Just seen an advert on Facebook for the 'original' Nutrabaits BFM and list it as containing Krill meal and PDFM. It really bugs me when companies advertise baits as original when in fact its clear the recipe is unrecognisable from the original.
As a side note the protein content of the bait is listed as 19%. So you have to wonder how much casien and fishmeal the bait actually contains?
Thoughts?
As a side note the protein content of the bait is listed as 19%. So you have to wonder how much casien and fishmeal the bait actually contains?
Thoughts?
In reply to Post #1
My thought is to stay away from it...
My thought is to stay away from it...
In reply to Post #1
I used to love nutrabaits mainly because I could make my own boilies that were unique to me with all their flavours available it was great,then I heard they went downhill a lot after being sold so switched companies.
I used to love nutrabaits mainly because I could make my own boilies that were unique to me with all their flavours available it was great,then I heard they went downhill a lot after being sold so switched companies.
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As a side note the protein content of the bait is listed as 19%.
So you have to wonder how much casien and fishmeal the bait actually contains?
A few finger pinches of each. is my guess.
Nothing like the protein content of the original with near a 50% fishmeal content, with a good dose of quality milk proteins.
As a side note the protein content of the bait is listed as 19%.
So you have to wonder how much casien and fishmeal the bait actually contains?
A few finger pinches of each. is my guess.
Nothing like the protein content of the original with near a 50% fishmeal content, with a good dose of quality milk proteins.
In reply to Post #1
It's certainly not the original, I think Dave said it on a podcast that it would cost way to much to produce the bait to the original recipe. At 19% that sounds incredibly low must have very little in the way of fishmeal and milks. Unfortunately you can throw a little bit in the mix these days and list it on the bag as an ingredient. How much of it is at meaningful levels is anyone's guess.
It's certainly not the original, I think Dave said it on a podcast that it would cost way to much to produce the bait to the original recipe. At 19% that sounds incredibly low must have very little in the way of fishmeal and milks. Unfortunately you can throw a little bit in the mix these days and list it on the bag as an ingredient. How much of it is at meaningful levels is anyone's guess.
In reply to Post #1
The original BFM never had those 2 ingredients in so it cant be original , also the version that was put on sale was watered down from daves original recipe due to cost.
The original BFM never had those 2 ingredients in so it cant be original , also the version that was put on sale was watered down from daves original recipe due to cost.
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That is my point
That is my point
In reply to Post #6
Quality Costs, now and then.
Exactly, Original mix by name, but not THE original.
Dave's version was more milk protein mix than fishmeal I believe, that was tweaked, or watered down to become financially profitible & feasible to bring to market by Nutrabaits back then, late 90's, and again now to be more marketable to young generation anglers that weren't around to know or made the original mix.
Quality Costs, now and then.
Exactly, Original mix by name, but not THE original.
Dave's version was more milk protein mix than fishmeal I believe, that was tweaked, or watered down to become financially profitible & feasible to bring to market by Nutrabaits back then, late 90's, and again now to be more marketable to young generation anglers that weren't around to know or made the original mix.
This bait game needs to be regulated.. Not enough information out there for the consumer. Apart from actually being present when they put your bait together your never sure what your getting these days I know a few of the bigger companys list what goes in to there baits fish, vegetable product etc. But that's as far as it goes. No quantity or actual product are listed..And that's only so they can sell it abroad as European regs state. We are definately getting the wool pulled over our eyes in some case. 
In reply to Post #9
I think in the original the milk proteins were quite high from memory, only have to look at the cost increase in milks since then.
I think in the original the milk proteins were quite high from memory, only have to look at the cost increase in milks since then.
Since Bill Cottam left Nutrabaits I can say I have no trust left in the company. If you had a problem him or one of his consultants would give you great advice over the phone or by email.
I never used Big Fish Mix as much as I did othe Nutrabaits baits, ingredients or flavours, but from memory that is nothing like the original base mix.
Too many bait companies, not just Nutrabaits, are changing mixes, yet saying it is the same as the original.
Ingredients have moved on, prices have increased, but not all baits are better, in fact many are worse than the original.
To my mind, carp get most of their energy from proteins and fats, I am not sure of their ability to process carbohydrates. (I would honestly like to know if carp are essentially diabetic).
Using protein for energy may seem wasteful, but if the protein level is only around 19%, then they are using protein first for energy before they can utilise any for tissue and muscle growth or repair. Add to that animal proteins are a better supply than vegetable proteins.
The known fat content in the bait is then needed whether the fat is being used for energy
I never used Big Fish Mix as much as I did othe Nutrabaits baits, ingredients or flavours, but from memory that is nothing like the original base mix.
Too many bait companies, not just Nutrabaits, are changing mixes, yet saying it is the same as the original.
Ingredients have moved on, prices have increased, but not all baits are better, in fact many are worse than the original.
To my mind, carp get most of their energy from proteins and fats, I am not sure of their ability to process carbohydrates. (I would honestly like to know if carp are essentially diabetic).
Using protein for energy may seem wasteful, but if the protein level is only around 19%, then they are using protein first for energy before they can utilise any for tissue and muscle growth or repair. Add to that animal proteins are a better supply than vegetable proteins.
The known fat content in the bait is then needed whether the fat is being used for energy
I too remember when it first came out.
Me and and a mate rolled our own in our parents back gardens much to their disgust lol.
Yep can't recall krill being one of the ingredients.
Recipe taken from another website
https://forum.carp.com/topic/18111-big-fish-mix-unveiled/
Me and and a mate rolled our own in our parents back gardens much to their disgust lol.
Yep can't recall krill being one of the ingredients.
Recipe taken from another website
https://forum.carp.com/topic/18111-big-fish-mix-unveiled/
Used plenty of BFM years ago and had total faith in it up to the point of Bill selling out, some mates preferred Trigga/Trigga Ice but I never really done that well on it personally but I do believe some baits do better on some waters compared to others.
Its difficult these days to have faith in most bait companies when we have had quality baits provided by companies through the 90's and early 00's like QB's Patsull Park, Premier Amino's, Tails up Provit Livers, Essential B5, Mainline NRG, Active/Maple 8 and the original Grange, Nash Scopex Squid Livers, Matrix all great baits that put nuffty fish on the bank for me.(sounds like I've chopped and changed a lot but only when the baits did really or I noticed differences), theres near 30 years of angling in the above list.
These days personally I hold little faith in almost all of the bait companies in providing a bait to the above's carp catching abilities bar a few, I take notice of the catch results and in a short space of time were out the gates, Baitworks for nearly all their bait range feed and hookers not a lover of the Royal Marine, and also anything Mark does at Specialized Hookbaits are what I've settled on for my angling nowadays, no doubt theres a few others that anglers have faith in like Trent baits which is one I've never tried been around 20 years CC Moore have been up and down for me over the years tried a few bits and bobs certain feed baits but never really had it away on theirs, toyed with the newer large bait firms like Sticky and DNA and the likes but never blew my foreskin back in terms of results.
Its difficult these days to have faith in most bait companies when we have had quality baits provided by companies through the 90's and early 00's like QB's Patsull Park, Premier Amino's, Tails up Provit Livers, Essential B5, Mainline NRG, Active/Maple 8 and the original Grange, Nash Scopex Squid Livers, Matrix all great baits that put nuffty fish on the bank for me.(sounds like I've chopped and changed a lot but only when the baits did really or I noticed differences), theres near 30 years of angling in the above list.
These days personally I hold little faith in almost all of the bait companies in providing a bait to the above's carp catching abilities bar a few, I take notice of the catch results and in a short space of time were out the gates, Baitworks for nearly all their bait range feed and hookers not a lover of the Royal Marine, and also anything Mark does at Specialized Hookbaits are what I've settled on for my angling nowadays, no doubt theres a few others that anglers have faith in like Trent baits which is one I've never tried been around 20 years CC Moore have been up and down for me over the years tried a few bits and bobs certain feed baits but never really had it away on theirs, toyed with the newer large bait firms like Sticky and DNA and the likes but never blew my foreskin back in terms of results.
In reply to Post #12
Carpstar,
I don't think that there are many food baits out there now like there used to be, and not many anglers fish that way any more, establishing a food source. So many current anglers chop and change baits after a couple of bad sessions instead of thinking, assessing and blaming their fishing.
I did very well on Trigga, the original bait in Shelf life and frozen, and even better on a 'tweaked' version a mate and I used.
While I have done well on other baits I have used since then, not many available now give me the confidence that Nutrabaits did with Enervite, Enervite Gold, Trigga or The Biollix.
I'll quote the whole post that JasonM references as the other forum is my baby and I don't want to cause any forum grief with external links:
hnv
Posted August 2, 2013
Surely we have all heard of the Big Fish Mix from Nutrabaits? Although an old recipe now, it is still a fantastic fishmeal bait with an excellent nutritional profile that is also instantly attractive to carp. I have "lifted" this recipe directly from the Nutrabaits 1996/97 bait catalogue and as it has been in the public domain for years now (if you know where to look!) I don't think Bill will mind it being reproduced here. I have given the recipe and a breif description of each ingredient.
BFM recipe - To make 16oz of base mix:
2 oz Capelin meal
3 oz Sardine & Anchovy meal
3 oz White fishmeal
3 oz Sluis CLO
2 oz Acid Casein
1/2 oz Kelp powder
1/2 oz Robin Red
1 oz Nutrapro
1 oz Nutralac
Description of ingredients:
Capelin meal - oily fishmeal, 70% protein content.
Sardine & Anchovy meal - blend of two oily fishmeals, 60% protein content.
White fishmeal - (Provimi 66), heavy fishmeal, high in amino acid Lysine, 66% protein content.
Sluis CLO - high quality egg biscuit bird food, contains cod liver oil, helps with binding and rolling.
Acid casein - Pure milk protein, 90%+ protein content.
Kelp powder - pure dried seaweed, rich in vitamins and minerals and trace elements that carp require for optimum digestion.
Robin Red - bird food used to feed show birds such as red factor canaries, full of attractors that carp love including Carophyl Red.
Nutrapro - Nutrabaits own branded milk protein mixture, contains lactoglobulin (approx. 50%) and lactalbumin (approx. 20%) and whey protein, 80% overall protein content, also helps with binding and hardening of baits.
Nutralac - slightly sweet, high fat milk supplement powder for rearing lambs (other milk replacerments are available such as Vitamelo, a calf rearing product).
So, there you have it. One of the best all-time carp catching fishmeals laid bare...
Some classic attractor packages for this bait are:
16oz BFM
2g green lipped mussel extract
20 ml Nutramino (or equivalent such as minamino)
20 ml salmon oil
4ml green lipped mussel UTCS flavour
16oz BFM
2g betaine HCl
20 ml Nutramino
15 ml salmon oil
3 ml Caviar UTCS flavour
6 drops of black pepper
Carpstar,
I don't think that there are many food baits out there now like there used to be, and not many anglers fish that way any more, establishing a food source. So many current anglers chop and change baits after a couple of bad sessions instead of thinking, assessing and blaming their fishing.
I did very well on Trigga, the original bait in Shelf life and frozen, and even better on a 'tweaked' version a mate and I used.
While I have done well on other baits I have used since then, not many available now give me the confidence that Nutrabaits did with Enervite, Enervite Gold, Trigga or The Biollix.
I'll quote the whole post that JasonM references as the other forum is my baby and I don't want to cause any forum grief with external links:
hnv
Posted August 2, 2013
Surely we have all heard of the Big Fish Mix from Nutrabaits? Although an old recipe now, it is still a fantastic fishmeal bait with an excellent nutritional profile that is also instantly attractive to carp. I have "lifted" this recipe directly from the Nutrabaits 1996/97 bait catalogue and as it has been in the public domain for years now (if you know where to look!) I don't think Bill will mind it being reproduced here. I have given the recipe and a breif description of each ingredient.
BFM recipe - To make 16oz of base mix:
2 oz Capelin meal
3 oz Sardine & Anchovy meal
3 oz White fishmeal
3 oz Sluis CLO
2 oz Acid Casein
1/2 oz Kelp powder
1/2 oz Robin Red
1 oz Nutrapro
1 oz Nutralac
Description of ingredients:
Capelin meal - oily fishmeal, 70% protein content.
Sardine & Anchovy meal - blend of two oily fishmeals, 60% protein content.
White fishmeal - (Provimi 66), heavy fishmeal, high in amino acid Lysine, 66% protein content.
Sluis CLO - high quality egg biscuit bird food, contains cod liver oil, helps with binding and rolling.
Acid casein - Pure milk protein, 90%+ protein content.
Kelp powder - pure dried seaweed, rich in vitamins and minerals and trace elements that carp require for optimum digestion.
Robin Red - bird food used to feed show birds such as red factor canaries, full of attractors that carp love including Carophyl Red.
Nutrapro - Nutrabaits own branded milk protein mixture, contains lactoglobulin (approx. 50%) and lactalbumin (approx. 20%) and whey protein, 80% overall protein content, also helps with binding and hardening of baits.
Nutralac - slightly sweet, high fat milk supplement powder for rearing lambs (other milk replacerments are available such as Vitamelo, a calf rearing product).
So, there you have it. One of the best all-time carp catching fishmeals laid bare...
Some classic attractor packages for this bait are:
16oz BFM
2g green lipped mussel extract
20 ml Nutramino (or equivalent such as minamino)
20 ml salmon oil
4ml green lipped mussel UTCS flavour
16oz BFM
2g betaine HCl
20 ml Nutramino
15 ml salmon oil
3 ml Caviar UTCS flavour
6 drops of black pepper
In reply to Post #14
It does seem to bit of a travesty that they can turn that base mix into one with a crude protein level of 19% (if that's true) and still call it the same thing!!
It does seem to bit of a travesty that they can turn that base mix into one with a crude protein level of 19% (if that's true) and still call it the same thing!!