In reply to Post #45
What type of fermentation are you referring to ? If it's using lactobacillus, then there is definitely hydrolysis taking place. Many strains produce proteases which under optimum conditions will break down proteins albeit at a slower rate than if neat enzymes are used.
What type of fermentation are you referring to ? If it's using lactobacillus, then there is definitely hydrolysis taking place. Many strains produce proteases which under optimum conditions will break down proteins albeit at a slower rate than if neat enzymes are used.
For anyone interested, I've just noticed that AA Baits now offer a new basemix called “Spicy Tropaminamino Fishmeal Basemix”. Not sure how close this is to the mix you're all discussing in this thread, but may be worth a look?
It retails for £30 near as dammit for 5kg and £96 odd for 20kg. Also available in higher quantities for bigger discounts.
It retails for £30 near as dammit for 5kg and £96 odd for 20kg. Also available in higher quantities for bigger discounts.
In reply to Post #34
https://aabaits.co.uk/product/spicy-tropaminamino-fishmeal/
https://aabaits.co.uk/product/spicy-tropaminamino-fishmeal/
In reply to Post #49
AA 's Tropmix reads well ,but you do not know the inclusion rates of any ingredient , in the mix.
AA 's Tropmix reads well ,but you do not know the inclusion rates of any ingredient , in the mix.
In reply to Post #50
I've asked but no reply as yet
I've asked but no reply as yet
In reply to Post #50
If you were them would you give away the mix formulation...I wouldn't.
If you were them would you give away the mix formulation...I wouldn't.
In reply to Post #53
Secret Sauce
if its a decent inclusion rate, their sales may go up by being more transparent. It would also be a first in the industry - no one does that.
Secret Sauce
if its a decent inclusion rate, their sales may go up by being more transparent. It would also be a first in the industry - no one does that.
In reply to Post #50
Don't think you do with many companies, even then it comes down to trust & could possibly be who made that batch on said day. No different from buying readymade bait.
AA Baits would seem like a decent outfit, I haven't heard of many negatives though I must say I haven't been looking but this forum is helpful with good / bad reviews.
Only way sometimes is to give it a whirl or the HNV fishmeal, am sure they would catch plenty if used well. My old basic 60/40 or 50/50 birdseed & fishmeal mixes caught loads and these have got far more going on.
Think we carpers definitely have a wobble regarding bait, I still do!
Don't think you do with many companies, even then it comes down to trust & could possibly be who made that batch on said day. No different from buying readymade bait.
AA Baits would seem like a decent outfit, I haven't heard of many negatives though I must say I haven't been looking but this forum is helpful with good / bad reviews.
Only way sometimes is to give it a whirl or the HNV fishmeal, am sure they would catch plenty if used well. My old basic 60/40 or 50/50 birdseed & fishmeal mixes caught loads and these have got far more going on.
Think we carpers definitely have a wobble regarding bait, I still do!
In reply to Post #54
As its based on a published recipe then I think giving the details on it could only help sales and give people a little more confidence in what they are ordering.
They wouldn't be the first...I gave the recipe for one of my baits that I used to sell many years ago...its still published on here as BM1 mix and I added (from memory) MSG, betaine and GLM to the final bait I sold plus a flavour that was made for me by the late Bob Campbell
As its based on a published recipe then I think giving the details on it could only help sales and give people a little more confidence in what they are ordering.
They wouldn't be the first...I gave the recipe for one of my baits that I used to sell many years ago...its still published on here as BM1 mix and I added (from memory) MSG, betaine and GLM to the final bait I sold plus a flavour that was made for me by the late Bob Campbell
Hi its the same with bit more .
I got fed up with no responce from 3 emails from quality baits back in aug when i asked hear .
Still no replys ,
So i emailed aa baits myself with the resipe from the og group and asked if they could knocl it up for me but with the paprika and spice added ,
Danny from aa baits has been emailing me since and has knock up a test batch his self for sale to see how it goes, i recived my batch 3 weeks back .
It has it all in same percentages with there added feed stim and somthing els.
No tropical flaver tho as i be using john bakers flavers.
They will also be bringing a nut version danny tellts me
I got fed up with no responce from 3 emails from quality baits back in aug when i asked hear .
Still no replys ,
So i emailed aa baits myself with the resipe from the og group and asked if they could knocl it up for me but with the paprika and spice added ,
Danny from aa baits has been emailing me since and has knock up a test batch his self for sale to see how it goes, i recived my batch 3 weeks back .
It has it all in same percentages with there added feed stim and somthing els.
No tropical flaver tho as i be using john bakers flavers.
They will also be bringing a nut version danny tellts me
In reply to Post #50
This is a bit cheeky from AA in my opinion, i thought they were above that.
The Trop was never meant to be commercially available, only later did the originators of the mix give permission for BAF to mix it and sell it. It seems Quality baits and now AA have jumped on others work and the trops reputation for their own financial gain.
I appreciate the recipe was put out there so some may say fair game. But still doesnt sit right with me, especially AA, where they are using the name but the recipe isn't even the same
This is a bit cheeky from AA in my opinion, i thought they were above that.
The Trop was never meant to be commercially available, only later did the originators of the mix give permission for BAF to mix it and sell it. It seems Quality baits and now AA have jumped on others work and the trops reputation for their own financial gain.
I appreciate the recipe was put out there so some may say fair game. But still doesnt sit right with me, especially AA, where they are using the name but the recipe isn't even the same
In reply to Post #57
I think they should list the exact recipe to at least respect the original group. Like open source software any tweaks are shared for the community to use. People can then buy with better confidence they are getting what they think they are getting.
I think they should list the exact recipe to at least respect the original group. Like open source software any tweaks are shared for the community to use. People can then buy with better confidence they are getting what they think they are getting.
In reply to Post #59
Programmers and carp anglers have different mentalities.
Don't know if this will work out.
Nevertheless, in EU the ingredients should be listed on every bag of bait sold.
Is this similar in the UK?
At least you know what is in it 😉
Programmers and carp anglers have different mentalities.
Don't know if this will work out.
Nevertheless, in EU the ingredients should be listed on every bag of bait sold.
Is this similar in the UK?
At least you know what is in it 😉
In reply to Post #60
Useful, However, is there any governing body that checks the contents?
Lets be honest, if unchecked, they could pretty much say that these baits contain whatever they choose to list and only a very well trained eye and nose would know of a certain ingredients inclusion......
Useful, However, is there any governing body that checks the contents?
Lets be honest, if unchecked, they could pretty much say that these baits contain whatever they choose to list and only a very well trained eye and nose would know of a certain ingredients inclusion......
In reply to Post #61
I don't think AA would risk their reputation by diluting or cutting anything they sold. They are one of the most respected ingredients suppliers there is and with BAF exiting the home roller market, why would they risk their business when it's probably growing nicely.
I don't think AA would risk their reputation by diluting or cutting anything they sold. They are one of the most respected ingredients suppliers there is and with BAF exiting the home roller market, why would they risk their business when it's probably growing nicely.