anyone use this for fish damage as opposed to car tax products?
In reply to Post #1
No, not used Bonjela but with the current trend for Propolis why not just buy it from Holland and Barrett, £5.39 for 30ml. Pretty sure you can get it cheaper on line, plenty of places to look including Ebay.
No, not used Bonjela but with the current trend for Propolis why not just buy it from Holland and Barrett, £5.39 for 30ml. Pretty sure you can get it cheaper on line, plenty of places to look including Ebay.
In reply to Post #1
Few people in the past have mentioned using could be wrong
Few people in the past have mentioned using could be wrong
In reply to Post #3
You're right, I remember that too
You're right, I remember that too
I'd stick to propolis, it's cheap enough if you have a look around online
In reply to Post #1
i can't see how it would be any good tbh? isn't it just a numbing agent?
i can't see how it would be any good tbh? isn't it just a numbing agent?
In reply to Post #6
it does have antiseptic properties too, Propolis is just far superior, creates a way better seal over the wound too
it does have antiseptic properties too, Propolis is just far superior, creates a way better seal over the wound too
In reply to Post #7
TBH, it depends, a lot of people see propolis as a 1 stop shop and use just that which I suppose is fine on a fresh wound. But if you catch a fish that has a infected area, be it angler inflicted or not you should really clean the area 1st with a wound cleaner which is why the Carp kits often come in 2 parts and also why some syndis ask for the 2 part approach. If you look toward the fish keeping world you'll find them, like the blue/green stuff we used to use in the old days, I bet some of it was methylene blue, used to treat fungal and some bacterial infections in fish, still available and still cheap.
This bit might be of interest to some of you (if you're bored....lol), I mentioned this on the forum must be 10+ years ago when I was looking into Propolis after buying some for the 1st time. When I bought it and opened it I was quite surprised how much of Clove it smelt. That instantly drew my mind back to when I kept a particular Israeli Koi which had become ill and had to be treated by a Koi specialist. To anaesthetize the fish he used a few drops of clove oil in a few ltrs of oil, low and behold the fish went still. So I looked for the active ingredient responsible which was Eugenol, and as it happened it's also found in Propolis...which got me thinking. We apply it to hook wounds and wounds near the gills, some possibly even use it on damaged gills, so naturally the next question was, what is the concentration in PPM of Eugenol in Propolis and could it, if used in too large a amount in/around/on the gills, cause sedation of the fish, which could be very dangerous if cumulative and after the fish had been released.
That's as far as I got and by now it's widely regarded as safe in the aquaculture industry. The info re Eugenol ppm for fish sedation and different species is widely available on the net, one day I might continue that line of thought.
The forums getting a hammering from me today
trying to stay awake so I can sleep tonight !
TBH, it depends, a lot of people see propolis as a 1 stop shop and use just that which I suppose is fine on a fresh wound. But if you catch a fish that has a infected area, be it angler inflicted or not you should really clean the area 1st with a wound cleaner which is why the Carp kits often come in 2 parts and also why some syndis ask for the 2 part approach. If you look toward the fish keeping world you'll find them, like the blue/green stuff we used to use in the old days, I bet some of it was methylene blue, used to treat fungal and some bacterial infections in fish, still available and still cheap.
This bit might be of interest to some of you (if you're bored....lol), I mentioned this on the forum must be 10+ years ago when I was looking into Propolis after buying some for the 1st time. When I bought it and opened it I was quite surprised how much of Clove it smelt. That instantly drew my mind back to when I kept a particular Israeli Koi which had become ill and had to be treated by a Koi specialist. To anaesthetize the fish he used a few drops of clove oil in a few ltrs of oil, low and behold the fish went still. So I looked for the active ingredient responsible which was Eugenol, and as it happened it's also found in Propolis...which got me thinking. We apply it to hook wounds and wounds near the gills, some possibly even use it on damaged gills, so naturally the next question was, what is the concentration in PPM of Eugenol in Propolis and could it, if used in too large a amount in/around/on the gills, cause sedation of the fish, which could be very dangerous if cumulative and after the fish had been released.
That's as far as I got and by now it's widely regarded as safe in the aquaculture industry. The info re Eugenol ppm for fish sedation and different species is widely available on the net, one day I might continue that line of thought.
The forums getting a hammering from me today
trying to stay awake so I can sleep tonight !
In reply to Post #8
Propolis comes with a warning to avoid using around gills and your in-depth explanation would completely make sense in that regard for sure.
You're also right about 2 part carp care kits etc, however carp out in the real world as it were, not koi in display ponds, are resilient creatures and even just anglers carrying propolis is just a little helping hand on what is a very hardy fish anyway.
Them Koi guys are just next level, what they know and can do would have most of us gobsmacked.
Propolis comes with a warning to avoid using around gills and your in-depth explanation would completely make sense in that regard for sure.
You're also right about 2 part carp care kits etc, however carp out in the real world as it were, not koi in display ponds, are resilient creatures and even just anglers carrying propolis is just a little helping hand on what is a very hardy fish anyway.
Them Koi guys are just next level, what they know and can do would have most of us gobsmacked.
In reply to Post #9
however carp out in the real world as it were, not koi in display ponds, are resilient creatures and even just anglers carrying propolis is just a little helping hand on what is a very hardy fish anyway.
Totally agree mate
Without making any assumptions or inferring any, I've fished a fair few heavy footfall commercial venues (overstocked) here and abroad over the last few decades where I've had to treat previously injured fish or seen them swimming round with fungus cotton on their sides. I'm glad things have progressed, it's only a good thing
however carp out in the real world as it were, not koi in display ponds, are resilient creatures and even just anglers carrying propolis is just a little helping hand on what is a very hardy fish anyway.
Totally agree mate
Without making any assumptions or inferring any, I've fished a fair few heavy footfall commercial venues (overstocked) here and abroad over the last few decades where I've had to treat previously injured fish or seen them swimming round with fungus cotton on their sides. I'm glad things have progressed, it's only a good thing
In reply to Post #9
A. Lake in France I used to fish we used
Iodine solution first part then propolis over that
Do photos before getting iodine on your hands lol
Fish were always immaculate
A. Lake in France I used to fish we used
Iodine solution first part then propolis over that
Do photos before getting iodine on your hands lol
Fish were always immaculate
In reply to Post #1
Bonjela is good for getting leeches to let go,
Bonjela is good for getting leeches to let go,