In reply to Post #60
I do agree that this has exposed those companies who are simply rebranding a bit of camping equipment or a small bit of plastic. I think all do it to some degree. I’ve put a big order in for things like shrink tubing, kickers, rig boxes and it’s all been spot on. I haven’t used anything “breakable” so-to-speak, but I do have a load of hooks, spinner swivels and braid which I’m lead to believe has some good reviews.
What isn’t being taken into account though is the research and development on some of these items. I see there’s a version of a heli-safe - no doubt Korda would have gone through massive expense in time and money to develop that product. I’d be pretty irritated if it was now just being sold at a fraction of the price - I dare say there may be some legal implications (though I’m no expert).
This doesn’t apply to all, but there are some fantastic brand developing some brilliant bits of kit. It doesn’t seem right that their products can just be undercut and shipped directly from China. Ive just bought 100 “Krank-Style” hooks for a fiver - shame on me.
The cheap spombs are rubbish btw.
I do agree that this has exposed those companies who are simply rebranding a bit of camping equipment or a small bit of plastic. I think all do it to some degree. I’ve put a big order in for things like shrink tubing, kickers, rig boxes and it’s all been spot on. I haven’t used anything “breakable” so-to-speak, but I do have a load of hooks, spinner swivels and braid which I’m lead to believe has some good reviews.
What isn’t being taken into account though is the research and development on some of these items. I see there’s a version of a heli-safe - no doubt Korda would have gone through massive expense in time and money to develop that product. I’d be pretty irritated if it was now just being sold at a fraction of the price - I dare say there may be some legal implications (though I’m no expert).
This doesn’t apply to all, but there are some fantastic brand developing some brilliant bits of kit. It doesn’t seem right that their products can just be undercut and shipped directly from China. Ive just bought 100 “Krank-Style” hooks for a fiver - shame on me.
The cheap spombs are rubbish btw.
Sure some of it MAY be the same as what companies are selling but not all of it, take a cheap item such as the Nash bait needle that he's posted, sure it looks kinda the same but it's not the one Nash sell the temu one, looks like a temu one, a cheap copy,. If anyone is risking it with higher priced items like reels and alarms good luck to you
⚠️ ANGLER WARNING: The truth about "C4rpy Craig" (Craig Mitchell) /NoCarpTax/CarpFishingTours
Before buying tackle, clicking affiliate links, or booking fishing tours from "C4rpy Craig", anglers need to know who they are dealing with. His real name is Craig Carden, and he has a history of defrauding the angling community.
1. The Fishing Tour Scam: In 2007, Carden was arrested and charged with 11 offences, including stealing money from groups of everyday anglers by taking massive cash deposits for fake French carp trips that never existed. This was exposed by The Mirror's Penman & Sommerlad investigation.
2. The 2013 Jail Term: He was later jailed for 5 years for possession of a sawn-off shotgun in connection with a Sussex organised crime group (The Argus Court Report). He exaggerates this to "12 years" on podcasts to cover up his earlier crimes against anglers like YOU!
3. The NoCarpTax Reality: His new platform pushes cheap Temu gear under the lie that it comes from the "same factories" as top UK brands. He does not stock or quality control this gear; it is an affiliate scheme designed to generate kickback commissions for himself off the back of the angling community. The community which he stole from!
4. CarpFishingTours.com: proceed with extreme caution. A new fishing-tour company linked to Craig Carden raises obvious concerns given the documented history above. Before paying any deposit, independently verify the legal company name, who is responsible for your booking, the venue and dates, cancellation/refund terms, and genuine third-party reviews. Pay by credit card where possible and avoid cash or bank-transfer deposits without clear written protection.
Link 1 - LINKY POO™ https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10830125.peacehaven-crime-boss-jailed-for-nine-years/
Link 2 - LINKY POO™ https://www.mirror.co.uk/opinion/money-opinion/p-s-investigates/craig-cardens-one-that-got-away-534193
Link 3 - LINKY POO™ https://www.mirror.co.uk/opinion/money-opinion/p-s-investigates/craig-cardens-victims-finally-go-534127
Link 4 - LINKY POO™ https://www.mirror.co.uk/opinion/money-opinion/p-s-investigates/craig-carden-charged-with-deception-fraud-534002
Before buying tackle, clicking affiliate links, or booking fishing tours from "C4rpy Craig", anglers need to know who they are dealing with. His real name is Craig Carden, and he has a history of defrauding the angling community.
1. The Fishing Tour Scam: In 2007, Carden was arrested and charged with 11 offences, including stealing money from groups of everyday anglers by taking massive cash deposits for fake French carp trips that never existed. This was exposed by The Mirror's Penman & Sommerlad investigation.
2. The 2013 Jail Term: He was later jailed for 5 years for possession of a sawn-off shotgun in connection with a Sussex organised crime group (The Argus Court Report). He exaggerates this to "12 years" on podcasts to cover up his earlier crimes against anglers like YOU!
3. The NoCarpTax Reality: His new platform pushes cheap Temu gear under the lie that it comes from the "same factories" as top UK brands. He does not stock or quality control this gear; it is an affiliate scheme designed to generate kickback commissions for himself off the back of the angling community. The community which he stole from!
4. CarpFishingTours.com: proceed with extreme caution. A new fishing-tour company linked to Craig Carden raises obvious concerns given the documented history above. Before paying any deposit, independently verify the legal company name, who is responsible for your booking, the venue and dates, cancellation/refund terms, and genuine third-party reviews. Pay by credit card where possible and avoid cash or bank-transfer deposits without clear written protection.
Link 1 - LINKY POO™ https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10830125.peacehaven-crime-boss-jailed-for-nine-years/
Link 2 - LINKY POO™ https://www.mirror.co.uk/opinion/money-opinion/p-s-investigates/craig-cardens-one-that-got-away-534193
Link 3 - LINKY POO™ https://www.mirror.co.uk/opinion/money-opinion/p-s-investigates/craig-cardens-victims-finally-go-534127
Link 4 - LINKY POO™ https://www.mirror.co.uk/opinion/money-opinion/p-s-investigates/craig-carden-charged-with-deception-fraud-534002
I’m sure there was a thread on here many years ago about a guy taking money for lakes/trips and then doing a runner (could be the same guy)
Said in my earlier post that he’s probably getting commission from this
Said in my earlier post that he’s probably getting commission from this
In reply to Post #65
I remember someone taking money for Ebro fishing trips.
He would make arrangements to pick them up from the airport but never showed up.
So not only was they out of pocket they were left stranded without a flight back for another week.
I could be wrong on the next bit but he used to have an ebay username that had the word grandad in it to give the appearance he was elderly
I remember someone taking money for Ebro fishing trips.
He would make arrangements to pick them up from the airport but never showed up.
So not only was they out of pocket they were left stranded without a flight back for another week.
I could be wrong on the next bit but he used to have an ebay username that had the word grandad in it to give the appearance he was elderly
In reply to Post #64
3. The NoCarpTax Reality: His new platform pushes cheap Temu gear under the lie that it comes from the "same factories" as top UK brands. He does not stock or quality control this gear; it is an affiliate scheme designed to generate kickback commissions for himself off the back of the angling community. The community which he stole from!
I thought this was a lie. How does he know what factory produces what, I find extremely unlikely that he's done any research and if this information is readily available.
3. The NoCarpTax Reality: His new platform pushes cheap Temu gear under the lie that it comes from the "same factories" as top UK brands. He does not stock or quality control this gear; it is an affiliate scheme designed to generate kickback commissions for himself off the back of the angling community. The community which he stole from!
I thought this was a lie. How does he know what factory produces what, I find extremely unlikely that he's done any research and if this information is readily available.
So if I understand this, bloke complains that he had not been sponsored or supported by the fishing industry so is now naming and shaming various named anglers and trying to 'expose ' the carp tax by pushing Temu stuff as being identical.
But it turns out he is a convicted criminal involved in scamming anglers and other more serious organised crime, does he not think that maybe this is the reason none of the companies he is going after didn't want anything to do with him? Having a convicted fraudster isn't the best way to promote your company.
Or am I missing something in this story?
But it turns out he is a convicted criminal involved in scamming anglers and other more serious organised crime, does he not think that maybe this is the reason none of the companies he is going after didn't want anything to do with him? Having a convicted fraudster isn't the best way to promote your company.
Or am I missing something in this story?
In reply to Post #64
That's a considerable amount of effort and research, what was your motivation for that, save us all from a fate worse than death or maybe you are part of the tackle industry or just bored.
As I understand it you are buying from Temu not him, yes he gets a commission if bought via his site, cant see anything wrong with that
Also so we all know the background of people we are dealing with, I don't think so
And no I don't know or care about the guy but anyone on here that thinks he is wrong about manufacturers ripping anglers off is delusional in my humble opinion.
Go fishing
That's a considerable amount of effort and research, what was your motivation for that, save us all from a fate worse than death or maybe you are part of the tackle industry or just bored.
As I understand it you are buying from Temu not him, yes he gets a commission if bought via his site, cant see anything wrong with that
Also so we all know the background of people we are dealing with, I don't think so
And no I don't know or care about the guy but anyone on here that thinks he is wrong about manufacturers ripping anglers off is delusional in my humble opinion.
Go fishing
In reply to Post #69
It was no effort at all once you know Craig Carden's real name. He was a member on here years ago, complete pleb then and he hasn't changed much.
Why is he pretending to be Craig Mitchell, leave the Mitchell surname out of it, there's no need to associate it with his crimes, because that's what they are, crimes.
No, I'm nothing to do with tackle industry (not that that is any of your business) and don't try to pretend what he's done in his past is irrelevant. He's a scammer, more on that in a moment.
Who cares what he's doing with TEMU. If he feels the need to bolster his normal wage as a toilet fitter with some TEMU commission, great! £6 for a sign up and 30% on first order - lovely, can't wait to see that get pumped back into carp fishing by our new found Robin Hood!
Back to the most important finding, the fact he's a scammer.
Do you really think someone that organises a Spanish fishing trip for a Father and son, and then ghosts them once they land in Barcelona is trustworthy?
If you do then I can only assume that if I walked through your deepest thoughts I wouldn't get my ankles wet! Wake up and stop tongue punching his ring, you obviously do care.
Maybe you think him doxxing people is good behaviour? I haven't even publicised that side of him YET. Watch this space.
Go fishing
I'm fishing now, you're not my first bite today!
It was no effort at all once you know Craig Carden's real name. He was a member on here years ago, complete pleb then and he hasn't changed much.
Why is he pretending to be Craig Mitchell, leave the Mitchell surname out of it, there's no need to associate it with his crimes, because that's what they are, crimes.
No, I'm nothing to do with tackle industry (not that that is any of your business) and don't try to pretend what he's done in his past is irrelevant. He's a scammer, more on that in a moment.
Who cares what he's doing with TEMU. If he feels the need to bolster his normal wage as a toilet fitter with some TEMU commission, great! £6 for a sign up and 30% on first order - lovely, can't wait to see that get pumped back into carp fishing by our new found Robin Hood!
Back to the most important finding, the fact he's a scammer.
Do you really think someone that organises a Spanish fishing trip for a Father and son, and then ghosts them once they land in Barcelona is trustworthy?
If you do then I can only assume that if I walked through your deepest thoughts I wouldn't get my ankles wet! Wake up and stop tongue punching his ring, you obviously do care.
Maybe you think him doxxing people is good behaviour? I haven't even publicised that side of him YET. Watch this space.
Go fishing
I'm fishing now, you're not my first bite today!
In reply to Post #69
And no I don't know or care about the guy but anyone on here that thinks he is wrong about manufacturers ripping anglers off is delusional in my humble opinion
Humble is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your post. It’s actual meaning is “describes a person who does not think they are better than others, or a thing that is simple and plain”
Manufacturers ripping off anglers is neither simple or plain. Maybe one could look at OMC and say that they are ripping people off my just picking up any old catalogue standard Far Eastern product and trebling the price. But to tar the industry with that brush, is not just delusional but child like intelligence.
An iPhone doesn’t cost £1k to make, it could be copied and sold for less than £50 - but Apple protect their patent’s. A Volvo isn’t worth say £20k when it may only cost £2k to produce we are not being ripped off by “all” we are paying market price, for development, innovation, design, marketing, sales and in some instances the promotion of the sport we love.
Sweeping statements and having no commercial acumen is dangerous - I doubt there is a single product that Korda sell that didn’t start it’s life with a minus £x thousand regards development, so supporting a corrupt regime in counterfeiting and stealing a margin for yourself, to me is so so wrong.
I applaud anyone who is prepared to look into motivations of people who claim to be ‘shaking up the industry’ and hope many people can see this for what it really is. If the point of this was to highlight blue tooth bivvy lights, park benches and smoothie grinders then it may have deserved traction, when it lands like it has with you that counterfeiting is the way forward - we’ll all in end up in Turkish made stone island, itchy aquascutum scarves and rubber Birkenstocks.
Carp tax only exists within a few companies and is not (for me) anything to do with the margin of a UK developed spomb.
And no I don't know or care about the guy but anyone on here that thinks he is wrong about manufacturers ripping anglers off is delusional in my humble opinion
Humble is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your post. It’s actual meaning is “describes a person who does not think they are better than others, or a thing that is simple and plain”
Manufacturers ripping off anglers is neither simple or plain. Maybe one could look at OMC and say that they are ripping people off my just picking up any old catalogue standard Far Eastern product and trebling the price. But to tar the industry with that brush, is not just delusional but child like intelligence.
An iPhone doesn’t cost £1k to make, it could be copied and sold for less than £50 - but Apple protect their patent’s. A Volvo isn’t worth say £20k when it may only cost £2k to produce we are not being ripped off by “all” we are paying market price, for development, innovation, design, marketing, sales and in some instances the promotion of the sport we love.
Sweeping statements and having no commercial acumen is dangerous - I doubt there is a single product that Korda sell that didn’t start it’s life with a minus £x thousand regards development, so supporting a corrupt regime in counterfeiting and stealing a margin for yourself, to me is so so wrong.
I applaud anyone who is prepared to look into motivations of people who claim to be ‘shaking up the industry’ and hope many people can see this for what it really is. If the point of this was to highlight blue tooth bivvy lights, park benches and smoothie grinders then it may have deserved traction, when it lands like it has with you that counterfeiting is the way forward - we’ll all in end up in Turkish made stone island, itchy aquascutum scarves and rubber Birkenstocks.
Carp tax only exists within a few companies and is not (for me) anything to do with the margin of a UK developed spomb.
In reply to Post #71
Whilst I agreed with the early iteration of no carp tax, it’s becoming a bit ridiculous now.
Why I agreed at the start
- brands popping up, ordering stuff from China, 0 r&d costs and sticking their prices in line with existing brands
- brands outsourcing to China, you get what you wish for. It was obvious China would just create more
- brands spending how many thousands sponsoring complete tools? Charging everyone else way more to subsidise these take out merchants
- it was all tried & tested gear that Craig or close friends had used.
Why I’m starting to raise an eyebrow.
- hundreds of new links, camping gear ect, has he really actually tried all of this stuff?
- starting to look like it’s purely a play to get affiliate commission rather than a movement to help people
- this has a bit of a personal element to Ali to it now. I think Ali is a complete tool, but, do I want to see someone take pleasure if he goes out of business? Absolutely not. Knock on effect to family ect.
Whilst I agreed with the early iteration of no carp tax, it’s becoming a bit ridiculous now.
Why I agreed at the start
- brands popping up, ordering stuff from China, 0 r&d costs and sticking their prices in line with existing brands
- brands outsourcing to China, you get what you wish for. It was obvious China would just create more
- brands spending how many thousands sponsoring complete tools? Charging everyone else way more to subsidise these take out merchants
- it was all tried & tested gear that Craig or close friends had used.
Why I’m starting to raise an eyebrow.
- hundreds of new links, camping gear ect, has he really actually tried all of this stuff?
- starting to look like it’s purely a play to get affiliate commission rather than a movement to help people
- this has a bit of a personal element to Ali to it now. I think Ali is a complete tool, but, do I want to see someone take pleasure if he goes out of business? Absolutely not. Knock on effect to family ect.
I wasn't aware there was so much tackle on Temu.
I have no problem buying it but I will avoid nocarptax.com
Why don't we create a thread on here with links
I have no problem buying it but I will avoid nocarptax.com
Why don't we create a thread on here with links
In reply to Post #73
From the looks of things, there are some users who would NOT like TEMU being linked to...however, there's also been a few who've asked me to start a section!
After all, we've been sharing TEMU & AliExpress links / suggestions on the site for years.
I've personally been getting bits off BangGood for years (BangGood was around for at least a decade before TEMU took over the scene)
Little bits for computing, photography, woodworking, shooting, fishing etc
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One member I was talking to yesterday said we could have a section on the forum where an item could be listed and those who have already bought/purchased that item can comment on whether it was good/bad/ugly.
Here's some bits I have bought in the past
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The poncho I've never used and the Krank looking hooks are not as good as the Korda ones unfortunately so they get used on the river, not syndicate waters with big (more important) fish.
From the looks of things, there are some users who would NOT like TEMU being linked to...however, there's also been a few who've asked me to start a section!
After all, we've been sharing TEMU & AliExpress links / suggestions on the site for years.
I've personally been getting bits off BangGood for years (BangGood was around for at least a decade before TEMU took over the scene)
Little bits for computing, photography, woodworking, shooting, fishing etc
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One member I was talking to yesterday said we could have a section on the forum where an item could be listed and those who have already bought/purchased that item can comment on whether it was good/bad/ugly.
Here's some bits I have bought in the past
LINKY POO™ https://temu.to/k/ezd11d99zl2
The poncho I've never used and the Krank looking hooks are not as good as the Korda ones unfortunately so they get used on the river, not syndicate waters with big (more important) fish.
In reply to Post #74
I absolutely get I’m in a minority - and only speak from personal opinion, but I really think the more this happens the nearer the end is.
If anyone wants to buy from Temu, AliExpress or anywhere and find some decent prices then no problem for me. When it’s started to be promoted and seen as an industry shake up, that’s where I just can’t get my head round it.
Decent, family run Tackle shops are at risk, they simply won’t be able to survive if a large percentage start to buy other counterfeit or direct products - this is such short term thinking.
My closest tackle shop is now a 30 min drive, here used to be 5 within 10 mins. Listen to Ricci from FishOn in the Korda podcast regards the value of a local tackle shop and the knowledge and growth that these breed.
If it’s just some beads, swivels and aligners, I get it, and people going direct rather than a Bank tackle is not much different. The reseller in the UK never did any of the hard yards so they pretty much get what they deserve. But let’s look at some of the real dangers -
The spomb, developed in the UK and revolutionised spodding -thousands paid to protect copyright- thousands paid in development- but the market was flooded with very good copies at under the tackle shop TRADE price. Meaning the shops would be better off ordering from Temu than the UK? The knock on is that development stops, why would anyone invest thousands into the longer term when the end result is pretty much guaranteed?
It’s not just fishing, obviously, but given the other threats how long will it survive without retail and jobs in the uk market underpinning it - how long will companies that innovate last?
In its basic form just look at Korda - a company that for years and years has not just innovated but accepted that they won’t just copy the stuff that’s out there, if they can’t significantly improve something they don’t do it. Delkims, Reels, shelters, bait (I know ml connection) and such like - compare that to OMC who have managed to launch the full Far Eastern suite in a couple of years. Temu and the like (and the promotion of) will immediately hurt companies like OMC, but the knock on will be that the proper companies just stop ploughing money into innovation, development and eventually even squeeze retailer margins.
Times are hard and I don’t expect anyone to pay £6 for something they can get for £2 - but like so many these these days spare a thought for the consequences- don’t moan when your local shop closes or Angling Direct buys them to buy copies from the Far East. Don’t look back in 20 years and say why is there not UK industry pressure to rally behind fishing when the going gets tough.
The single biggest issue now is ‘stop the boats’ people saying, come over here, Nick our jobs, increase our tax etc. etc. - and see absolutely no correlation with the death of uk manufacturing, the death of our high streets etc. if we were a successful country we’d probably welcome all comers t do the work we need to do - now there are fewer and fewer of us putting into the pot because bit by bit businesses, manufacturing and innovation has gone. Everyone will say ‘but fox, Nash, Korda’ use the Far East anyway, yes they do, but with proper overheads, paying UK and supporting our shops.
Like I’ve said before this is an issue caused by a few brands, that are just releasing absolute crap - see that for what it is and make your choice, but look at this counterfeit ‘spomb’ or helisafe or krank hook comes at a price further down the line.
This isn’t a pop at you or anyone, I just get frustrated that we no longer see value only price and I will try not to post on this thread again as I am coming across as a lunatic 😎
I absolutely get I’m in a minority - and only speak from personal opinion, but I really think the more this happens the nearer the end is.
If anyone wants to buy from Temu, AliExpress or anywhere and find some decent prices then no problem for me. When it’s started to be promoted and seen as an industry shake up, that’s where I just can’t get my head round it.
Decent, family run Tackle shops are at risk, they simply won’t be able to survive if a large percentage start to buy other counterfeit or direct products - this is such short term thinking.
My closest tackle shop is now a 30 min drive, here used to be 5 within 10 mins. Listen to Ricci from FishOn in the Korda podcast regards the value of a local tackle shop and the knowledge and growth that these breed.
If it’s just some beads, swivels and aligners, I get it, and people going direct rather than a Bank tackle is not much different. The reseller in the UK never did any of the hard yards so they pretty much get what they deserve. But let’s look at some of the real dangers -
The spomb, developed in the UK and revolutionised spodding -thousands paid to protect copyright- thousands paid in development- but the market was flooded with very good copies at under the tackle shop TRADE price. Meaning the shops would be better off ordering from Temu than the UK? The knock on is that development stops, why would anyone invest thousands into the longer term when the end result is pretty much guaranteed?
It’s not just fishing, obviously, but given the other threats how long will it survive without retail and jobs in the uk market underpinning it - how long will companies that innovate last?
In its basic form just look at Korda - a company that for years and years has not just innovated but accepted that they won’t just copy the stuff that’s out there, if they can’t significantly improve something they don’t do it. Delkims, Reels, shelters, bait (I know ml connection) and such like - compare that to OMC who have managed to launch the full Far Eastern suite in a couple of years. Temu and the like (and the promotion of) will immediately hurt companies like OMC, but the knock on will be that the proper companies just stop ploughing money into innovation, development and eventually even squeeze retailer margins.
Times are hard and I don’t expect anyone to pay £6 for something they can get for £2 - but like so many these these days spare a thought for the consequences- don’t moan when your local shop closes or Angling Direct buys them to buy copies from the Far East. Don’t look back in 20 years and say why is there not UK industry pressure to rally behind fishing when the going gets tough.
The single biggest issue now is ‘stop the boats’ people saying, come over here, Nick our jobs, increase our tax etc. etc. - and see absolutely no correlation with the death of uk manufacturing, the death of our high streets etc. if we were a successful country we’d probably welcome all comers t do the work we need to do - now there are fewer and fewer of us putting into the pot because bit by bit businesses, manufacturing and innovation has gone. Everyone will say ‘but fox, Nash, Korda’ use the Far East anyway, yes they do, but with proper overheads, paying UK and supporting our shops.
Like I’ve said before this is an issue caused by a few brands, that are just releasing absolute crap - see that for what it is and make your choice, but look at this counterfeit ‘spomb’ or helisafe or krank hook comes at a price further down the line.
This isn’t a pop at you or anyone, I just get frustrated that we no longer see value only price and I will try not to post on this thread again as I am coming across as a lunatic 😎
In reply to Post #75
On the subject of tackle shops closing, Poingdestre's is the latest to go.
On the subject of tackle shops closing, Poingdestre's is the latest to go.