In reply to Post #29
This basically due to the fact that your boilie/bait isn't their only feed source
After all these years of getting it wrong with bait there is one common factor for me. The fish will decide what it is going to eat, end of
For every water I have fished I have learnt something and that's important. It makes total sense to use the “ultimate” food bait if you are campaign fishing and feeding them, however, I have lost count of the times a numpty rolls up and does a pub chuck with a yellow pop up and rattles a few special ones out in no time at all
I try and use a quality food source, feed the fish and catch them but I have been one dimensional over they years and it has cost me fish because the thought of lobbing a yellow pop up out into the abyss and sitting on my hands does not appeal to me one bit, it's luck fishing, I like to try and stack the odds in my favour
They key point from years of getting it wrong, fish are getting more and more pressured and we need to learn from this. I have been fortunate over they years to fish a few un pressured waters and I can say this, they are relatively easy to catch and soon know what a 20mm boilie is, that's what I use. Start with pressured fish and it changes their feeding habits, big fish have to eat some food to maintain their weight, all those crafty carp not getting caught because they are dealing with our hookbaits, I don't doubt there is an element of getting away with it, have seen it many times but there is also the element of feeding on naturals!
A TOP angler who I know and respect once said to me, they are scared of having a feed in here. I thought, bollox lol,I will show you, he was wrong, I caught loads of fish, some 3 and 4 times but I didn't catch a couple of the special ones, he was right, these fish didn't need boiled bait. Guess what, after looking at all the past catches of them for over the previous 10 - 15 years nearly all of them were opportunist, Fluoro singles. Once talked to one bloke, came on a water and he rattled 3 top fish out in no time at all, bright orange scopex WTF
I know another bloke and I always used to laugh to myself, he had a large yellow van for his trade, he also used yellow pop ups on all 3 rods lol and he catches his fair share of fish. Use to think, the yellow peril pop up man is here, get ready lol
Bait is a key part of the jigsaw and as anglers we can become numb. We need to be adaptable to the water we are fishing at the time and be prepared to change and stop going through the motions because using the ultimate food source is not always the ultimate answer. Notice what is working and understand WHY
This basically due to the fact that your boilie/bait isn't their only feed source
After all these years of getting it wrong with bait there is one common factor for me. The fish will decide what it is going to eat, end of
For every water I have fished I have learnt something and that's important. It makes total sense to use the “ultimate” food bait if you are campaign fishing and feeding them, however, I have lost count of the times a numpty rolls up and does a pub chuck with a yellow pop up and rattles a few special ones out in no time at all
I try and use a quality food source, feed the fish and catch them but I have been one dimensional over they years and it has cost me fish because the thought of lobbing a yellow pop up out into the abyss and sitting on my hands does not appeal to me one bit, it's luck fishing, I like to try and stack the odds in my favour
They key point from years of getting it wrong, fish are getting more and more pressured and we need to learn from this. I have been fortunate over they years to fish a few un pressured waters and I can say this, they are relatively easy to catch and soon know what a 20mm boilie is, that's what I use. Start with pressured fish and it changes their feeding habits, big fish have to eat some food to maintain their weight, all those crafty carp not getting caught because they are dealing with our hookbaits, I don't doubt there is an element of getting away with it, have seen it many times but there is also the element of feeding on naturals!
A TOP angler who I know and respect once said to me, they are scared of having a feed in here. I thought, bollox lol,I will show you, he was wrong, I caught loads of fish, some 3 and 4 times but I didn't catch a couple of the special ones, he was right, these fish didn't need boiled bait. Guess what, after looking at all the past catches of them for over the previous 10 - 15 years nearly all of them were opportunist, Fluoro singles. Once talked to one bloke, came on a water and he rattled 3 top fish out in no time at all, bright orange scopex WTF
I know another bloke and I always used to laugh to myself, he had a large yellow van for his trade, he also used yellow pop ups on all 3 rods lol and he catches his fair share of fish. Use to think, the yellow peril pop up man is here, get ready lol
Bait is a key part of the jigsaw and as anglers we can become numb. We need to be adaptable to the water we are fishing at the time and be prepared to change and stop going through the motions because using the ultimate food source is not always the ultimate answer. Notice what is working and understand WHY
In reply to Post #26
To state that the bigger or harder to catch fish will always be caught on a boiled bait over a nut or corn is a bit of a stretch.
Boilies dominate waters because anglers love to use them. They are convenient, easy to get out into the lake and versatile in how they can be applied. Most of all anglers believe the hype that is peddled on forums, social media or YouTube that boiled baits catch you more fish than lower cost baits like pellet, hemp or corn.
This information is pushed by people who pay their bills from selling the bait. They reward people for sending photos of fish, people see the photos and buy the bait, more people use the bait to catch fish and send the photos.
The whole process is far more effective at sustaining the myth than any magical combination of ingredients in a ball of boiled by-products.
I don't think many people who have actually observed fish feeding would be able to say that a carp would pick up a man made boiled ball over a few grains of corn or a handful of peanuts.
To state that the bigger or harder to catch fish will always be caught on a boiled bait over a nut or corn is a bit of a stretch.
Boilies dominate waters because anglers love to use them. They are convenient, easy to get out into the lake and versatile in how they can be applied. Most of all anglers believe the hype that is peddled on forums, social media or YouTube that boiled baits catch you more fish than lower cost baits like pellet, hemp or corn.
This information is pushed by people who pay their bills from selling the bait. They reward people for sending photos of fish, people see the photos and buy the bait, more people use the bait to catch fish and send the photos.
The whole process is far more effective at sustaining the myth than any magical combination of ingredients in a ball of boiled by-products.
I don't think many people who have actually observed fish feeding would be able to say that a carp would pick up a man made boiled ball over a few grains of corn or a handful of peanuts.
In reply to Post #32
Lot of truth in that
Lot of truth in that
In reply to Post #22
and hemp
and hemp
In reply to Post #32
I have never caught a big carp on a tiger nut, but I have caught plenty on a well made boilie. I understand that you can catch carp on a whole number of different items and I have had enough on plastic corn to realise that
But when I fish a water for a period of time I want to be working towards a final goal and improving my chances of the bigger fish, and that's where I think a decent food bait has a major edge. I have seen the particle revolution hit Oxfordshire and the boilie fishing has been so effective against it. You had a bit of a dig at bait makers there which is aimed at all the boilie manufacturers out there. Let's take a look at bill cottam, Mike willmott, John baker, etc. I think it's fair to say that the amount of huge carp caught on their products is probably ten thousand times more than those caught on a peanut (which I quite like using). A boilie offers something that no particle can replicate and I can avoid all of the others species by using them. I know I sell boilies, but I sell pellets and particles too, and I see what catches most carp over twelve months of the year.
The local ressie near me is a tricky one to fish, the particle brigade have had very few bites in the last 12 months......the lads on a decent boilie have had 90 percent of the stock and repeated so many carp in that time. Why is this?
I have never caught a big carp on a tiger nut, but I have caught plenty on a well made boilie. I understand that you can catch carp on a whole number of different items and I have had enough on plastic corn to realise that
But when I fish a water for a period of time I want to be working towards a final goal and improving my chances of the bigger fish, and that's where I think a decent food bait has a major edge. I have seen the particle revolution hit Oxfordshire and the boilie fishing has been so effective against it. You had a bit of a dig at bait makers there which is aimed at all the boilie manufacturers out there. Let's take a look at bill cottam, Mike willmott, John baker, etc. I think it's fair to say that the amount of huge carp caught on their products is probably ten thousand times more than those caught on a peanut (which I quite like using). A boilie offers something that no particle can replicate and I can avoid all of the others species by using them. I know I sell boilies, but I sell pellets and particles too, and I see what catches most carp over twelve months of the year.
The local ressie near me is a tricky one to fish, the particle brigade have had very few bites in the last 12 months......the lads on a decent boilie have had 90 percent of the stock and repeated so many carp in that time. Why is this?
In reply to Post #35
A guy on my lake last night just said he has had his best winter in 20 odd years... Not using boilies!
A guy on my lake last night just said he has had his best winter in 20 odd years... Not using boilies!
In reply to Post #35
I saw a water ruined by muppets using particle, one lad had a decent result and then every monkey was bucketing it in, loads of it, slowed the fishing right off, virtually killed the boilie fishing and fish captures were very very low
If I use particle it always has a good percentage of what I'm using as a hook bait in it, hole and crushed. I have applied it on some untouched waters and the fish have gone absolutely mental on it, tore all the weed up and reeds, looked like a bomb had gone off
Downside they get preoccupied with it and get a free meal when they want one for me, nothing worse than sat on fish and you can't get a touch
I find it best to fill it in about 4- 5 days before I fish and then fish minimal bait or hookbaits over the spots
I saw a water ruined by muppets using particle, one lad had a decent result and then every monkey was bucketing it in, loads of it, slowed the fishing right off, virtually killed the boilie fishing and fish captures were very very low
If I use particle it always has a good percentage of what I'm using as a hook bait in it, hole and crushed. I have applied it on some untouched waters and the fish have gone absolutely mental on it, tore all the weed up and reeds, looked like a bomb had gone off
Downside they get preoccupied with it and get a free meal when they want one for me, nothing worse than sat on fish and you can't get a touch
I find it best to fill it in about 4- 5 days before I fish and then fish minimal bait or hookbaits over the spots
In reply to Post #36
Maggots ??
Maggots ??
In reply to Post #36
I have had good winters on maggots, zigs, single hookbaits, all of these things will catch carp. The point I am trying to get across is that the sheer numbers of big carp caught across the whole of Europe right now will get caught again and again on a boilie that contains certain elements that sweetcorn and hemp do not!
Pellets came up earlier, well hold on a minute, a pellet is a man made easy to store item that contains the basic nutritional requirements that the Intended species needs to repeatedly eat and prosper, carp love them and gorge on them because............they know they are good for them! A boilie is just one stage further with greater options! I don't want this thread to sound like I'm saying particles are not catchers cos we all know that's not true, but I'm a massive believer that offering the carp attraction and salts or minerals they need but can not easily find on the lakebed, puts me in a better position to catch them in the course of a season. I know that sometimes I should be casting a piece of foam a foot under the surface, or dropping a bag of maggots in front of them. But before and after spawning carp definitely need to replace certain minerals. The nutrition theory has been around a very long time and year on year it works. When I fish I don't ever think that I need to spod a big bed of hemp out to catch loads of carp, I just want to lay the smallest most attractive trap to catch them one at a time and hopefully catch the big buggers! Not everyone thinks like me In fact I have no doubt I am the minority but after keeping carp for so long and watching them feed all year round I know what it is that can make them drop down and feed and also the things that they refuse to eat. A tiger in summer can be brilliant, in winter they are not as effective! A boilie can bridge the gaps that certain other baits cannot.
I have had good winters on maggots, zigs, single hookbaits, all of these things will catch carp. The point I am trying to get across is that the sheer numbers of big carp caught across the whole of Europe right now will get caught again and again on a boilie that contains certain elements that sweetcorn and hemp do not!
Pellets came up earlier, well hold on a minute, a pellet is a man made easy to store item that contains the basic nutritional requirements that the Intended species needs to repeatedly eat and prosper, carp love them and gorge on them because............they know they are good for them! A boilie is just one stage further with greater options! I don't want this thread to sound like I'm saying particles are not catchers cos we all know that's not true, but I'm a massive believer that offering the carp attraction and salts or minerals they need but can not easily find on the lakebed, puts me in a better position to catch them in the course of a season. I know that sometimes I should be casting a piece of foam a foot under the surface, or dropping a bag of maggots in front of them. But before and after spawning carp definitely need to replace certain minerals. The nutrition theory has been around a very long time and year on year it works. When I fish I don't ever think that I need to spod a big bed of hemp out to catch loads of carp, I just want to lay the smallest most attractive trap to catch them one at a time and hopefully catch the big buggers! Not everyone thinks like me In fact I have no doubt I am the minority but after keeping carp for so long and watching them feed all year round I know what it is that can make them drop down and feed and also the things that they refuse to eat. A tiger in summer can be brilliant, in winter they are not as effective! A boilie can bridge the gaps that certain other baits cannot.
In reply to Post #39
Regarding the fact that big carp are getting caught more on boilies than anything else is statistical the only logical outcome. How many anglers solely fish boilies? How many of all use the occasional particles but use boilies as hookbaits? And how many use particles as hookbaits more often than they use boilies?
I think if you fill in these number is just pure logic more carp are caught on boilies and most big carp are caught on boilies.
Regarding the fact that big carp are getting caught more on boilies than anything else is statistical the only logical outcome. How many anglers solely fish boilies? How many of all use the occasional particles but use boilies as hookbaits? And how many use particles as hookbaits more often than they use boilies?
I think if you fill in these number is just pure logic more carp are caught on boilies and most big carp are caught on boilies.
In reply to Post #40
Fair point!
Boilies are a convenient hookbait, to fish over particles or on their own more so as a hookbait, than probably all particles, with the exception of tigers, which may be banned on some waters.
Because of that boilies do account for most fish. They can also be left in place for an 'extended' period of time.
I must admit that I have fished with just particles on a few waters, sweetcorn or maize over Vitalin, where boilies were ignored, but that is a rare one.
I have also fished with boilies alone as using particles attracted too many bream and tench. Carp would feed on just boilies and bream and tench would not. Equally I have piled in the particles and fished boilie over the top.
Fair point!
Boilies are a convenient hookbait, to fish over particles or on their own more so as a hookbait, than probably all particles, with the exception of tigers, which may be banned on some waters.
Because of that boilies do account for most fish. They can also be left in place for an 'extended' period of time.
I must admit that I have fished with just particles on a few waters, sweetcorn or maize over Vitalin, where boilies were ignored, but that is a rare one.
I have also fished with boilies alone as using particles attracted too many bream and tench. Carp would feed on just boilies and bream and tench would not. Equally I have piled in the particles and fished boilie over the top.
In reply to Post #41
Carp know whats good for them , just got to train them
Carp know whats good for them , just got to train them
Do we believe carp can differentiate between baits, particularly fishmeals as they all contain the same ingredients, I've read statements such as " the carp were on the lookout for a particular brand ignoring all others", personally i can't accept this, what are other peoples experience on this
In reply to Post #43
100 percent yes!
I have seen several waters dominated by certain boilies and not because they were used more than another bait. People seem to think it's a volume thing (put loads out and get them on it) but I don't think at all. As I have said on here recently, our local fishery is literately dominated by one bait applied by two lads and I bet they haven't used half the amount of some of the others. The bait they chose has such a good record there (and I think that it's because it's high In salt and calcium and protein) and I reckon they will be top rods again this year.
For whatever reason that bait is effective there! But a good bait is a good bait in my mind!
100 percent yes!
I have seen several waters dominated by certain boilies and not because they were used more than another bait. People seem to think it's a volume thing (put loads out and get them on it) but I don't think at all. As I have said on here recently, our local fishery is literately dominated by one bait applied by two lads and I bet they haven't used half the amount of some of the others. The bait they chose has such a good record there (and I think that it's because it's high In salt and calcium and protein) and I reckon they will be top rods again this year.
For whatever reason that bait is effective there! But a good bait is a good bait in my mind!
In reply to Post #43
Yes!
On Earith I was fishing an homemade version of Trigga, prebaiting with around 2 kilos of boilies a week. Other baits were ignored, including hi-attract hi-vis pop-ups. Even the standard Trigga did not produce as many fish.
Taverham Mills was dominated at one time by New Concepts Mariner mix, to the point that other boilies would not catch. It was only when Brian Hewitt sold New Concepts and moved that other baits started to catch.
Yes!
On Earith I was fishing an homemade version of Trigga, prebaiting with around 2 kilos of boilies a week. Other baits were ignored, including hi-attract hi-vis pop-ups. Even the standard Trigga did not produce as many fish.
Taverham Mills was dominated at one time by New Concepts Mariner mix, to the point that other boilies would not catch. It was only when Brian Hewitt sold New Concepts and moved that other baits started to catch.