As we all know Single skin shelters WILL ALWAYS suffer with heavy condensation at certain times of the year
so with a normal traditional type brolly
a Wrap wont have the needed air gap or unlike the Tempest type a skull cap
so IS there an answer ?
I got to thinking to create the needed air gap and still be super lightweight what about a skull type wrap or even a full wrap
with sewn in pool noodles that act like ribs creating an air gap the pack size would be a roll shape like the packed brolly but would be very light
or have you any other ideas ?
so with a normal traditional type brolly
a Wrap wont have the needed air gap or unlike the Tempest type a skull cap
so IS there an answer ?
I got to thinking to create the needed air gap and still be super lightweight what about a skull type wrap or even a full wrap
with sewn in pool noodles that act like ribs creating an air gap the pack size would be a roll shape like the packed brolly but would be very light
or have you any other ideas ?
In reply to Post #1
Inflatable ribs..........?
Inflatable ribs..........?
In reply to Post #1
Your fav product Gerry, the Ultralite . . .I leave the skull cap on permanently = twin skin
Or are you suggesting a 'permanent' stitched in double skin brolly that is pre-tensioned?
How about some kind of air pump mech so that when you push the brolly boss upwards and the brolly expands (with the inner ribs) the outer layer is pushed away with sufficient air pressure to keep the two fabric layers separate (this is all completed in the same opening motion) Maybe also an air release valve prior to collapsing the brolly?
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Your fav product Gerry, the Ultralite . . .I leave the skull cap on permanently = twin skin
Or are you suggesting a 'permanent' stitched in double skin brolly that is pre-tensioned?
How about some kind of air pump mech so that when you push the brolly boss upwards and the brolly expands (with the inner ribs) the outer layer is pushed away with sufficient air pressure to keep the two fabric layers separate (this is all completed in the same opening motion) Maybe also an air release valve prior to collapsing the brolly?
20% IPR rights when this goes live - in writing . . .cheers
In reply to Post #1
When Sonic first started they released a brolly system Jerry, think it was called the “Supa brolly”, that had a fleece inner you clipped in, it stopped all condensation.
When Sonic first started they released a brolly system Jerry, think it was called the “Supa brolly”, that had a fleece inner you clipped in, it stopped all condensation.
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been hearing a lot of complaints about people leaving in their vapour shields
and then after a few uses getting a bad smell only to find that mould is growing on the inside of the brolly hidden by the vapour shield that can lead to delaminating and a ruined brolly
@The_Andyman post 2
YES I like that idea of a brolly wrap/ skull cap for say the MHR or Solar brolly type with 3 inflatable ribs to create the necessary air gap packing up and set up would be a doddle
folks as said this idea isnt for Tempest or Pioneer types that have solutions
been hearing a lot of complaints about people leaving in their vapour shields
and then after a few uses getting a bad smell only to find that mould is growing on the inside of the brolly hidden by the vapour shield that can lead to delaminating and a ruined brolly
@The_Andyman post 2
YES I like that idea of a brolly wrap/ skull cap for say the MHR or Solar brolly type with 3 inflatable ribs to create the necessary air gap packing up and set up would be a doddle
folks as said this idea isnt for Tempest or Pioneer types that have solutions
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Pipe lagging cut in half and lay on the ribs of your brolly with some way of pegging it down with your brolly then chuck the wrap over the top
Pipe lagging cut in half and lay on the ribs of your brolly with some way of pegging it down with your brolly then chuck the wrap over the top
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my original idea was 4 of those pool noodles in tubes of the skull cap or wrap
my original idea was 4 of those pool noodles in tubes of the skull cap or wrap
In reply to Post #7
Yeah they would work too
Yeah they would work too
I used to slide a couple of bendy plastic conduit tubes between my brolly and my nash zigwrap to create an air gap, worked fine.
The condensation running off a wavelock nubrolli and the nash nylon zigwrap that had been waterproofed with linseed oil was like an internal waterfall.
The condensation running off a wavelock nubrolli and the nash nylon zigwrap that had been waterproofed with linseed oil was like an internal waterfall.
i used pipe lagging to create an air gap when i used my Groundhog with overwrap ,,, kinda worked
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One of my backpacking tents, Lightwave Trek G20, uses round sponge type material (ø4” x 3” deep) press studded to the inner to keep the fly off during high winds, a similar idea would work I'd imagine on bivvies
One of my backpacking tents, Lightwave Trek G20, uses round sponge type material (ø4” x 3” deep) press studded to the inner to keep the fly off during high winds, a similar idea would work I'd imagine on bivvies
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Like the thinking
I thought air ribs too at 1st.
Alternatively, though it might reduce head room inside the brolly (if you use the space between the ribs, sitting etc), what about clipping a sheet (whatever its made of) to the ribs, sort of hanging of them, inner capsule style
Like the thinking
I thought air ribs too at 1st.
Alternatively, though it might reduce head room inside the brolly (if you use the space between the ribs, sitting etc), what about clipping a sheet (whatever its made of) to the ribs, sort of hanging of them, inner capsule style
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Initially I thought these vapour shields were a great idea
But now after hearing so many people having major problems by leaving them in and packing up trapping the moisture on the inside of the brolly that you cant see this in turn can cause the brolly to go mouldy stink AND worst case delaminate ruining the brolly!!
all this total ball shine oh my vapour shield stops condensation
errr No it helps a bit but just hides the condensation on the brolly that you cant see unless you remove it
Initially I thought these vapour shields were a great idea
But now after hearing so many people having major problems by leaving them in and packing up trapping the moisture on the inside of the brolly that you cant see this in turn can cause the brolly to go mouldy stink AND worst case delaminate ruining the brolly!!
all this total ball shine oh my vapour shield stops condensation
errr No it helps a bit but just hides the condensation on the brolly that you cant see unless you remove it
In reply to Post #13
You're quite right G Personally I think it's user error, you should never pack away damp or wet unless you dry it out at home pronto. We've camped many years, last tent was a Outwell Montana 6, even that with the huge gap between capsule and cover (compared to fishing shelters) the outer would be dry but the top of the inner capsule would be damp and the inner of the cover literally wet.
Just bought a Greenwood 5, it'll still have the same issue, its inevitable.
You're quite right G
Personally I think it's user error, you should never pack away damp or wet unless you dry it out at home pronto. We've camped many years, last tent was a Outwell Montana 6, even that with the huge gap between capsule and cover (compared to fishing shelters) the outer would be dry but the top of the inner capsule would be damp and the inner of the cover literally wet.Just bought a Greenwood 5, it'll still have the same issue, its inevitable.