In reply to Post #105
Although you only needed 2......😂
Although you only needed 2......😂
In reply to Post #106
In reply to Post #106
Most of the time I suppose
Most of the time I suppose
In reply to Post #108
I still remember your stag when you went cross-eyed after 1😂
I still remember your stag when you went cross-eyed after 1😂
In reply to Post #109
Ended up on 5 so there. Back on track we all hate carp fishing yet still go
Ended up on 5 so there. Back on track we all hate carp fishing yet still go
In reply to Post #110
Not me, love carp fishing but it's pretty much a solitary pursuit now. See no carper, hear no carper and speak to no carper. Posting on here is about as social as I get bar a very small group of friends.
Not me, love carp fishing but it's pretty much a solitary pursuit now. See no carper, hear no carper and speak to no carper. Posting on here is about as social as I get bar a very small group of friends.
In reply to Post #111
Similar thoughts to me Goose
Similar thoughts to me Goose
In reply to Post #111
Yep, my best mate likes it and my boy goes now. Dont even have a group of fishing mates. Dont even like talking to anyone when I am fishing. That's the good thing about fishing, take from it want you want. From the wannabe to the recluse, the complete novice to the veteran. Do your own thing, if you get the hump move on.
Yep, my best mate likes it and my boy goes now. Dont even have a group of fishing mates. Dont even like talking to anyone when I am fishing. That's the good thing about fishing, take from it want you want. From the wannabe to the recluse, the complete novice to the veteran. Do your own thing, if you get the hump move on.
In reply to Post #111
Same as, my quiet syndicate for me most of the time, have about 3 social carping weekends with mate's as none of them are members on the syndi 👍🏻
Same as, my quiet syndicate for me most of the time, have about 3 social carping weekends with mate's as none of them are members on the syndi 👍🏻
In reply to Post #114
I think what the OG is struggling with is how mainstream fishing has now become as a sport. This is no fault of the Korda or Nash lads, they are selling products to a different group of people to what I imagine you grew up with. I'm on the borders of both camps, I started fishing when Tim Paisley, Rod Hutchinson, Julian Clundiff, Simon Crow etc were who I would see and read articles from most in Carpworld. Mostly seemed a more reserved personality who enjoyed their sport firstly and imo at the time seemed less interested in the business aspect. I must have completed Terry Hearns "In Pursuit of the Largest" several times over.. do I believe many anglers doing this now.. unlikely.
I got into angling through match fishing, learning water craft, hook types, rigs, knots and feeding methods... again would anglers do this nowadays? Unlikely..
This leads me on to the change in marketing and the likes of Korda with Danny and Frank Warwick on VHS that I would watch, the underwater series and the further emergence of YouTube and TV advertising. As the sport gained popularity as did the importance of marketing products to a more youthful audience, bigger personalities with the likes of Ali, Tom Dove or Alan Blair to name a couple. All of which I have nothing but respect for and have helped the sport no end in their own way. But these guys are employed to entertain in a sport they love and sell the products for a company, of course they are loud and exciting to watch.
When you look at how long it would take to get into carp angling when i started over 20 years ago.. it would take time, lots of reading, practise and research. Todays anglers can bring up a whole host of info on YouTube, mail order a ready made carp kit for £200 along with some ready made rigs, turn up at a lake with everything provided to them. This is why there are more of the anglers you talk about, its easy to become a carp angler and the guys they have been watching are loud and enthusiastic as this is what sells! They only see the likes of Darrell Peck pulling out countless 40's from a lake in a 45 minute video.. they don't see the countless blanks and hours walking sometimes miles around a lake to find them.
However even with this I still find the majority of anglers are good natured, the ones that stick around and become regulars even on busy day tickets are who I spend time with, I can ignore the odd few idiots.
Failing that find yourself a good syndicate with some good anglers on that are like minded, they definitely exist and i guarantee you would be angling happily again.
I think what the OG is struggling with is how mainstream fishing has now become as a sport. This is no fault of the Korda or Nash lads, they are selling products to a different group of people to what I imagine you grew up with. I'm on the borders of both camps, I started fishing when Tim Paisley, Rod Hutchinson, Julian Clundiff, Simon Crow etc were who I would see and read articles from most in Carpworld. Mostly seemed a more reserved personality who enjoyed their sport firstly and imo at the time seemed less interested in the business aspect. I must have completed Terry Hearns "In Pursuit of the Largest" several times over.. do I believe many anglers doing this now.. unlikely.
I got into angling through match fishing, learning water craft, hook types, rigs, knots and feeding methods... again would anglers do this nowadays? Unlikely..
This leads me on to the change in marketing and the likes of Korda with Danny and Frank Warwick on VHS that I would watch, the underwater series and the further emergence of YouTube and TV advertising. As the sport gained popularity as did the importance of marketing products to a more youthful audience, bigger personalities with the likes of Ali, Tom Dove or Alan Blair to name a couple. All of which I have nothing but respect for and have helped the sport no end in their own way. But these guys are employed to entertain in a sport they love and sell the products for a company, of course they are loud and exciting to watch.
When you look at how long it would take to get into carp angling when i started over 20 years ago.. it would take time, lots of reading, practise and research. Todays anglers can bring up a whole host of info on YouTube, mail order a ready made carp kit for £200 along with some ready made rigs, turn up at a lake with everything provided to them. This is why there are more of the anglers you talk about, its easy to become a carp angler and the guys they have been watching are loud and enthusiastic as this is what sells! They only see the likes of Darrell Peck pulling out countless 40's from a lake in a 45 minute video.. they don't see the countless blanks and hours walking sometimes miles around a lake to find them.
However even with this I still find the majority of anglers are good natured, the ones that stick around and become regulars even on busy day tickets are who I spend time with, I can ignore the odd few idiots.
Failing that find yourself a good syndicate with some good anglers on that are like minded, they definitely exist and i guarantee you would be angling happily again.
In reply to Post #115
Now that.........is a great post 
Now that.........is a great post
In reply to Post #115
Good post. The problem is that the new guys with their new kit
Lob two baits into a carp soup catchery and hey presto they catch. Anybody can do it with no real thought or effort, nobody has to learn.
Gear is not the problem. It's the obscene commercial bias of many fisheries. We have by and large lost the
Respect for our quarry and the sporting ethos that goes with it.
10 acre lake, 4-6 ft deep with a flat bottom, no bars or plateaus, no pads, no snags, no sanctuary areas for the fish. Stocked at 100 fish plus to the acre, almost no natural food and 30 anglers fishing 3 rods 24/7 365 days a year. That's not fishing its cruelty. I know there are lakes that are not like that, but more and more are.
Good post. The problem is that the new guys with their new kit
Lob two baits into a carp soup catchery and hey presto they catch. Anybody can do it with no real thought or effort, nobody has to learn.
Gear is not the problem. It's the obscene commercial bias of many fisheries. We have by and large lost the
Respect for our quarry and the sporting ethos that goes with it.
10 acre lake, 4-6 ft deep with a flat bottom, no bars or plateaus, no pads, no snags, no sanctuary areas for the fish. Stocked at 100 fish plus to the acre, almost no natural food and 30 anglers fishing 3 rods 24/7 365 days a year. That's not fishing its cruelty. I know there are lakes that are not like that, but more and more are.
In reply to Post #117
That's just the industry evolving to the masses, as I said this is now a profitable sport which means fisheries have to adapt. I look at when I started fishing and I could visit a number of lakes that were wild and unkept plus fish for nothing. I would struggle to do that now as they can be spun into money makers with little to no effort. But again, as said in my prior post, there are still syndicates and lakes that are not like that, you just need to find them. Let the new guys with their new kit fish the "carp soup catchery".
I also want to look at the positives from all of this as it seems people are looking mainly at negatives. The development of bait means we have more choice, meaning better chance of catching and for the majority of places a good source of food is going into lakes. You could also argue this has meant bigger carp in our lakes. Tackle developments mean I don't have to push a stacked, single wheel barrow around my lake with bungee cords anymore, I could even by an electrical one now! There are facilities such as toilets and cafes meaning I can take my kids with me and not have to worry about digging a hole in some bushes and.. well you know...
Because of the money involved and commercialism of most fisheries there are disabled facilities meaning more people can enjoy the sport. Look at the otter issue( I whole new debate I'm sure haha) but without the funds to fence these lakes the stock of carp could have been heavily reduced.
I wish you luck in your search for the right lakes!
That's just the industry evolving to the masses, as I said this is now a profitable sport which means fisheries have to adapt. I look at when I started fishing and I could visit a number of lakes that were wild and unkept plus fish for nothing. I would struggle to do that now as they can be spun into money makers with little to no effort. But again, as said in my prior post, there are still syndicates and lakes that are not like that, you just need to find them. Let the new guys with their new kit fish the "carp soup catchery".
I also want to look at the positives from all of this as it seems people are looking mainly at negatives. The development of bait means we have more choice, meaning better chance of catching and for the majority of places a good source of food is going into lakes. You could also argue this has meant bigger carp in our lakes. Tackle developments mean I don't have to push a stacked, single wheel barrow around my lake with bungee cords anymore, I could even by an electrical one now! There are facilities such as toilets and cafes meaning I can take my kids with me and not have to worry about digging a hole in some bushes and.. well you know...
Because of the money involved and commercialism of most fisheries there are disabled facilities meaning more people can enjoy the sport. Look at the otter issue( I whole new debate I'm sure haha) but without the funds to fence these lakes the stock of carp could have been heavily reduced.
I wish you luck in your search for the right lakes!
In reply to Post #99
. . .remember Derek 'the Don' Ritchie . . .is he still alive?
Met him baiting up at bluebell many years back . . . .and yes he was listening to blaring techno from the back of his van at the time . . .never really understood that but I suppose as an 'older' geez he was trying to be down with the kids . . . .
. . .remember Derek 'the Don' Ritchie . . .is he still alive?
Met him baiting up at bluebell many years back . . . .and yes he was listening to blaring techno from the back of his van at the time . . .never really understood that but I suppose as an 'older' geez he was trying to be down with the kids . . . .
In reply to Post #117
The simple answer is dont fish those types of waters, or if you do then take them for what they are. During the close season I unfortunately have to occasionally venture on to them. I spend a lot of time shaking my head and muttering to myself, but I also get a good laugh out of it as well, as some clown will inevitably fall in, or lose a good fish through utter stupidity, or come round and and regal me with his amazing capture stories of how he caught three doubles from this swim using an old hairbo from the footwell of his Citroen Saxon blah blah blah.
Then i go and fish proper waters with proper anglers and leave the clowns to their circus. No harm done. The best bit about numpty waters is that on the whole they keep all the numpties in one place, and that keeps them out of my waters. What's not to like?
The simple answer is dont fish those types of waters, or if you do then take them for what they are. During the close season I unfortunately have to occasionally venture on to them. I spend a lot of time shaking my head and muttering to myself, but I also get a good laugh out of it as well, as some clown will inevitably fall in, or lose a good fish through utter stupidity, or come round and and regal me with his amazing capture stories of how he caught three doubles from this swim using an old hairbo from the footwell of his Citroen Saxon blah blah blah.
Then i go and fish proper waters with proper anglers and leave the clowns to their circus. No harm done. The best bit about numpty waters is that on the whole they keep all the numpties in one place, and that keeps them out of my waters. What's not to like?