In reply to Post #32
I thought JB said he did not rate sweeteners apart from honey, I have a question sorry
when I made baits years ago I always added a low level essential oil, why not another form of attraction , a lable ,
was I thinking right, a 2 pronged attack, with a flavor and other bits, as I want to start making bait again , thanks .
I thought JB said he did not rate sweeteners apart from honey, I have a question sorry
when I made baits years ago I always added a low level essential oil, why not another form of attraction , a lable ,
was I thinking right, a 2 pronged attack, with a flavor and other bits, as I want to start making bait again , thanks .
In reply to Post #33
Are you referring to the podcast I did with him?
If so I took him to mean that he prefers natural sweeteners such as honey over concentrated ones, but still thinks concentrated ones can be effective.
That being said, my memory isn't the best! Especially once I'm a few beers deep.
Either way, experimentation is the key and the only real way of knowing, see what works for you and the particular mix you're working on.
As far as your question re essential oils goes, I don't know what you're asking exactly! Sorry.
Are you referring to the podcast I did with him?
If so I took him to mean that he prefers natural sweeteners such as honey over concentrated ones, but still thinks concentrated ones can be effective.
That being said, my memory isn't the best! Especially once I'm a few beers deep.
Either way, experimentation is the key and the only real way of knowing, see what works for you and the particular mix you're working on.
As far as your question re essential oils goes, I don't know what you're asking exactly! Sorry.
In reply to Post #29
But do receptors really ‘switch off' when they are gill deep in silt and filling their guts with abandon? This theory always struck me as just that over a real life feeding situation when all sorts of attractive stuff is being kicked up all over the place.
But do receptors really ‘switch off' when they are gill deep in silt and filling their guts with abandon? This theory always struck me as just that over a real life feeding situation when all sorts of attractive stuff is being kicked up all over the place.
In reply to Post #35
The question I was asked referred specifically to high concentrations of “sweeteners “ in bait.
If the “ saturation” point of a given chemoreceptor is exceeded then the receptor generally will “switch off”.
In the carp's natural food environment this is unlikely to happen, where the food source, at a given point in time , is “ man made” and certain chemicals/substances have been overloaded, then yes this can happen.
I have seen this occur in quite a few instances where boilie formulations are being evaluated.
You do not really want to have chemicals/substances at a concentration in bait/boilie formulations that can cause this to happen.
The question I was asked referred specifically to high concentrations of “sweeteners “ in bait.
If the “ saturation” point of a given chemoreceptor is exceeded then the receptor generally will “switch off”.
In the carp's natural food environment this is unlikely to happen, where the food source, at a given point in time , is “ man made” and certain chemicals/substances have been overloaded, then yes this can happen.
I have seen this occur in quite a few instances where boilie formulations are being evaluated.
You do not really want to have chemicals/substances at a concentration in bait/boilie formulations that can cause this to happen.
Icing sugar, anyone? 
In reply to Post #34
What I was trying to say is why wouldn't you add a essential oil in a long term food bait, can only help ?
What I was trying to say is why wouldn't you add a essential oil in a long term food bait, can only help ?
In reply to Post #38
Personally I would 👍
Personally I would 👍
In reply to Post #37
A friend of mine uses icing sugar to conserve his baits.
He coats his baits with the icing sugar and his baits can be consevred for a month or 2
A friend of mine uses icing sugar to conserve his baits.
He coats his baits with the icing sugar and his baits can be consevred for a month or 2
In reply to Post #1
I've been fishing years and years with high fishmeal baits. This bait landed me and my friends lots of fish but since a year or 2 I'm combining this high fishmeal baits with a bait based on sugars and carbs.
I can only conclude since introducing this bait I'm triggering/catching different series of fish.
I caught in 1 year a series of that I didn't caught the last 8years.
For me, one and one is 2. Sugars and carbs are have their place and can land you fish that you wouldn't land on a high fishmeal bait
I've been fishing years and years with high fishmeal baits. This bait landed me and my friends lots of fish but since a year or 2 I'm combining this high fishmeal baits with a bait based on sugars and carbs.
I can only conclude since introducing this bait I'm triggering/catching different series of fish.
I caught in 1 year a series of that I didn't caught the last 8years.
For me, one and one is 2. Sugars and carbs are have their place and can land you fish that you wouldn't land on a high fishmeal bait
In reply to Post #36
I can accept that it is less than ideal to have an overload of sugars, surely it would then follow that a few different attractors in a bait is better than one. If one is saturated then others are still attracting. All things used need to be at a low enough or so not to overload.
I'm talking long term bait used in large amounts. Although I bet it would be possible to overload a single pop up in the height of summer if you tried.
I can accept that it is less than ideal to have an overload of sugars, surely it would then follow that a few different attractors in a bait is better than one. If one is saturated then others are still attracting. All things used need to be at a low enough or so not to overload.
I'm talking long term bait used in large amounts. Although I bet it would be possible to overload a single pop up in the height of summer if you tried.
In reply to Post #42
Betaine, I rate it highly
Msg I rate highly
Additives to improve taste I rate highly
Sugars and salts in baits.......I wouldn't make bait without them.
Flavours.........the bit you need to worry about the least in a well made and nutritional boilie.
Many of the fruit palatants we use in bait have sweetners in the make up and they seem to work very well.
Betaine, I rate it highly
Msg I rate highly
Additives to improve taste I rate highly
Sugars and salts in baits.......I wouldn't make bait without them.
Flavours.........the bit you need to worry about the least in a well made and nutritional boilie.
Many of the fruit palatants we use in bait have sweetners in the make up and they seem to work very well.
In reply to Post #42
Yes a good approach, however bear in mind an overload of a particular chemical can also interfere with the “ attractive ability/efficiency “ of other chemicals within the mix.
Yes a good approach, however bear in mind an overload of a particular chemical can also interfere with the “ attractive ability/efficiency “ of other chemicals within the mix.
In reply to Post #26
Hi,
Betaine Hcl is bitter. Do you rate it despite that ?
Hi,
Betaine Hcl is bitter. Do you rate it despite that ?
In reply to Post #39
Thanks, can you od on natural sweetners
Thanks, can you od on natural sweetners
In reply to Post #32
Quote... Has anyone played about with high-grade manuka honey?
Not 'played' with it as such. It's in our GPB1.
Quote... Has anyone played about with high-grade manuka honey?
Not 'played' with it as such. It's in our GPB1.