In reply to Post #28
Fact is in beach and tournament casting the accepted rule was 10lb breaking strain of line for every ounce being cast, in my days the accepted leader for the 150gram with class was 50lb stren but this has I believe increased now. But I can tell you that 0.37 xt undamaged can be snapped on the cast fairly easily with a modern fast taper powerful 13ft rod as the stretch in the line can be taken out farely early in the cast but this is far more difficult with a more progressive through action.
Fact is in beach and tournament casting the accepted rule was 10lb breaking strain of line for every ounce being cast, in my days the accepted leader for the 150gram with class was 50lb stren but this has I believe increased now. But I can tell you that 0.37 xt undamaged can be snapped on the cast fairly easily with a modern fast taper powerful 13ft rod as the stretch in the line can be taken out farely early in the cast but this is far more difficult with a more progressive through action.
In reply to Post #28
We are here to learn
We are here to learn
In reply to Post #28
In reply to Post #31
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
About 30 years ago, if you were using 11lb sylcast, you were using tow rope! I bought 13lb sylcast by accident, and an old dog of a carp angler berated me for my stupidity. Back then no one used anything heavier as it was strictly sea fishing territory.
But, monofilament technology has really come a long way. Daiwa Sensor and Berkeley Big Game are springy as hell, and were notorious for line twist and crack offs; especially if you forgot to walk your line out before casting back out.
ESP had another line, it was gold in colour and that was terrible.
These newer lines have been made with their polymers closer together, giving extra strength and less spring/stretch. They cast a lot better now.
The likes of Sensor and Big Game were found out when casting beyond 90 yards, or when coping with heavy weed. They're still good lines, and will do a job. But, today's lines are a lot better.
Yeah, I see what you're saying.
About 30 years ago, if you were using 11lb sylcast, you were using tow rope! I bought 13lb sylcast by accident, and an old dog of a carp angler berated me for my stupidity. Back then no one used anything heavier as it was strictly sea fishing territory.
But, monofilament technology has really come a long way. Daiwa Sensor and Berkeley Big Game are springy as hell, and were notorious for line twist and crack offs; especially if you forgot to walk your line out before casting back out.
ESP had another line, it was gold in colour and that was terrible.
These newer lines have been made with their polymers closer together, giving extra strength and less spring/stretch. They cast a lot better now.
The likes of Sensor and Big Game were found out when casting beyond 90 yards, or when coping with heavy weed. They're still good lines, and will do a job. But, today's lines are a lot better.
In reply to Post #32
I'm still learning, mate. That's what makes carp fishing so good
I'm still learning, mate. That's what makes carp fishing so good
In reply to Post #35
If you get the opportunity go to a uksf casting tournament and get as close to the casters as possible especially if Danny moeskops is there, its frightening how much power and speed that man can put into a rod blank and I can remember when he arrived on the scene and was snapping century Rods on a fairly regular basis.
If you get the opportunity go to a uksf casting tournament and get as close to the casters as possible especially if Danny moeskops is there, its frightening how much power and speed that man can put into a rod blank and I can remember when he arrived on the scene and was snapping century Rods on a fairly regular basis.
In reply to Post #36
Yeah, these tournament casters are scary 😂
I saw Mark Hutchinson casting on Bradleys lake about 12 years ago and he was putting a bend in a rod that really should've destroyed it.
I came across this guide and it shows how using a 120g lead, which is just above 4oz the minimum line to use is 0.35mm. It's only a guide, but shows that what I was saying earlier, that 0.35mm can cope with a 4oz lead no problem, and 0.37mm shouldn't even be an issue.
It's really surprising how even just one cast, especially with lead clips and leaders can screw up your line, no matter how good it is. If someone crack off, 99.99% of the time, it's because they've done something wrong.
http://sportdemo03.24.testsider.dk/log/pdf/ddbait-download-158.pdf
Yeah, these tournament casters are scary 😂
I saw Mark Hutchinson casting on Bradleys lake about 12 years ago and he was putting a bend in a rod that really should've destroyed it.
I came across this guide and it shows how using a 120g lead, which is just above 4oz the minimum line to use is 0.35mm. It's only a guide, but shows that what I was saying earlier, that 0.35mm can cope with a 4oz lead no problem, and 0.37mm shouldn't even be an issue.
It's really surprising how even just one cast, especially with lead clips and leaders can screw up your line, no matter how good it is. If someone crack off, 99.99% of the time, it's because they've done something wrong.
http://sportdemo03.24.testsider.dk/log/pdf/ddbait-download-158.pdf
In reply to Post #37
Believe me, I'm not tall or a major caster but I've cracked off .35/7mm lines, to say it's impossible without damaged line is ridiculous. It's not other members being argumentative, it's you mate.
The reason leaders are banned is usually because of tethering fish if you're cut off, it's a decent rule.
I should imagine that lead size is limited to reduce crack offs, if the leaders are banned. If you crack off, you're leaving a live rig in the water so it's a knock on effected in regard to the rules.
People talking of Grenvilles owner feeding them out of range so they're not caught... they'll be fed out of range so that no swim or area of the lake becomes the banker spot. Look at the head of fish in there and how many get caught, because he lumps bait out in the middle isn't having any dramatic effect on the fishing. The guys fishing there are fishing there an abnormally, unnaturally stocked and fed lake to catch huge fish, they can't moan about those fish being fed, otherwise they just wouldn't be the size they are. Double edged sword.
Believe me, I'm not tall or a major caster but I've cracked off .35/7mm lines, to say it's impossible without damaged line is ridiculous. It's not other members being argumentative, it's you mate.
The reason leaders are banned is usually because of tethering fish if you're cut off, it's a decent rule.
I should imagine that lead size is limited to reduce crack offs, if the leaders are banned. If you crack off, you're leaving a live rig in the water so it's a knock on effected in regard to the rules.
People talking of Grenvilles owner feeding them out of range so they're not caught... they'll be fed out of range so that no swim or area of the lake becomes the banker spot. Look at the head of fish in there and how many get caught, because he lumps bait out in the middle isn't having any dramatic effect on the fishing. The guys fishing there are fishing there an abnormally, unnaturally stocked and fed lake to catch huge fish, they can't moan about those fish being fed, otherwise they just wouldn't be the size they are. Double edged sword.
In reply to Post #38
Call me argumentative if you like, mate. But, the fact of the matter is, if you've cracked off with 0.37mm it's because you've screwed up, simple as. It's either line twist, or line damage, which as an angler you can sort out.
It's not the product's fault, it's yours
Call me argumentative if you like, mate. But, the fact of the matter is, if you've cracked off with 0.37mm it's because you've screwed up, simple as. It's either line twist, or line damage, which as an angler you can sort out.
It's not the product's fault, it's yours
It's just science.
F = MA
Most carp anglers are terrible casters. So the “A” is low, If a fishery owner reduces the “M” then crack-offs become very much less likely.
They could keep the”M” the same and increase line strength or diameter of line but that increases the risks of tethering.
F = MA
Most carp anglers are terrible casters. So the “A” is low, If a fishery owner reduces the “M” then crack-offs become very much less likely.
They could keep the”M” the same and increase line strength or diameter of line but that increases the risks of tethering.
In reply to Post #40
Really?
It's too hot mate 😂
Really?
It's too hot mate 😂
In reply to Post #28
The convenience of you ‘working in a factory' reminds me of the chap who backed himself into a similar corner and suddenly had been competitive casting and tutoring since 1912
The convenience of you ‘working in a factory' reminds me of the chap who backed himself into a similar corner and suddenly had been competitive casting and tutoring since 1912
In reply to Post #39
Er No! Damage may have occurred but it is not always the case.
I check my line, as I put it on the spool and regularly during and after sessions. I don't get line twist as I don't play fish off the clutch and allow massive amounts of line out on the baitrunner.
I have been known to crack off 0.40mm mono with a big cast.
The very reason I used 40/50lb Drennan Greased Weasel or 30lb Amnesia as a shockleader for long distance casting.
I remember Rob Maylin was using 4oz leads for casting on a lake, BUT, from memory there was no long distances involved.
I think as with everything in a lead size limit we are looking at the idiot factor.
You really do not want somebody trying to blast a big lead a long way, that simple.
Er No! Damage may have occurred but it is not always the case.
I check my line, as I put it on the spool and regularly during and after sessions. I don't get line twist as I don't play fish off the clutch and allow massive amounts of line out on the baitrunner.
I have been known to crack off 0.40mm mono with a big cast.
The very reason I used 40/50lb Drennan Greased Weasel or 30lb Amnesia as a shockleader for long distance casting.
I remember Rob Maylin was using 4oz leads for casting on a lake, BUT, from memory there was no long distances involved.
I think as with everything in a lead size limit we are looking at the idiot factor.
You really do not want somebody trying to blast a big lead a long way, that simple.
In reply to Post #38
He's only been on here 8 weeks and already telling everyone they are wrong and he's right on just about every thread he's posted
Don't think he's going to last long
He's only been on here 8 weeks and already telling everyone they are wrong and he's right on just about every thread he's posted
Don't think he's going to last long
In reply to Post #43
Don't bother trying to get through to him Nick he won't listen and thinks he's knows best
Don't bother trying to get through to him Nick he won't listen and thinks he's knows best