The amusing thing about the whole boilie argument is how many great captures have nothing to do with a boiled ball of animal feed by- product. Simon Scott with a handful of corn, Steve Pag with a handful of pellet, Lee J on bread sticks and corn, the Thames 50 on peanuts, the Burghfield fish on tigers over seeds.. the list goes on.
No doubt a well rounded boilie is a good way to feed the fish, and better to put good food in a lake than rubbish. But, can we honestly say that boilies really live up to all the waffle that is punted out there?
It's a £xxxxxxx industry built on faux science, garden shed theory, blanking insecurity, smoke, mirrors and money.
No doubt a well rounded boilie is a good way to feed the fish, and better to put good food in a lake than rubbish. But, can we honestly say that boilies really live up to all the waffle that is punted out there?
It's a £xxxxxxx industry built on faux science, garden shed theory, blanking insecurity, smoke, mirrors and money.
In reply to Post #26
Amen
Amen
In reply to Post #31
I agree with you about the bull. However that is not the boilies fault. The whole modern carp angling scene is built on the arrival of the commercial boilie and the hair rig at about the same time.
Naturals, plastics, meats etc are great baits and have caught many famous fish but boilies and the hair are the foundation the whole money making circus. They made catching carp easy. In 1970 it wasn't.
I agree with you about the bull. However that is not the boilies fault. The whole modern carp angling scene is built on the arrival of the commercial boilie and the hair rig at about the same time.
Naturals, plastics, meats etc are great baits and have caught many famous fish but boilies and the hair are the foundation the whole money making circus. They made catching carp easy. In 1970 it wasn't.
In reply to Post #31
It's a bit off the original topic but boilies were developed to avoid nuisance fish and catch carp. Other baits are great in carp only waters, of which there are many nowadays. However that wasn't the case when they were first made.
It's a bit off the original topic but boilies were developed to avoid nuisance fish and catch carp. Other baits are great in carp only waters, of which there are many nowadays. However that wasn't the case when they were first made.
In reply to Post #31
Good baits are a game changer, I'll stick my neck out here and say it as it is but boilies are the one thing I actually prefer and want to use now
It's the perfect package to avoid other species and send the signals I want to send....... But there is so much junk out there and yes there is so much hype etc that it's hard to see through. When you have confidence in certain baits you won't ever need to look for anything else apart from a zig!
Good baits are a game changer, I'll stick my neck out here and say it as it is but boilies are the one thing I actually prefer and want to use now
It's the perfect package to avoid other species and send the signals I want to send....... But there is so much junk out there and yes there is so much hype etc that it's hard to see through. When you have confidence in certain baits you won't ever need to look for anything else apart from a zig!
In reply to Post #35
Yes
Yes
There is no denying seed, tigers, corn and the like catch a lot of fish and will continue to do so. However when you have a High quality boilie it can really make a difference. It's something I've experienced over the last few years and I would never go back to a bait that costs 6 quid a kilo. The difference has been really noticeable not just on my wallet 😂 but also in my results.
In reply to Post #37
You do know sticky, mainline, etc all cost around that. You just pay markup on it from retailers.
You can get bait at £6 a kilo or less even when buying in bulk from plenty of proven companies.
You do know sticky, mainline, etc all cost around that. You just pay markup on it from retailers.
You can get bait at £6 a kilo or less even when buying in bulk from plenty of proven companies.
In reply to Post #38
Absolutely all depends on what you want in a bait. A £2 bait that retails for £6 or a more expensive bait. I'm happy to pay considerably more for a bait I know is of better quality as I dont want to be fishing the same £6 a kilo stuff everyone else is throwing in.
Absolutely all depends on what you want in a bait. A £2 bait that retails for £6 or a more expensive bait. I'm happy to pay considerably more for a bait I know is of better quality as I dont want to be fishing the same £6 a kilo stuff everyone else is throwing in.
In reply to Post #39
As long as you 100% know it's of a better quality then it makes sense. Only way to do that is to make it yourself though, or by a trusted friend. Otherwise you're solely relying on what someone else is telling you is in it. I'm not quite sure your correct on the whole “of it costs more it's better” thing tbh. The bulk that the likes of mainline buy in, those £11 boilies are costing them very little to make. Which kind of flaws your point. Economies of scale, etc. I could make a £11 a kilo boilie (without Labour) in my garage, mainline could make the same quality in bulk for £3 a kilo due to buying in bulk. Why would one be better than the other?
Like I mentioned previously, a certain shrimp hydro is being sold by multiple brands saying there one is the best and better quality, etc. it's all the same product, decanted from a large container in to small bottles, all being sold at different prices (albeit not by much). The £6 a bottle is the same as the £9 a bottle.
As long as you 100% know it's of a better quality then it makes sense. Only way to do that is to make it yourself though, or by a trusted friend. Otherwise you're solely relying on what someone else is telling you is in it. I'm not quite sure your correct on the whole “of it costs more it's better” thing tbh. The bulk that the likes of mainline buy in, those £11 boilies are costing them very little to make. Which kind of flaws your point. Economies of scale, etc. I could make a £11 a kilo boilie (without Labour) in my garage, mainline could make the same quality in bulk for £3 a kilo due to buying in bulk. Why would one be better than the other?
Like I mentioned previously, a certain shrimp hydro is being sold by multiple brands saying there one is the best and better quality, etc. it's all the same product, decanted from a large container in to small bottles, all being sold at different prices (albeit not by much). The £6 a bottle is the same as the £9 a bottle.
In reply to Post #39
You realise any bait you find in a retail environment is usually made for 25% of the advertised cost?
Expensive doesn't always mean better though, as I have said before there is some right dog poo being peddled for premium prices, - even direct now, one company, whose owner has zero carp bait knowledge, is selling glow in the dark pop ups and a wide range of baits at £11 / kg.
There is baits out there selling for £12 in tackle shops that has so much bread crumb in its recipe it should state hovis on the package.
Unless you've worked with baits, seen what each individual ingredient does in a mix, utilised its individual properties, its also very difficult to look at a recipe and judge if the quality ingredients listed are in there is meaningful amounts. you could put 5g of CPSP90 in there and put it on the label for example.
For the sort of money you're willing to pay for bait you could easily get a recipe rolled for you of your own concoction by any number of firms, if you keep a kilo of the original you'd know if they were "cutting it" and that'd solve the trust crisis
You realise any bait you find in a retail environment is usually made for 25% of the advertised cost?
Expensive doesn't always mean better though, as I have said before there is some right dog poo being peddled for premium prices, - even direct now, one company, whose owner has zero carp bait knowledge, is selling glow in the dark pop ups and a wide range of baits at £11 / kg.
There is baits out there selling for £12 in tackle shops that has so much bread crumb in its recipe it should state hovis on the package.
Unless you've worked with baits, seen what each individual ingredient does in a mix, utilised its individual properties, its also very difficult to look at a recipe and judge if the quality ingredients listed are in there is meaningful amounts. you could put 5g of CPSP90 in there and put it on the label for example.
For the sort of money you're willing to pay for bait you could easily get a recipe rolled for you of your own concoction by any number of firms, if you keep a kilo of the original you'd know if they were "cutting it" and that'd solve the trust crisis
In reply to Post #26
when you first worked on your nut bait you made a point of saying no breadcrumb, and thats a nod to two very prolific purveyors
when you first worked on your nut bait you made a point of saying no breadcrumb, and thats a nod to two very prolific purveyors
In reply to Post #25
No, I just don't have a filter so will say what usually gets said behind closed doors. plus, some of us are privy to info others aren't.
Again, never called hydra k a bad bait just called the krill superior based on ingredients used.
No, I just don't have a filter so will say what usually gets said behind closed doors. plus, some of us are privy to info others aren't.
Again, never called hydra k a bad bait just called the krill superior based on ingredients used.
In reply to Post #41
Unless you've worked with baits, seen what each individual ingredient does in a mix, utilised its individual properties, etc, etc.
Mozzi, I like that explanation a lot.
Perfectly sums up many a bait rollers disaster and success.
As someone once said to me, don't put any ingredient in a bait without purpose, and put it in there in a decent amount to make a difference, otherwise what is the point?
Unless you've worked with baits, seen what each individual ingredient does in a mix, utilised its individual properties, etc, etc.
Mozzi, I like that explanation a lot.
Perfectly sums up many a bait rollers disaster and success.
As someone once said to me, don't put any ingredient in a bait without purpose, and put it in there in a decent amount to make a difference, otherwise what is the point?
In reply to Post #40
If it was the case of mainline and sticky being able to produce the same standard of bait that would cost a home roller or smaller company £11 quid to produce why have my results never indicated that?. Since paying more for my bait my results have been night and day compared to when I was paying £6 quid a kilo. Obviously you need to pick your company very closely as paying more does not always equal a better bait from SOME companies. But it certainly does from others.
If it was the case of mainline and sticky being able to produce the same standard of bait that would cost a home roller or smaller company £11 quid to produce why have my results never indicated that?. Since paying more for my bait my results have been night and day compared to when I was paying £6 quid a kilo. Obviously you need to pick your company very closely as paying more does not always equal a better bait from SOME companies. But it certainly does from others.