In reply to Post #15
Am I correct in reading from your management report that lilies are not overly beneficial?
Am I correct in reading from your management report that lilies are not overly beneficial?
In reply to Post #16
One lake I fish in wednesbury is about 4/5' down it's always like this and it was covered in lots of weed then it's shifted now as I went to look yesterday as I'm fishing somewhere else tomorrow but had a look anyway,now it's got a bit of water on it and only half the lake is covered in weed but even then there's now only 3 swims that are fishable now as it's all overgrown.
One lake I fish in wednesbury is about 4/5' down it's always like this and it was covered in lots of weed then it's shifted now as I went to look yesterday as I'm fishing somewhere else tomorrow but had a look anyway,now it's got a bit of water on it and only half the lake is covered in weed but even then there's now only 3 swims that are fishable now as it's all overgrown.
In reply to Post #14
Each lake seems to do what it wants to do, there really is no “Rule of Thumb” so to speak, probably because there are so many variables involved. Weed beds seem to form a buffer zone that prevent mad swings.
Example from around 5 years ago;
10ft from my left foot a lake with 2% DO readings (Everything dead!)
10ft from my right foot a 50 x 25m Stock Pond with 65% DO Readings – all stock fine and feeding on pellets!
Directly behind me about 150 yards away the L & L Canal with 75% DO readings
Directly in front of me just a 5 minute walk away is two Still waters both with 78% DO readings
All readings taken at the same time with four people (Two fishery owners and two EA Officers)
All at the same elevation/location, all fed from the same catchment area/same streams, all seen exactly the same weather conditions, but drastically different situations.
I'd be amazed if anyone can even guess, EA was puzzled - I got brownie points that afternoon when I sussed it
Each lake seems to do what it wants to do, there really is no “Rule of Thumb” so to speak, probably because there are so many variables involved. Weed beds seem to form a buffer zone that prevent mad swings.
Example from around 5 years ago;
10ft from my left foot a lake with 2% DO readings (Everything dead!)
10ft from my right foot a 50 x 25m Stock Pond with 65% DO Readings – all stock fine and feeding on pellets!
Directly behind me about 150 yards away the L & L Canal with 75% DO readings
Directly in front of me just a 5 minute walk away is two Still waters both with 78% DO readings
All readings taken at the same time with four people (Two fishery owners and two EA Officers)
All at the same elevation/location, all fed from the same catchment area/same streams, all seen exactly the same weather conditions, but drastically different situations.
I'd be amazed if anyone can even guess, EA was puzzled - I got brownie points that afternoon when I sussed it
In reply to Post #1
Not so bad down here in Cornwall but one lake I often fish is down about 18 inches as it's only fed by a spring, the flow of which has reduced considerably. Thankfully it has no significant algae or excess weed and was dug with a fairly open main area so any breeze ripples the water nicely.
Another lake is still as normal as it's fed by part of a decent stream and the flow through it can be increased if needed. Carp have obviously been basking here on both lakes when it's sunny but all seem fine.
Two well designed lakes that have been maintained properly and also not too many are piling excess bait in (especially if they adhere to the rules ) so the water quality and oxygen levels should be good in both.
Interesting to see some areas exposed on the first lake though and it explains some takes and refusals when the bait is close but not accessible from their safe area. A lot can be learnt on a walk around when the water is lower than normal.
Not so bad down here in Cornwall but one lake I often fish is down about 18 inches as it's only fed by a spring, the flow of which has reduced considerably. Thankfully it has no significant algae or excess weed and was dug with a fairly open main area so any breeze ripples the water nicely.
Another lake is still as normal as it's fed by part of a decent stream and the flow through it can be increased if needed. Carp have obviously been basking here on both lakes when it's sunny but all seem fine.
Two well designed lakes that have been maintained properly and also not too many are piling excess bait in (especially if they adhere to the rules ) so the water quality and oxygen levels should be good in both.
Interesting to see some areas exposed on the first lake though and it explains some takes and refusals when the bait is close but not accessible from their safe area. A lot can be learnt on a walk around when the water is lower than normal.
In reply to Post #16
Lilies are very nice to look at but i see many lakes where they are out of control and taking up a fair proportion of the surface area. This reduces the available surface area for wind ripple action and oxygen transfer.
They may help remove some nutrients but no better than marginal reeds or submerged plants.
Then the issue of snags and fish mouth damage.
A few whites, reds or pinks are very pretty if spaced well between the pegs or on the far margins, but large areas of nuphar lutea (yellow cabbage brandy bottle lilies) are a hazard and will grow in to 6ft depth of water.
Lilies are very nice to look at but i see many lakes where they are out of control and taking up a fair proportion of the surface area. This reduces the available surface area for wind ripple action and oxygen transfer.
They may help remove some nutrients but no better than marginal reeds or submerged plants.
Then the issue of snags and fish mouth damage.
A few whites, reds or pinks are very pretty if spaced well between the pegs or on the far margins, but large areas of nuphar lutea (yellow cabbage brandy bottle lilies) are a hazard and will grow in to 6ft depth of water.
In reply to Post #20
All water plants including reeds need managing. Cutting them back and removing decaying matter will help manage the nutrient levels and keep swims accessible and safe to fish. Same goes for Bankside trees.
All water plants including reeds need managing. Cutting them back and removing decaying matter will help manage the nutrient levels and keep swims accessible and safe to fish. Same goes for Bankside trees.
The 117 acre ressi five mins from me is really ,really low,along with Upper Tamar at 81 acres ,which feeds Bude ,Stratton etc is mega low,mind you Bude is sadly growing in size and people are saying the ressi can't cope now..
Place I know, I had to shut off the inflo ,due to pollution in the stream,luckily though there are several natural springs that keep this lake alive,in the process of removing lots and lots of Rhizomes,lily pads they look lovely ,but are now over the top...
Lake behind me,on the cliffs has dried up ,no fish now in evidence,and the village ponds have remained full ,except one ...
Place I know, I had to shut off the inflo ,due to pollution in the stream,luckily though there are several natural springs that keep this lake alive,in the process of removing lots and lots of Rhizomes,lily pads they look lovely ,but are now over the top...
Lake behind me,on the cliffs has dried up ,no fish now in evidence,and the village ponds have remained full ,except one ...
At last, about 3pm it was like stair rods coming
down, lasted about 2 hours then eased off a bit,
I'm glad I chose to come home, I don't mind fishing
in the rain but when its time to pack up
this was in east Devon, anyone else get wet?
down, lasted about 2 hours then eased off a bit,
I'm glad I chose to come home, I don't mind fishing
in the rain but when its time to pack up
this was in east Devon, anyone else get wet?
In reply to Post #23
Nope, just driving away from the pool when it started,indoors and unloaded when it poured.
Nope, just driving away from the pool when it started,indoors and unloaded when it poured.
In reply to Post #24
In reply to Post #1
Many lakes are down in depth, one club I belong to has closed off a few swims because of the distance down to the water which is good.
Up to the angler to assess the situation and decide if it's safe or not if the club hasn't done so.
Many lakes are down in depth, one club I belong to has closed off a few swims because of the distance down to the water which is good.
Up to the angler to assess the situation and decide if it's safe or not if the club hasn't done so.
In reply to Post #1
Yes exactly this on my new syndicate, most of it is only 2-3ft now, and trying to net fish is all but impossible in the shallow margins....once was enough, not been for weeks.
Most of the swims are still only 2ft 15yards out, desperate times, I fear for the stock tbh.
Yes exactly this on my new syndicate, most of it is only 2-3ft now, and trying to net fish is all but impossible in the shallow margins....once was enough, not been for weeks.
Most of the swims are still only 2ft 15yards out, desperate times, I fear for the stock tbh.
In reply to Post #26
The club or who ever runs the fishing should intervene. You can't rely on people to make the right decision, as most are utter morons. Take a water near me, it's a shallow lake and it's now very low - to the point that carp have been swimming around in the mud with their backs out of the water. Yet, people are still fishing it as the carp struggle to cope. The average carp 'angler' is not the most intelligent of creatures. I doubt I'll even wet a line until late September, given the state many waters are in down my way. Find something else to do, the carp have enough to deal with.
The club or who ever runs the fishing should intervene. You can't rely on people to make the right decision, as most are utter morons. Take a water near me, it's a shallow lake and it's now very low - to the point that carp have been swimming around in the mud with their backs out of the water. Yet, people are still fishing it as the carp struggle to cope. The average carp 'angler' is not the most intelligent of creatures. I doubt I'll even wet a line until late September, given the state many waters are in down my way. Find something else to do, the carp have enough to deal with.
In reply to Post #28
Anglers are inherently selfish and it should be down to responsible clubs and fishery managers to close waters.
Anglers are inherently selfish and it should be down to responsible clubs and fishery managers to close waters.
In reply to Post #29
True to a point - Although many anglers on here would buck that trend.
There are also those irresponsible and greedy lake owners who will be happy to take the money from anglers even when it would be safer (for the fish) not to.
I guess both of the selfish parties above will eventually come together...
True to a point - Although many anglers on here would buck that trend.
There are also those irresponsible and greedy lake owners who will be happy to take the money from anglers even when it would be safer (for the fish) not to.
I guess both of the selfish parties above will eventually come together...