Sign of the times, trying to drum up business, many will be drawn in.
Only way to truly know is to buy the ingredients from non-fishing companies and make your own.
I take all my baits to lakes where I can see the reaction over & over, it gives me confidence to fish without worry which is the biggest thing for me.
All of the readymade baits I've used over the last 4 or 5 seasons have been accepted with gusto.
I do think that angling pressure, lake circumstances, ability and the way in which the bait is used makes the difference unless it really is not very good bait.
Only way to truly know is to buy the ingredients from non-fishing companies and make your own.
I take all my baits to lakes where I can see the reaction over & over, it gives me confidence to fish without worry which is the biggest thing for me.
All of the readymade baits I've used over the last 4 or 5 seasons have been accepted with gusto.
I do think that angling pressure, lake circumstances, ability and the way in which the bait is used makes the difference unless it really is not very good bait.
In reply to Post #15
That's not just confined to the bait industry. Recipe changes happen all the time in the food industry. Yes ingredients are declared on pack, but not with a content % (unless it's a key quidded ingredient). So there's plenty of scope for changing recipe %'s without the average consumer knowing. Then there's switching between raw material suppliers for cost reasons, as long as the legal declaration is the same, the on pack ingredient declaration stays the same. Any changes to nutritional value would need to be reflected though, but who reads those everytime and notices any changes?
And as for BFM it has changed for sure (I used to roll my own back in the day, and have used ready rolled recently) but IMO is still a good bait
That's not just confined to the bait industry. Recipe changes happen all the time in the food industry. Yes ingredients are declared on pack, but not with a content % (unless it's a key quidded ingredient). So there's plenty of scope for changing recipe %'s without the average consumer knowing. Then there's switching between raw material suppliers for cost reasons, as long as the legal declaration is the same, the on pack ingredient declaration stays the same. Any changes to nutritional value would need to be reflected though, but who reads those everytime and notices any changes?
And as for BFM it has changed for sure (I used to roll my own back in the day, and have used ready rolled recently) but IMO is still a good bait
In reply to Post #17
For me, i understand reformulation is commonplace and usually a necessity in some shape or form.
What annoyed me with Nutrabaits' is they go out their way to saying they are adhering to the original recipes. They use it as a selling point to lure punters in.
If they advertised it as 'New and improved BFM.' like i see on a lot of foods (even if we all know it usually means its got worse!) then i personally wouldn't have an issue with it.
I agree with the points below, the industry needs some regulation
For me, i understand reformulation is commonplace and usually a necessity in some shape or form.
What annoyed me with Nutrabaits' is they go out their way to saying they are adhering to the original recipes. They use it as a selling point to lure punters in.
If they advertised it as 'New and improved BFM.' like i see on a lot of foods (even if we all know it usually means its got worse!) then i personally wouldn't have an issue with it.
I agree with the points below, the industry needs some regulation
I have not used it but I have used plenty of the older stuff “with some” and found it to be a very good bait at the time 
Without getting the calculator out the protein levels cannot be close if they are now claiming 19% but is protein content everything?
I guess the answer is in the use but as mentioned, if it ain't close to the pre marketed stuff then it is wrong to call it BFM. Unless they put a statement out with it saying this is a close as it gets folks. Once a good base always a good base for me while ever we are using powders bound with egg
Had a look out of interest
The all time classic recipe combines a perfect blend of premium quality fish meal's, pre-digested fishmeals, Haith's Robin Red, Sluis CLO, human food grade milk and whey proteins along with vitamins and minerals.
Without getting the calculator out the protein levels cannot be close if they are now claiming 19% but is protein content everything?
I guess the answer is in the use but as mentioned, if it ain't close to the pre marketed stuff then it is wrong to call it BFM. Unless they put a statement out with it saying this is a close as it gets folks. Once a good base always a good base for me while ever we are using powders bound with egg
Had a look out of interest
The all time classic recipe combines a perfect blend of premium quality fish meal's, pre-digested fishmeals, Haith's Robin Red, Sluis CLO, human food grade milk and whey proteins along with vitamins and minerals.
In reply to Post #19
Protein is certainly not everything, I think the issue is if it contains decent levels of fishmeals alongside the other ingredients in the basemix it should certainly be upwards of that figure. If it's not then what is your money buying cheap bulk ingredients maybe.
Protein is certainly not everything, I think the issue is if it contains decent levels of fishmeals alongside the other ingredients in the basemix it should certainly be upwards of that figure. If it's not then what is your money buying cheap bulk ingredients maybe.
In reply to Post #20
Agree
And like the rumours is it or not, who cares, a spin off from Premeirs original mix, what was it, 50% fish meal, 25% bird food and a whooping 25% milks, 3 ingredients! And some
19% protein, mmmmm, don't need a calculator for that!
Agree
And like the rumours is it or not, who cares, a spin off from Premeirs original mix, what was it, 50% fish meal, 25% bird food and a whooping 25% milks, 3 ingredients! And some
19% protein, mmmmm, don't need a calculator for that!
I'm inclined to agree with everyone else who's says the mix should be re named or stated that it's as close as we could afford to do. Apart from pdfm and krill, the mix could be the same but at vastly changed inclusion levels. Iirc a 10k bucket of base was £72 way back so imagine how much that same bucket would cost now 
. I actually used to cut mine to make it go further and i found it a better bait with a big dollop of maize added. With virtually no anglers able to establish a food source nowadays is there really any point in the hnv theory now? Tbh as much as I hate to say it, as long as a bait has a "food label" then it's gonna get eaten.
. I actually used to cut mine to make it go further and i found it a better bait with a big dollop of maize added. With virtually no anglers able to establish a food source nowadays is there really any point in the hnv theory now? Tbh as much as I hate to say it, as long as a bait has a "food label" then it's gonna get eaten.
In reply to Post #22
Not sure there'll be any lactalbumin in it now.....
Not sure there'll be any lactalbumin in it now.....
In reply to Post #23
Very true, iirc lactalbumin is virtually unusable now due to availability and cost, milks more likely to be a dash of wpc.
Very true, iirc lactalbumin is virtually unusable now due to availability and cost, milks more likely to be a dash of wpc.
In reply to Post #18
Regulation always comes hand in hand with higher prices.
Regulation always comes hand in hand with higher prices.
In reply to Post #25
Checked a label of a bag of BFM basemix in the Tackle box recently.
48.42% protein
7.42% Oil
2.84% Fibre
12.49% ash
Checked a label of a bag of BFM basemix in the Tackle box recently.
48.42% protein
7.42% Oil
2.84% Fibre
12.49% ash
In reply to Post #26
48.42% protein
So not 19% as claimed, wonder where that info came from
48.42% protein
So not 19% as claimed, wonder where that info came from
In reply to Post #26
So what is the ash? In the BFM
So what is the ash? In the BFM
In reply to Post #28
From what I understand it is the mineral content that would not burn like fats/protein/carbs were they to do a combustion test. You'll find the same thing on pet food labels.
From what I understand it is the mineral content that would not burn like fats/protein/carbs were they to do a combustion test. You'll find the same thing on pet food labels.
In reply to Post #27
I am talking about the rolled bait. In particular the shelf life (that they claim to be the same recipe) the packet says 19% protein
I am talking about the rolled bait. In particular the shelf life (that they claim to be the same recipe) the packet says 19% protein