In reply to Post #16
Apparently it's illegal to even make a bait from the signals for use in UK waters. Something to do with viable genes entering the ecosystem or something like that.
Apparently it's illegal to even make a bait from the signals for use in UK waters. Something to do with viable genes entering the ecosystem or something like that.
In reply to Post #21
Are we talking dried meal here? If so, obviously not aimed at you:-) while I can believe the ridiculousness of that, ie, better to let them keep destroying our native species while protecting the signals with red tape, I cant see how a properly processed dry meal could do that.
If that were the argument how could any none native meal be used.
Its about time RS lost their protection. Yes there's a argument Whites may be caught in the crossfire but if reds are prevalent in the particular water the proof is already there that they won't be for long. Unbelievable the inaction on RS
Are we talking dried meal here? If so, obviously not aimed at you:-) while I can believe the ridiculousness of that, ie, better to let them keep destroying our native species while protecting the signals with red tape, I cant see how a properly processed dry meal could do that.
If that were the argument how could any none native meal be used.
Its about time RS lost their protection. Yes there's a argument Whites may be caught in the crossfire but if reds are prevalent in the particular water the proof is already there that they won't be for long. Unbelievable the inaction on RS
In reply to Post #22
Not sure what protections you're on about tbh. If you find signal crayfish you can kill them and it's illegal to put them back in a waterbody if it's out of one. Trapping licenses are free as well. Hardly protected.
The thing about not using crayfish products in bait (or anything else) is a bit of a myth. Loads of bait companies use crayfish meals and products in bait. They are properly processed products as you say. I don't personally know the origins of those products but regardless they are useable. The law applies to make sure products are processed properly before use. Basically you can't go catch a load, crush them up and throw them in as bait.
Not sure what protections you're on about tbh. If you find signal crayfish you can kill them and it's illegal to put them back in a waterbody if it's out of one. Trapping licenses are free as well. Hardly protected.
The thing about not using crayfish products in bait (or anything else) is a bit of a myth. Loads of bait companies use crayfish meals and products in bait. They are properly processed products as you say. I don't personally know the origins of those products but regardless they are useable. The law applies to make sure products are processed properly before use. Basically you can't go catch a load, crush them up and throw them in as bait.
In reply to Post #23
Have things changed then re getting licenses free or otherwise
Its been about 20 years since I was in any way in the loop but they didn't give licences out easily, in fact they made it very difficult anywhere near a river, in case of the presence of native whites.
I do hope it's now easier, I'd love a license myself, very tasty. On a water that shall remain nameless finding their burrows then using a mirror to temporarily blind them while you grabbed them yielded a lovely snack, once purged in a ner for a bit
Have things changed then re getting licenses free or otherwise
Its been about 20 years since I was in any way in the loop but they didn't give licences out easily, in fact they made it very difficult anywhere near a river, in case of the presence of native whites.
I do hope it's now easier, I'd love a license myself, very tasty. On a water that shall remain nameless finding their burrows then using a mirror to temporarily blind them while you grabbed them yielded a lovely snack, once purged in a ner for a bit
In reply to Post #24
yes they have made it easier to get a license due to the issues they are causing.
Having thought further on the use of crayfish products I can imagine that the main issue is that if commercialised to that extent then they are always needed to make product, meaning people will retain populations instead of eradicating them. The reason they are here in the first place and in many waterbodies. Which makes sense, no one sets up a business with a limited lifespan, you want longevity. Not that I believe you'll ever get rid of them though, no matter what you do.
yes they have made it easier to get a license due to the issues they are causing.
Having thought further on the use of crayfish products I can imagine that the main issue is that if commercialised to that extent then they are always needed to make product, meaning people will retain populations instead of eradicating them. The reason they are here in the first place and in many waterbodies. Which makes sense, no one sets up a business with a limited lifespan, you want longevity. Not that I believe you'll ever get rid of them though, no matter what you do.
Wasn't the key cray stopped due to price or issues maintaining the level they needed
In reply to Post #25
yes they have made it easier to get a license due to the issues they are causing.
Thanks, might look into that
I'm still sceptical, common sense prevailing in less than 20 years
Edit, chap on my syndicate used to catch/hold to purge then sell on to local restaurants (licensed). I mentioned that to the guys that run Baden Hall about 7 years ago, I wonder if they took it up, some Lobsters in there :-0
yes they have made it easier to get a license due to the issues they are causing.
Thanks, might look into that
I'm still sceptical, common sense prevailing in less than 20 years
Edit, chap on my syndicate used to catch/hold to purge then sell on to local restaurants (licensed). I mentioned that to the guys that run Baden Hall about 7 years ago, I wonder if they took it up, some Lobsters in there :-0
In reply to Post #28
They did JP, the last time I went which was about 4 or 5 years ago, a guy had set up traps and attached them to hi viz bottles so they were easy to find and empty. For me, the rats were worse than the crays.
They did JP, the last time I went which was about 4 or 5 years ago, a guy had set up traps and attached them to hi viz bottles so they were easy to find and empty. For me, the rats were worse than the crays.
In reply to Post #28
I used to know a guy that did the same, got £12/kg in the local restaurants! A lot of effort goes with it but well worth doing for a few quid. Even with this though, you handpick the bigger ones and the smaller ones go back to grow, which isnt eradicating them.
Unless you drain a lake and find every last one you have no chance of ridding the lake of them.
I used to know a guy that did the same, got £12/kg in the local restaurants! A lot of effort goes with it but well worth doing for a few quid. Even with this though, you handpick the bigger ones and the smaller ones go back to grow, which isnt eradicating them.
Unless you drain a lake and find every last one you have no chance of ridding the lake of them.
In reply to Post #29
Oh, good stuff now did the farm manager I talked to get a big wedge in his pay packet or do you reckon my commission is stil waiting for me
@Greekskii, there's a good little business there, not much outlay really, could be doing the water owners and the waterways a great service
Oh, good stuff
now did the farm manager I talked to get a big wedge in his pay packet or do you reckon my commission is stil waiting for me @Greekskii, there's a good little business there, not much outlay really, could be doing the water owners and the waterways a great service
In reply to Post #25
yes they have made it easier to get a license due to the issues they are causing.
Not for the individual they haven't by the looks of it, did you mean business? I can't see why average Joe Bloggs with half a ounce of intelligence can't trap now, just silly :-(
As I said before, protecting the red with the excuse of the white.
You must not transport or take live crayfish away from the location you caught them. There are 2 exceptions to this:
1. If you have a licence, for example, to keep live crayfish for commercial processing on your premises in England
2. If you have a permit to keep live specimens for research or conservation in England and Wales
And on the traps
have an entrance no more than 95mm wide (unless fitted with an otter guard)
Imagine bringing your trap up with a Otter
yes they have made it easier to get a license due to the issues they are causing.
Not for the individual they haven't by the looks of it, did you mean business? I can't see why average Joe Bloggs with half a ounce of intelligence can't trap now, just silly :-(
As I said before, protecting the red with the excuse of the white.
You must not transport or take live crayfish away from the location you caught them. There are 2 exceptions to this:
1. If you have a licence, for example, to keep live crayfish for commercial processing on your premises in England
2. If you have a permit to keep live specimens for research or conservation in England and Wales
And on the traps
have an entrance no more than 95mm wide (unless fitted with an otter guard)
Imagine bringing your trap up with a Otter
In reply to Post #32
Key words in there is live. It says you can't KEEP LIVE crayfish without a proper license. So taking away to purge. Apparently you only need written consent from the EA (no explanation on how to get it) to trap and remove which means trap and kill non native crays.
The reason for their spread was commercial businesses populating lakes and ponds to sustain their business, at the time all unlicensed. Now they want to keep tabs.
Key words in there is live. It says you can't KEEP LIVE crayfish without a proper license. So taking away to purge. Apparently you only need written consent from the EA (no explanation on how to get it) to trap and remove which means trap and kill non native crays.
The reason for their spread was commercial businesses populating lakes and ponds to sustain their business, at the time all unlicensed. Now they want to keep tabs.
In reply to Post #33
I think we're talking at cross purposes. Crays taste like crap unless they are purged (so they pass any food in their intestinal tract) and cleaned with fresh running water for several hours to rid the clay/soil taste from their flesh.
I read that as Joe Blogs can't take live RS from the source (ie the river) to his home to do that, (unless its a commercial business).
Why would you want to take dead RS home if they taste crap, what am I missing? Is there a different meaning to purge, US V UK?
I think we're talking at cross purposes. Crays taste like crap unless they are purged (so they pass any food in their intestinal tract) and cleaned with fresh running water for several hours to rid the clay/soil taste from their flesh.
I read that as Joe Blogs can't take live RS from the source (ie the river) to his home to do that, (unless its a commercial business).
Why would you want to take dead RS home if they taste crap, what am I missing? Is there a different meaning to purge, US V UK?
In reply to Post #34
No you're right. I'm saying you can trap and kill them on the bank without issue. So they don't have any protections.
Think we are talking at it from the different angles. Keeping them is under license so those that do it are commercial and regulated to stop the spread of them. In an ideal world that makes sense.
Taking them away dead I guess you can make crayfish meal, etc. although not sure if they'd need purging for that or not to be useful.
Any Joe bloggs can trap and kill for the purpose of just getting rid of them. I can imagine loads goes on unlicensed in terms of selling them.
No you're right. I'm saying you can trap and kill them on the bank without issue. So they don't have any protections.
Think we are talking at it from the different angles. Keeping them is under license so those that do it are commercial and regulated to stop the spread of them. In an ideal world that makes sense.
Taking them away dead I guess you can make crayfish meal, etc. although not sure if they'd need purging for that or not to be useful.
Any Joe bloggs can trap and kill for the purpose of just getting rid of them. I can imagine loads goes on unlicensed in terms of selling them.
In reply to Post #30
The Yanks thought the passenger pigeon was an inexhaustible source of food. It's now extinct.
The Yanks thought the passenger pigeon was an inexhaustible source of food. It's now extinct.