In reply to Post #16
I'm sure i have two full bottles of the richworth double strength tutti flavour in my shed untouched.
Remember buying them when they said they were closing or stopping selling it
I'm sure i have two full bottles of the richworth double strength tutti flavour in my shed untouched.
Remember buying them when they said they were closing or stopping selling it
In reply to Post #16
Proven catchers, but Different strength liquids
Solar E12 dosage was 1-3ml per 1lb
Richworths Tutti was 3-5ml per 1lb mix, so what was that diluted down with..... did it make any difference, or better ?
Proven catchers, but Different strength liquids
Solar E12 dosage was 1-3ml per 1lb
Richworths Tutti was 3-5ml per 1lb mix, so what was that diluted down with..... did it make any difference, or better ?
In reply to Post #8
re: "I'd hazard a guess that it was written down at some point. "
That goes without saying!
re: "I'd hazard a guess that it was written down at some point. "
That goes without saying!
In reply to Post #14
re: " What an odd thing to say! "
NOT at all, the following is a business fact: "Trade Secrets"
The original richworth baits tutti frutti flavour supplied by Bob at RD Campbell - the recipe would of been a "Trade Secret"
[A trade secret is a form of intellectual property (IP) comprising confidential information that is not generally known or readily ascertainable, derives economic value from its secrecy, and is protected by reasonable efforts to maintain its confidentiality.]
Do ya think Bob would have shared that recipe information with others/competition?
YOU state you have the *original recipe* really curious ...please do state how you came about it, cheers!
re: " What an odd thing to say! "
NOT at all, the following is a business fact: "Trade Secrets"
The original richworth baits tutti frutti flavour supplied by Bob at RD Campbell - the recipe would of been a "Trade Secret"
[A trade secret is a form of intellectual property (IP) comprising confidential information that is not generally known or readily ascertainable, derives economic value from its secrecy, and is protected by reasonable efforts to maintain its confidentiality.]
Do ya think Bob would have shared that recipe information with others/competition?
YOU state you have the *original recipe* really curious ...please do state how you came about it, cheers!
In reply to Post #20
Why so angry
Why so angry
In reply to Post #20
When Plantex bought Campbells, the sale would include those IP rights.
When Mistral bought Richworth, the same applies
If Hinders and Optibaits have the same simple recipe too, there's no "Trade secret" at all.
When Plantex bought Campbells, the sale would include those IP rights.
When Mistral bought Richworth, the same applies
If Hinders and Optibaits have the same simple recipe too, there's no "Trade secret" at all.
In reply to Post #20
Did you ever deal with Bob? He was a great guy and blended a couple of flavours for me back in the day. One was a copy of a now unavailable flavour and the other was 'unqiue' to me, based on another known good flavour with a few tweaks.
Despite having a business and using gallons of the stuff I never got the IP from him for 'my' flavour, never even crossed my mind in such a small industry with tight profit margins. Back then fishing was a small part of what he did. Before that when the original tutti flavour was produced it was and even smaller industry and I very much doubt full IP implications were considered at that time. Richworth kept the recipes private but things get out.
One guy already mentioned in this thread worked with Bob. He has also worked for some other large bait companies at quiet a high level. I am 99.9% certain he has the original recipe. It might even be in his book (or is that Scopex he listed?) but that is at home and I can't be bothered to check as its a pointless argument.
The 'original' tutti flavour is available from several sources that I know of, Sam at Optibaits has no doubt done his homework and knows what he is getting/selling
Did you ever deal with Bob? He was a great guy and blended a couple of flavours for me back in the day. One was a copy of a now unavailable flavour and the other was 'unqiue' to me, based on another known good flavour with a few tweaks.
Despite having a business and using gallons of the stuff I never got the IP from him for 'my' flavour, never even crossed my mind in such a small industry with tight profit margins. Back then fishing was a small part of what he did. Before that when the original tutti flavour was produced it was and even smaller industry and I very much doubt full IP implications were considered at that time. Richworth kept the recipes private but things get out.
One guy already mentioned in this thread worked with Bob. He has also worked for some other large bait companies at quiet a high level. I am 99.9% certain he has the original recipe. It might even be in his book (or is that Scopex he listed?) but that is at home and I can't be bothered to check as its a pointless argument.
The 'original' tutti flavour is available from several sources that I know of, Sam at Optibaits has no doubt done his homework and knows what he is getting/selling
In reply to Post #23
It was Scopex.
It was Scopex.
What is amusing about this thread is that although Bob Campbell did supply the very first flavourings to Richworth he NEVER supplied them with Tutti Frutti. This information was direct from Bob himself. He did later produce his own version of TF when it became popular but admitted that he could not make an exact copy.
In reply to Post #25
The plot thickens
I really wanted it to only be a closely guarded secret, written down only on parchment and kept in a leather bound padlocked book... maintained by a shadowy underground cult and shown to those bait makers who have proved themselves worth.... like Sam.
The plot thickens
I really wanted it to only be a closely guarded secret, written down only on parchment and kept in a leather bound padlocked book... maintained by a shadowy underground cult and shown to those bait makers who have proved themselves worth.... like Sam.
In reply to Post #26
Sounds like the making of a Dan brown novel..
Sounds like the making of a Dan brown novel..
In reply to Post #26
I feel for you!
I binned my collection of artificial flavourings over ten years ago. They are nothing but smoke and mirrors. Absolutely pointless. Sniffing them does seem to make many anglers happy though! It's a great pity the carp cannot appreciate an airborne odour too!
Fish get caught despite them, not because of them.
I feel for you!
I binned my collection of artificial flavourings over ten years ago. They are nothing but smoke and mirrors. Absolutely pointless. Sniffing them does seem to make many anglers happy though! It's a great pity the carp cannot appreciate an airborne odour too!
Fish get caught despite them, not because of them.
In reply to Post #15
Hi Andy.
I'm not sure what you're exactly asking here- “what levels down do you flavour houses/guys/companies have to go for the recipie?”.
If you're asking what quantities I make/have made up it all depends upon the flavour in question. Personally I am fanatical on freshness so I tend to do smaller batches than others. Yes it makes it more expensive but as always- quality over profit.
I make up some flavours completely by myself, one ingredient at a time, and other flavours I have made up by a flavour house and then put my own spin on them (which is also what John Baker does, and we use the same flavour house).
Hi Andy.
I'm not sure what you're exactly asking here- “what levels down do you flavour houses/guys/companies have to go for the recipie?”.
If you're asking what quantities I make/have made up it all depends upon the flavour in question. Personally I am fanatical on freshness so I tend to do smaller batches than others. Yes it makes it more expensive but as always- quality over profit.
I make up some flavours completely by myself, one ingredient at a time, and other flavours I have made up by a flavour house and then put my own spin on them (which is also what John Baker does, and we use the same flavour house).
Hi Sexonlegs.
There's numerous ways that an old flavour recipe can be acquired, I've done it a few different ways with different flavours but I'd rather not go in to specifics for each of them for obvious reasons (may or may not involve option 4).
Here are a few options for you-
1. You could get the flavour analysed and receive a full report of the substances held within. You can then replicate the flavour on your own by buying all the ingredients and mixing yourself or you could go to a flavour house and pay them to make it for you. You really need the flavour you're testing to be as fresh as possible for best results.
2. You could buy the recipe.
3. You could be lucky enough to be given the recipe.
4. You could break out your ninja outfit and infiltrate the building in which the mysterious recipe book of legendary flavours is housed, being sure to bypass the rigorous security steps the flavour overlords have put in place.
Their first defence is a high fence laced with TMA, cadaverine and putrescine, but before tackling this you need to think forward to what's waiting on the other side- big **** off dogs trained in the depths of Essex to rip arms out of sockets. You can either feed them off or bypass all of this by utilising my preferred method- get your mate to fly a plane overhead and parachute down on to the top of the building. Forget using a helicopter, they are far too obvious as they operate at a lower altitude. Once on the roof of the building simply (and quietly) cut a hole in the roof big enough to fit through and abseil down to the promised land. Be sure to navigate the lasers and you're golden
There's numerous ways that an old flavour recipe can be acquired, I've done it a few different ways with different flavours but I'd rather not go in to specifics for each of them for obvious reasons (may or may not involve option 4).
Here are a few options for you-
1. You could get the flavour analysed and receive a full report of the substances held within. You can then replicate the flavour on your own by buying all the ingredients and mixing yourself or you could go to a flavour house and pay them to make it for you. You really need the flavour you're testing to be as fresh as possible for best results.
2. You could buy the recipe.
3. You could be lucky enough to be given the recipe.
4. You could break out your ninja outfit and infiltrate the building in which the mysterious recipe book of legendary flavours is housed, being sure to bypass the rigorous security steps the flavour overlords have put in place.
Their first defence is a high fence laced with TMA, cadaverine and putrescine, but before tackling this you need to think forward to what's waiting on the other side- big **** off dogs trained in the depths of Essex to rip arms out of sockets. You can either feed them off or bypass all of this by utilising my preferred method- get your mate to fly a plane overhead and parachute down on to the top of the building. Forget using a helicopter, they are far too obvious as they operate at a lower altitude. Once on the roof of the building simply (and quietly) cut a hole in the roof big enough to fit through and abseil down to the promised land. Be sure to navigate the lasers and you're golden
In reply to Post #30
hey Sam,
I didn't really word it that well on reflection, it was an offhand curiosity... when you read about you flavour guys "making up a batch" I was wondering how many different components do you have to assemble generally.
Obviously it depends on the flavour, but talking about the tutti-frutti (without givng too many secrets away), are you assembling different existing fruit flavours or are you assembling say dozens of the chemicals or ingredients.
hey Sam,
I didn't really word it that well on reflection, it was an offhand curiosity... when you read about you flavour guys "making up a batch" I was wondering how many different components do you have to assemble generally.
Obviously it depends on the flavour, but talking about the tutti-frutti (without givng too many secrets away), are you assembling different existing fruit flavours or are you assembling say dozens of the chemicals or ingredients.