In reply to Post #13
I bought a set of the new Fox Mini Micron X alarms for some iffy fishing and use them for everything now. Great receiver range, volume, tone and sensitivity adjustment. They are nice and small, cheap enough and have been reliable.
Hated the ATTs I had as got false beeps all night while the weed dropped back but others love them so horses for courses.
I bought a set of the new Fox Mini Micron X alarms for some iffy fishing and use them for everything now. Great receiver range, volume, tone and sensitivity adjustment. They are nice and small, cheap enough and have been reliable.
Hated the ATTs I had as got false beeps all night while the weed dropped back but others love them so horses for courses.
ATTs are good but obviously if your receiver breaks they're useless.
and that's why I couldn't live with them, the insecurity of the 'what if', never happened...but you never know, start of a week long trip abroad, just not worth it.
and that's why I couldn't live with them, the insecurity of the 'what if', never happened...but you never know, start of a week long trip abroad, just not worth it.
In reply to Post #15
Thank you.
Thank you.
In reply to Post #16
Fox Micron X and normal Microns. Brilliant alarms...
Three X for my bivvy up fishing when using a bedchair. Two Microns for day fishing or short nights on a chair, and another two Microns for my barbel set up.
Fox Micron X and normal Microns. Brilliant alarms...
Three X for my bivvy up fishing when using a bedchair. Two Microns for day fishing or short nights on a chair, and another two Microns for my barbel set up.
In reply to Post #16
TBH I bought a set of ATTs went on a 2 week french trip on a really hard water with very big fish in
second week they cost me a fish when the braid went down the side of the roller and the alarm never went off the clicking of the bait runner woke me by then the fish was past the island and went round it
I drove to decathlon and bought 3 cheap Michelin alarms and sold the ATTs as soon as I got home
people have to ponce about changing the wheels on them for sensitivity adjustment I would not have a set for free
but lots of people love em
TBH I bought a set of ATTs went on a 2 week french trip on a really hard water with very big fish in
second week they cost me a fish when the braid went down the side of the roller and the alarm never went off the clicking of the bait runner woke me by then the fish was past the island and went round it
I drove to decathlon and bought 3 cheap Michelin alarms and sold the ATTs as soon as I got home
people have to ponce about changing the wheels on them for sensitivity adjustment I would not have a set for free
but lots of people love em
For years, used my stainless steel Nash alarms, and my fishing was good.
I then decided to buy a set of ATTX and my fishing went downhill with less fish gracing the bank.
I read an article by Rob Hughes in his underwater series and he would mention how he could hear an alarm go off underwater when he moved the lead etc
That article stuck in my mind for a very long time.
Eventually I dug out my Nash stainless alarms to try again based on the fact that I believed the high pitch alarm had been making the fish panic and bolt off.
Surprise, surprise, my catch rate went back up.
So I have never used my ATTX since. I think the Nash alarms were converting a lot of those little twitches into full blown runs the moment it moved the lead.
Plus, I never liked the way the way ATTX,'s , worked, if you got a small twitch and the alarm went off and you was not looking at your rods, by the time the alarm had gone off and you looked at your rods, all movement of the indicators etc had happened, the wake up time of the receiver was too slow.
With the Nash stainless, the beep and movement of the indicator was instantaneous and you could look at the rod to see the indicator moving either up or down if it was as just a tiny twitch that never developed into a full blown run.
I
I then decided to buy a set of ATTX and my fishing went downhill with less fish gracing the bank.
I read an article by Rob Hughes in his underwater series and he would mention how he could hear an alarm go off underwater when he moved the lead etc
That article stuck in my mind for a very long time.
Eventually I dug out my Nash stainless alarms to try again based on the fact that I believed the high pitch alarm had been making the fish panic and bolt off.
Surprise, surprise, my catch rate went back up.
So I have never used my ATTX since. I think the Nash alarms were converting a lot of those little twitches into full blown runs the moment it moved the lead.
Plus, I never liked the way the way ATTX,'s , worked, if you got a small twitch and the alarm went off and you was not looking at your rods, by the time the alarm had gone off and you looked at your rods, all movement of the indicators etc had happened, the wake up time of the receiver was too slow.
With the Nash stainless, the beep and movement of the indicator was instantaneous and you could look at the rod to see the indicator moving either up or down if it was as just a tiny twitch that never developed into a full blown run.
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In reply to Post #21
That's interesting. Wonder if anyone else has experienced this
That's interesting. Wonder if anyone else has experienced this
In reply to Post #1
I had ATTs a few years ago but i ended up selling them. Admittedly they were very reliable but I didn't like the fact that you couldn't change the sensitivity. The standard wheel was to insensitive for me most of the time, but if a big wind gets up and you want to change back to it it's a real pain especially in the middle of the night. The other problem I had was that the illuminated wheel wasn't very bright and I struggled to see it in sunny weather. Like others have said there's always the possibility that the receiver could pack up and leave you with no working alarms.
I had ATTs a few years ago but i ended up selling them. Admittedly they were very reliable but I didn't like the fact that you couldn't change the sensitivity. The standard wheel was to insensitive for me most of the time, but if a big wind gets up and you want to change back to it it's a real pain especially in the middle of the night. The other problem I had was that the illuminated wheel wasn't very bright and I struggled to see it in sunny weather. Like others have said there's always the possibility that the receiver could pack up and leave you with no working alarms.
In reply to Post #21
Having caught fish from busy park lakes especially one particular lake where others have caught during raves and full blown firework displays, the idea that a single bleep off an alarm 80 yards away has an effect is the biggest load of **** i've ever heard.
That isn't a reflection on you, more on those who have spent their "careers" selling bro-science and snake oil then using a few captures in a magazine article as justification for their theories.
Many people stick bright yellow pop ups over the top of green teflon hooks "incase the sun shines off the hook"
Right, that's enough internet for the day....
Having caught fish from busy park lakes especially one particular lake where others have caught during raves and full blown firework displays, the idea that a single bleep off an alarm 80 yards away has an effect is the biggest load of **** i've ever heard.
That isn't a reflection on you, more on those who have spent their "careers" selling bro-science and snake oil then using a few captures in a magazine article as justification for their theories.
Many people stick bright yellow pop ups over the top of green teflon hooks "incase the sun shines off the hook"
Right, that's enough internet for the day....
In reply to Post #24
Some interesting views and opinions, last alarms were original TLB's chuffing load!! Reason for silent heads are more the location rather than fish related
Thanks again
Some interesting views and opinions, last alarms were original TLB's chuffing load!! Reason for silent heads are more the location rather than fish related
Thanks again
In reply to Post #24
>>>> where others have caught during raves and full blown firework displays, the idea that a single bleep off an alarm 80 yards away is the biggest load of **** i've ever heard.<<<<
Who's talking about waters that have fireworks and raves which may drown out bankside anglers noises, but will not stop you catching fish because they cannot hear an alarm go off?
Also bear in mind, sound travels about 4 times faster and further underwater and also a lot louder.
Also bear in mind if your tight lining, the sound has an ideal medium to pass down from alarm down into the water to the lead. Did you never do the string and tin cans experiment at school to show how sound can pass down the string by talking into one can and someone at the other end a good distance away can hear you talking?
And we are talking about mainly Carp detecting the sound underwater and their senses which are probably more attuned to detecting sound underwater. And sound in water is vibrations, and we all know how good carp are at detecting vibrations
Have you ever stood at the end of a very long pond about 300 yards on a hot summers day when the fish are just below the surface. And someone at the car park at one end shuts their car door or boot loudly, a ripple of fish, silvers, carp etc swirling starts at the car park end and like a mexican wave passes down the pond with fish swirling as the sound wave passes down the pond through the water. And If your floater fishing and some jerk does it, it can ruin your fishing till the fish return to the surface again.
Have you not been in a swimming pool underwater, and you can hear all the racket kids etc make, you can not make out individual voices, but its just a loud racket.
Never discount anything.
>>>> where others have caught during raves and full blown firework displays, the idea that a single bleep off an alarm 80 yards away is the biggest load of **** i've ever heard.<<<<
Who's talking about waters that have fireworks and raves which may drown out bankside anglers noises, but will not stop you catching fish because they cannot hear an alarm go off?
Also bear in mind, sound travels about 4 times faster and further underwater and also a lot louder.
Also bear in mind if your tight lining, the sound has an ideal medium to pass down from alarm down into the water to the lead. Did you never do the string and tin cans experiment at school to show how sound can pass down the string by talking into one can and someone at the other end a good distance away can hear you talking?
And we are talking about mainly Carp detecting the sound underwater and their senses which are probably more attuned to detecting sound underwater. And sound in water is vibrations, and we all know how good carp are at detecting vibrations
Have you ever stood at the end of a very long pond about 300 yards on a hot summers day when the fish are just below the surface. And someone at the car park at one end shuts their car door or boot loudly, a ripple of fish, silvers, carp etc swirling starts at the car park end and like a mexican wave passes down the pond with fish swirling as the sound wave passes down the pond through the water. And If your floater fishing and some jerk does it, it can ruin your fishing till the fish return to the surface again.
Have you not been in a swimming pool underwater, and you can hear all the racket kids etc make, you can not make out individual voices, but its just a loud racket.
Never discount anything.
The comments about unreliability of the receiver - from people who don't actually own them - does amuse me. Read my previous post - 10 years, not a single issue with the receiver. It's flawless. As for line getting down the side of the roller, well.....that's user error. Once it's on the roller, it's not going to slip off. Bottom line is, based on the OP's list of requirements, nothing is more suitable than ATT's.
To the OP, plenty of choice for alarms, Gardner Att system, Delkim TXI'D to name just two.
As for the comments about sound underwater, as Zack has said, underwater sound travels at around 1500metres per second, 6000m per second in a solid, compared to around 330m per second in air, and NO I didn't need to Google that.
I agree with some of his comments, but not all of them, but most definitely agree that sound can spook fish, however I'm not convinced one way or the other about sound from the alarm head, but it is plausible, possible and maybe Mythbusters need to investigate.
The sound from the speaker is coming from the speaker into air, and onto a solid, as sound AND vibration which may add another element. However, unless you are getting false bleeps, by the time the sound happens, fish is hooked, or should be, and running.
Simple answer, back to OP, soundless heads, sound at receiver.
The point about fireworks etc, both ways, some fish it might spook, others it might not. I remember fishing Taverham years ago on the night of the Costessey firework Show in November, at Taverham the ground shook, loud bangs, vibration, yet just after it finished I had one of my favourite Leney fully scaleds.
As for the comments about sound underwater, as Zack has said, underwater sound travels at around 1500metres per second, 6000m per second in a solid, compared to around 330m per second in air, and NO I didn't need to Google that.
I agree with some of his comments, but not all of them, but most definitely agree that sound can spook fish, however I'm not convinced one way or the other about sound from the alarm head, but it is plausible, possible and maybe Mythbusters need to investigate.
The sound from the speaker is coming from the speaker into air, and onto a solid, as sound AND vibration which may add another element. However, unless you are getting false bleeps, by the time the sound happens, fish is hooked, or should be, and running.
Simple answer, back to OP, soundless heads, sound at receiver.
The point about fireworks etc, both ways, some fish it might spook, others it might not. I remember fishing Taverham years ago on the night of the Costessey firework Show in November, at Taverham the ground shook, loud bangs, vibration, yet just after it finished I had one of my favourite Leney fully scaleds.
In reply to Post #26
Totally agree that those elements exist, but I doubt the fish can specifically correlate the sound of a bite alarm to being fished for. I very much doubt fish have the intelligence to put two and two together or recognise specific sounds and identify its origin.
We have the ability to recognise underwater the sound of a car door slamming compared to the sound of a balloon popping because of our complex brain. A creature that eats its own **** just identifies it as a sudden sound, and if anything, only relates it to danger. I don't believe Carp can recognise the difference between a bite alarm and Dave slamming the door on his Caddy.
Totally agree that those elements exist, but I doubt the fish can specifically correlate the sound of a bite alarm to being fished for. I very much doubt fish have the intelligence to put two and two together or recognise specific sounds and identify its origin.
We have the ability to recognise underwater the sound of a car door slamming compared to the sound of a balloon popping because of our complex brain. A creature that eats its own **** just identifies it as a sudden sound, and if anything, only relates it to danger. I don't believe Carp can recognise the difference between a bite alarm and Dave slamming the door on his Caddy.
In reply to Post #26
"Also bear in mind if your tight lining, the sound has an ideal medium to pass down from alarm down into the water to the lead. Did you never do the string and tin cans experiment at school to show how sound can pass down the string by talking into one can and someone at the other end a good distance away can hear you talking?"
Surely that applies even more so to audible heads where the line is touching the sound source. Silent heads would be an improvement, if you were worried about such a thing..
"Also bear in mind if your tight lining, the sound has an ideal medium to pass down from alarm down into the water to the lead. Did you never do the string and tin cans experiment at school to show how sound can pass down the string by talking into one can and someone at the other end a good distance away can hear you talking?"
Surely that applies even more so to audible heads where the line is touching the sound source. Silent heads would be an improvement, if you were worried about such a thing..