means nothing.
Put your sticks out, and wrap, yes OK, but I frequently walk my lines out, so I'm not going to get wraps, to me it is a proper distance of metres or yards if you haven't gotten metric yet.
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I don't own any, though have been thinking about getting some lately, I've gone so far as to order the rings, chord and toggles...but....they'll be custom metric distance.....be interesting to see someone copy that to 'standard' wraps
I gave wraps a lot of thought and then gave up
I went overkill thinking of actual distance acuracy and then realised it means nothing as long as the lead goes where I want it, roughly the same place. With 10% stretch or more in a line (using nylon) what relevance does hitting a clip have with the line under tension if you don't wrap the line under the same tension at the sticks, and how would you measure that. In theory you'd have to hit the clip and hope the line would have enough drop to return to a none stretched state/the same tension you wrapped it at....see why I gave up.
I'm happy if people are happy, do what makes you happy
I don't own any, though have been thinking about getting some lately, I've gone so far as to order the rings, chord and toggles...but....they'll be custom metric distance.....be interesting to see someone copy that to 'standard' wraps
I gave wraps a lot of thought and then gave up
I went overkill thinking of actual distance acuracy and then realised it means nothing as long as the lead goes where I want it, roughly the same place. With 10% stretch or more in a line (using nylon) what relevance does hitting a clip have with the line under tension if you don't wrap the line under the same tension at the sticks, and how would you measure that. In theory you'd have to hit the clip and hope the line would have enough drop to return to a none stretched state/the same tension you wrapped it at....see why I gave up.I'm happy if people are happy, do what makes you happy
I'll use distance sticks when casting towards a far margin, etc. If into open water, hardly use sticks unless looking for pinpoint accuracy - since my casting is generally poor, this is usually a waste of time.
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Horses for courses really. If I need to be accurate with a cast to a margin, spot etc then it's helpful. The downside with the 'wraps' thing is that people think they have to fish to a certain spot at certain wraps/distance rather than letting the fish show them where to go.
Horses for courses really. If I need to be accurate with a cast to a margin, spot etc then it's helpful. The downside with the 'wraps' thing is that people think they have to fish to a certain spot at certain wraps/distance rather than letting the fish show them where to go.
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Is it not common sense that if a spot is at 9 wraps when casting from position A for example then regardless of water level, you'll hit the spot so long as you cast from position A. That guy sounds like a numpty to me.
Is it not common sense that if a spot is at 9 wraps when casting from position A for example then regardless of water level, you'll hit the spot so long as you cast from position A. That guy sounds like a numpty to me.
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Depends on your definition of a spot, a spot 4m x 4m or 12" x 12"...oh god, here we go.
It depends whether you let the line fall on the clip or let it free fall as it depends on the depth of the water. If falling on the clip the line falls in a arc away from the impact point and towards you, so in deep water (not sure what constitutes deep in this instance) it could make a big difference. I'm sure this has been discussed before on here regards reducing spombing distance, in any case it'd be easy enough to work out the arc if you know the depth and the distance. Then you'd have to decide if you want your bait on the edge or in the centre of the spombed bait, and that could depend on what your dropping and how it spreads....
so you'll need to don your diving gear, get to your spot, get a mate to spomb over it, use your tape measure to measure the spread diameter, flow meter to determing undertow, gps to determine direction of flow.........and hope it's the same on the day or calculate alternatives
the fish don't care either way, there's a Andy Cap cartoon there somewhere
Depends on your definition of a spot, a spot 4m x 4m or 12" x 12"...oh god, here we go.
It depends whether you let the line fall on the clip or let it free fall as it depends on the depth of the water. If falling on the clip the line falls in a arc away from the impact point and towards you, so in deep water (not sure what constitutes deep in this instance) it could make a big difference. I'm sure this has been discussed before on here regards reducing spombing distance, in any case it'd be easy enough to work out the arc if you know the depth and the distance. Then you'd have to decide if you want your bait on the edge or in the centre of the spombed bait, and that could depend on what your dropping and how it spreads....
so you'll need to don your diving gear, get to your spot, get a mate to spomb over it, use your tape measure to measure the spread diameter, flow meter to determing undertow, gps to determine direction of flow.........and hope it's the same on the day or calculate alternatives
the fish don't care either way, there's a Andy Cap cartoon there somewhere
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This is applicable in deep water and how big the spot is. If technique is a constant and the position of where the cast taken is the same, you'll hit the spot.
When spombing over deep water, even the heaviest of mixes will spread vastly so best to not worry about it and just be concerned with landing the rig where you perceive the spot to be and where it is presented well
This is applicable in deep water and how big the spot is. If technique is a constant and the position of where the cast taken is the same, you'll hit the spot.
When spombing over deep water, even the heaviest of mixes will spread vastly so best to not worry about it and just be concerned with landing the rig where you perceive the spot to be and where it is presented well
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When spombing over deep water, even the heaviest of mixes will spread vastly so best to not worry about it and just be concerned with landing the rig where you perceive the spot to be and where it is presented well
There's a video on youtube that shows just that with varying sized boiles and I was completely stunned by the result. Boilies clumped, I kid you not, quite a few dropped in tight groups of say 5 almost as if they had some form of attraction between them, spread was minimal, spread of particles wasn't as great as you'd think. I know undertow could change that drastically depending on weight.
When spombing over deep water, even the heaviest of mixes will spread vastly so best to not worry about it and just be concerned with landing the rig where you perceive the spot to be and where it is presented well
There's a video on youtube that shows just that with varying sized boiles and I was completely stunned by the result. Boilies clumped, I kid you not, quite a few dropped in tight groups of say 5 almost as if they had some form of attraction between them, spread was minimal, spread of particles wasn't as great as you'd think. I know undertow could change that drastically depending on weight.
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Spread on any sort of deep lake with undertow will spread vastly. Like you've mentioned, lots of variables all of which are out of our control so best to just accept it and not get hung up on it
Spread on any sort of deep lake with undertow will spread vastly. Like you've mentioned, lots of variables all of which are out of our control so best to just accept it and not get hung up on it
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Agreed
Here's one of those videos, not the deepest but I bet a lot of people would think there's more spread at 5m or 10m clicky
EDIT, yes it's a static drop but even so. EDIT 2 or 10m.
Agreed
Here's one of those videos, not the deepest but I bet a lot of people would think there's more spread at 5m or 10m clicky
EDIT, yes it's a static drop but even so. EDIT 2 or 10m.
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likely to see around 22% stretch in Modern mono lines!
likely to see around 22% stretch in Modern mono lines!
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I'm not arguing distance sticks believe me, they really do have a use, whether it's a pair of storm poles, or proper distance sticks, although I can't convince myself that I need to buy specific distance sticks, using my bivvy storm poles.
It's the distance element of a 'wrap' that makes me laugh.
I've pinpointed a few feeding spots on the lake, and one I found I couldn't reach from the bank when the water is up, I need to be on the margin due to a tree and 12ft rods, or cast from the next swim either side. At the moment that spot is 40metres out, yet in a few weeks, from the margin might be 38.
My baited area I've been priming is 32m out from the casting point, which is 9wraps just for the record, yet in terms of from the waters edge is only 28m, or 8wraps.
That changes for my Spomb rod to 10wraps with braid, the swing back of a more 'lobbed' cast and watching the spread of bait.
I also consider the line arc, swan neck depth or 4feet, so I'm coming back about a foot with the cast being feathered etc.
(Sorry, there's a joke in there somewhere).
I'm not arguing distance sticks believe me, they really do have a use, whether it's a pair of storm poles, or proper distance sticks, although I can't convince myself that I need to buy specific distance sticks, using my bivvy storm poles.
It's the distance element of a 'wrap' that makes me laugh.
I've pinpointed a few feeding spots on the lake, and one I found I couldn't reach from the bank when the water is up, I need to be on the margin due to a tree and 12ft rods, or cast from the next swim either side. At the moment that spot is 40metres out, yet in a few weeks, from the margin might be 38.
My baited area I've been priming is 32m out from the casting point, which is 9wraps just for the record, yet in terms of from the waters edge is only 28m, or 8wraps.
That changes for my Spomb rod to 10wraps with braid, the swing back of a more 'lobbed' cast and watching the spread of bait.
I also consider the line arc, swan neck depth or 4feet, so I'm coming back about a foot with the cast being feathered etc.
(Sorry, there's a joke in there somewhere).
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I'm not arguing distance sticks believe me, they really do have a use, whether it's a pair of storm poles, or proper distance sticks, although I can't convince myself that I need to buy specific distance sticks, using my bivvy storm poles.
Me neither, seem to be very effective. For me it just the so called absolute precision aspect that's implied in a lot of videos. I was thinking of using my storm poles, I guess you just turn the thumb screws or lever lock inwards, though I do like those grooves to catch the line.
I must seem like such a dinosaur...guess I am
I'm not arguing distance sticks believe me, they really do have a use, whether it's a pair of storm poles, or proper distance sticks, although I can't convince myself that I need to buy specific distance sticks, using my bivvy storm poles.
Me neither, seem to be very effective. For me it just the so called absolute precision aspect that's implied in a lot of videos. I was thinking of using my storm poles, I guess you just turn the thumb screws or lever lock inwards, though I do like those grooves to catch the line.
I must seem like such a dinosaur...guess I am
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Use a bamboo cane or a tent peg thems has ridges lo
Use a bamboo cane or a tent peg thems has ridges lo
In reply to Post #14
So have some condoms,love see you wrap your line around them
So have some condoms,love see you wrap your line around them