In reply to Post #60
Do you think John suggests levels for single hookbaits that are on the low side?
Do you think John suggests levels for single hookbaits that are on the low side?
In reply to Post #61
I think his recommendations for hookbaits are in-line with his recommended levels for feed bait.
But yes, he definitely airs on the low side with things.
I probably should have said- my mix's are not to accompany a matching feedbait. I use them as singles or by a bed of unrelated feed bait so higher levels work better in this instance in my opinion.
I think his recommendations for hookbaits are in-line with his recommended levels for feed bait.
But yes, he definitely airs on the low side with things.
I probably should have said- my mix's are not to accompany a matching feedbait. I use them as singles or by a bed of unrelated feed bait so higher levels work better in this instance in my opinion.
In reply to Post #59
0.3ml is on the low side. But your also correct you do get to a point things don't smell like they once did.
0.3ml is on the low side. But your also correct you do get to a point things don't smell like they once did.
In reply to Post #59
Weirdly enough, I've just started using johns baits and to an extent I do agree with you.
However, with certain base mixes comes different flavours levels. I tried using the plum to the exact dosage as recommended (I was using mainlines Polaris mix for spring high viz singles) After constant experimenting I've found out for the Polaris, use x3 the recommend doesage.
I've also made some corkball pop ups using the supermilk and TM1 (x2 recommended dosage) can't smell the TM1 that much but there is a slight whiff of it. I did air dry them for 72 hours so probably a bit dry!! However it did get me thinking as per johns videos. These silt pigs have better noses than us, especially under water and the thought of an over powered bait really started to make me cringe, their natural food isn't full of sweeteners and all sorts?
I do agree with your point though to an extent , but I also disagree, I think different base mixes require different levels of flavour, for example the Polaris provides no nutritional value and the flavour is extremely concealed inside the skin of the boilie. The minute the boilie is broken it is very potent. I'm not expert in bait rolling and do not claim to be either as I've only recently just started, I'd agree with johns recommended dosage when making freebies. When making hook baits I'd say x2 the recommended dosage If the base mix is of nutritional value, eg supermilk, milk and honey and any other food source. For non nutritional base mixes eg Polaris or maybe even ccmoore I'd triple the dosage.
Happy to give you a hand as I've made some great pop ups in little time, feel free to pm me
Weirdly enough, I've just started using johns baits and to an extent I do agree with you.
However, with certain base mixes comes different flavours levels. I tried using the plum to the exact dosage as recommended (I was using mainlines Polaris mix for spring high viz singles) After constant experimenting I've found out for the Polaris, use x3 the recommend doesage.
I've also made some corkball pop ups using the supermilk and TM1 (x2 recommended dosage) can't smell the TM1 that much but there is a slight whiff of it. I did air dry them for 72 hours so probably a bit dry!! However it did get me thinking as per johns videos. These silt pigs have better noses than us, especially under water and the thought of an over powered bait really started to make me cringe, their natural food isn't full of sweeteners and all sorts?
I do agree with your point though to an extent , but I also disagree, I think different base mixes require different levels of flavour, for example the Polaris provides no nutritional value and the flavour is extremely concealed inside the skin of the boilie. The minute the boilie is broken it is very potent. I'm not expert in bait rolling and do not claim to be either as I've only recently just started, I'd agree with johns recommended dosage when making freebies. When making hook baits I'd say x2 the recommended dosage If the base mix is of nutritional value, eg supermilk, milk and honey and any other food source. For non nutritional base mixes eg Polaris or maybe even ccmoore I'd triple the dosage.
Happy to give you a hand as I've made some great pop ups in little time, feel free to pm me
In reply to Post #64
Polaris provides no nutritional value... Any more info about hat?
Polaris provides no nutritional value... Any more info about hat?
Definitely concur about going nose blind after smelling flavours and making bait, usually until a family member walks through the front door and instantly protests to the apparent awful smell.
I'm sure John knows the general levels his flavours work best and has probably seen & heard many stories of more flavour = more bites kind of thing and a little less is more than likely better than over doing it.
That being said you do have to find the levels that work best on your waters.
I'm sure John knows the general levels his flavours work best and has probably seen & heard many stories of more flavour = more bites kind of thing and a little less is more than likely better than over doing it.
That being said you do have to find the levels that work best on your waters.
In reply to Post #65
Indeed it doesn't, it's not a ‘food source' such as a normal base mix e.g super milk, mainline cell etc. Difficult to explain.
Can't remember which video JB mentions this in so I'm going by his word
Indeed it doesn't, it's not a ‘food source' such as a normal base mix e.g super milk, mainline cell etc. Difficult to explain.
Can't remember which video JB mentions this in so I'm going by his word
In reply to Post #67
So it is made out of air? Because I cant imagine how it wouldnt have any nutritional value otherwise, especially if your idea of nutritional value is cell.
So it is made out of air? Because I cant imagine how it wouldnt have any nutritional value otherwise, especially if your idea of nutritional value is cell.
In reply to Post #68
It will contain Milks!
It will contain Milks!
In reply to Post #69
Ingredients: Soya Proteins, Milk Proteins, Wheat, Maize, Gluten, Inorganic Buoyancy Additive. Analysis: Crude protein 44,98%, Crude fats 12,8% etc... No nutritional value?
Ingredients: Soya Proteins, Milk Proteins, Wheat, Maize, Gluten, Inorganic Buoyancy Additive. Analysis: Crude protein 44,98%, Crude fats 12,8% etc... No nutritional value?
In reply to Post #70
I'm just going by what a top bait maker with 40+ years experience has said... JB might be right, he might be wrong.. don't shoot the messenger 
I'm just going by what a top bait maker with 40+ years experience has said... JB might be right, he might be wrong.. don't shoot the messenger
In reply to Post #59
You definitely get noseblind after making bait.
My ex used to moan like heck about the house stinking if I made bait when she was out, even though I had cleaned up. Liver and Trigga was not the sweetest smell...
0.3ml is very low for a hookbait, I would think that is at a ratio intended for a foodbait hookbait. If for hookbaits only I would use the same quantity of flavour for a 1 egg mix as recommended for 6 eggs.
I honestly don't think proprietary pop-up mixes are particularly nutritious, although if you mix it with your standard base mix you will improve it; you then have the joy of trying to work out what quantity of pop-up mix to add to your base mix to get a pop-up.
You definitely get noseblind after making bait.
My ex used to moan like heck about the house stinking if I made bait when she was out, even though I had cleaned up. Liver and Trigga was not the sweetest smell...
0.3ml is very low for a hookbait, I would think that is at a ratio intended for a foodbait hookbait. If for hookbaits only I would use the same quantity of flavour for a 1 egg mix as recommended for 6 eggs.
I honestly don't think proprietary pop-up mixes are particularly nutritious, although if you mix it with your standard base mix you will improve it; you then have the joy of trying to work out what quantity of pop-up mix to add to your base mix to get a pop-up.
In reply to Post #70
I was agreeing with you!
I was agreeing with you!
In reply to Post #72
1ml Plum seems to work well with Polaris. So 3x the recommended amount.
1ml Plum seems to work well with Polaris. So 3x the recommended amount.
In reply to Post #70
Thats a lot of fat for something largely based on protein.
Thats a lot of fat for something largely based on protein.