In reply to Post #15
Your right mate,it's terrible....
Its a beautiful place,but now it's ruined for the moment,I literally have spent nights ,camping next to that river after work,then going home early ,to my job..just to document and collect pics and anecdotal stuff..
I know a lot about it,but can't say too much on open forum,cept ,a lot of stuff is coming to light,especially the bullying...
Cheers
Your right mate,it's terrible....
Its a beautiful place,but now it's ruined for the moment,I literally have spent nights ,camping next to that river after work,then going home early ,to my job..just to document and collect pics and anecdotal stuff..
I know a lot about it,but can't say too much on open forum,cept ,a lot of stuff is coming to light,especially the bullying...
Cheers
I don't get the second home thing, as has been said they aren't homes they're investments. a lot of people buy them and rent them out at extortionate prices.
My generation ( I'm 28 ) was hit HARD by this, I earn above average for my age group, but it is absolutely swallowed up by expenses. average rent around me for a one bed 🛏 ( pushing it to not call it a studio ) is about 1200 prior to utilities.
my own is 1450 a month + utilities, then there is food, toiletries, broad band, phone. car tax and insurance, god forbid I continue my amazon prime account to watch telly, then theres the dreaded unexpecteds, such as car repairs. its well over 2000 a month. the average take home per month for my age group in this country is £1650.
most single children may inherit a house, but for multiply child families that doesn't work.
And quite why this country demands such premiums I don't know, its not a desirable place to live at all anymore, be in horrendous pollution issues like wandle faces, or the massive intravenous drug and homeless problem where I live.
might just buy a campervan and bugger off lol
My generation ( I'm 28 ) was hit HARD by this, I earn above average for my age group, but it is absolutely swallowed up by expenses. average rent around me for a one bed 🛏 ( pushing it to not call it a studio ) is about 1200 prior to utilities.
my own is 1450 a month + utilities, then there is food, toiletries, broad band, phone. car tax and insurance, god forbid I continue my amazon prime account to watch telly, then theres the dreaded unexpecteds, such as car repairs. its well over 2000 a month. the average take home per month for my age group in this country is £1650.
most single children may inherit a house, but for multiply child families that doesn't work.
And quite why this country demands such premiums I don't know, its not a desirable place to live at all anymore, be in horrendous pollution issues like wandle faces, or the massive intravenous drug and homeless problem where I live.
might just buy a campervan and bugger off lol
In reply to Post #17
This country has such high premiums because people have jobs and business can charge it, couple this with the Conservative party selling off all our assets over the years when they have been in power, it's that simple. Foreign business is cashing in on us too.
My apologies though, let's not turn this into a political slagging match. Better in a non carp thread, cost of living
Going back to the release of effluent, it truly is horrendous practice and the sentence does not match the crime for me. Under UK legislation business are facing increased costs for waste disposal and it sounds brash but there will be a trade off and a small fine. In comparison this may be viewed as a viable option. The environment agency have spent millions over the years returning our water courses back to natural habitats following previous years of industrial pollution. The answer is simple for me, high fines and a review on the number of releases. There is always the chance of an accident but there is a difference with intent, which in this case they should have the option to close them down until they upgrade to a recommend treatment system for example.
This country has such high premiums because people have jobs and business can charge it, couple this with the Conservative party selling off all our assets over the years when they have been in power, it's that simple. Foreign business is cashing in on us too.
My apologies though, let's not turn this into a political slagging match. Better in a non carp thread, cost of living
Going back to the release of effluent, it truly is horrendous practice and the sentence does not match the crime for me. Under UK legislation business are facing increased costs for waste disposal and it sounds brash but there will be a trade off and a small fine. In comparison this may be viewed as a viable option. The environment agency have spent millions over the years returning our water courses back to natural habitats following previous years of industrial pollution. The answer is simple for me, high fines and a review on the number of releases. There is always the chance of an accident but there is a difference with intent, which in this case they should have the option to close them down until they upgrade to a recommend treatment system for example.
I'm going to lamp a few stretches later tonight and see if there are many fish left in a couple of places I have permission..
There was beautiful streamer weed,and you'd see the fish drifting in and out,deer would come down early to drink in the mornings,all sorts of wild life,peace and tranquility, like most could only think of .
Now,the river bed ,is dark brown,dead ,I pride myself on my use of words sometimes, on this occasion, I have not the ability to express my total disgust and empty feeling I have..
Thanks all. ..
There was beautiful streamer weed,and you'd see the fish drifting in and out,deer would come down early to drink in the mornings,all sorts of wild life,peace and tranquility, like most could only think of .
Now,the river bed ,is dark brown,dead ,I pride myself on my use of words sometimes, on this occasion, I have not the ability to express my total disgust and empty feeling I have..
Thanks all. ..
In reply to Post #19
You're absolute spot on.
You're absolute spot on.
The problem is that water authorities are never impacted by fines ,even if they are prosecuted.
It is not the CEO or management that suffer a loss, nor the shareholders.
All that happens is that services are reduced and bills increased to pay the fines.
Until individuals are made to suffer personally it will continue unabated.
The problem is further magnified as the consumer is unable to change water supplier to signal their dis satisfaction unless they move out of that area.
It is not the CEO or management that suffer a loss, nor the shareholders.
All that happens is that services are reduced and bills increased to pay the fines.
Until individuals are made to suffer personally it will continue unabated.
The problem is further magnified as the consumer is unable to change water supplier to signal their dis satisfaction unless they move out of that area.
In reply to Post #18
Unfortunately Scozza this is purely political. Unregulated industrial and agricultural development and activity in the 18th to early 20th century did devastating damage to our environment. Add to that a tenfold increase in population with little or no utilities infrastructure in booming towns and cities the country was becoming a toxic disaster area.
It wasnt until the middle of the 20th century(I was born in 1955) that serious environmental legislation was passed into law. 1956 seeing the clean air act, forced on the government by massive poisonous smogs killing thousands of people, (it was repealed in 93) particularly in London. There was no comparable legislation for water quality.
Through the 20th century different public authorities were set up to manage national water requirements. The old river authorities, national river authority set up in 89,became part of the Environment Agency in the nineties. By this time slow but steady progress had been made in improving water quality but massive investment was needed
In 1989 the ten public regional water authorities were sold off to private investment entities, eventually overseen by the creation of Ofwat. These of course would be so efficient and profitable that they could make the huge investment needed, make huge profits and reduce the price to the customer while improving services. Anybody smell a rat. This was part of the massive privatisation of publicly owned companies and assets by the conservative
Government begun by Margaret Thatcher in 79 and continued for the next 18 years. Taken up again in 2010 under David Cameron. Its worth rembering in the last 48 years the conservatives have held power for 36 of them. This has been partnered by a drive to deregulate business across the board. Again a Conservative touchstone like reducing taxes and and crippling and privatising public services. Broad and rapid deregulation of standards was kept in check by EU membership requirements. No more, its going to get a lot worse Wandle.
Agricultural chemicals, run off, GM produce, sewage release, extraction, nuclear power, fossil fuels, fracking, reopening coal mines, the list goes on and all increasingly deregulated at the behest of the Conservative paymasters chuckling under their rocks. Nobody can blame any other parties, conservatives have had 12years to show us what they can do. And haven't they just.
Sorry Scozza but it's all politics. Human beings, particularly human greed has to be regulated one way or the other.
Want to live in a desert: vote conservative
Unfortunately Scozza this is purely political. Unregulated industrial and agricultural development and activity in the 18th to early 20th century did devastating damage to our environment. Add to that a tenfold increase in population with little or no utilities infrastructure in booming towns and cities the country was becoming a toxic disaster area.
It wasnt until the middle of the 20th century(I was born in 1955) that serious environmental legislation was passed into law. 1956 seeing the clean air act, forced on the government by massive poisonous smogs killing thousands of people, (it was repealed in 93) particularly in London. There was no comparable legislation for water quality.
Through the 20th century different public authorities were set up to manage national water requirements. The old river authorities, national river authority set up in 89,became part of the Environment Agency in the nineties. By this time slow but steady progress had been made in improving water quality but massive investment was needed
In 1989 the ten public regional water authorities were sold off to private investment entities, eventually overseen by the creation of Ofwat. These of course would be so efficient and profitable that they could make the huge investment needed, make huge profits and reduce the price to the customer while improving services. Anybody smell a rat. This was part of the massive privatisation of publicly owned companies and assets by the conservative
Government begun by Margaret Thatcher in 79 and continued for the next 18 years. Taken up again in 2010 under David Cameron. Its worth rembering in the last 48 years the conservatives have held power for 36 of them. This has been partnered by a drive to deregulate business across the board. Again a Conservative touchstone like reducing taxes and and crippling and privatising public services. Broad and rapid deregulation of standards was kept in check by EU membership requirements. No more, its going to get a lot worse Wandle.
Agricultural chemicals, run off, GM produce, sewage release, extraction, nuclear power, fossil fuels, fracking, reopening coal mines, the list goes on and all increasingly deregulated at the behest of the Conservative paymasters chuckling under their rocks. Nobody can blame any other parties, conservatives have had 12years to show us what they can do. And haven't they just.
Sorry Scozza but it's all politics. Human beings, particularly human greed has to be regulated one way or the other.
Want to live in a desert: vote conservative
In reply to Post #22
Exactly right. In October 2021 they voted against the Environment Bill which would have put tighter restrictions on companies dumping into our waterways, then had the gaul to defend their position by claiming it was a storm in a teacup. That's what all of these scandals are, right? Not important enough to worry about, more important things to do, etc. Except when you look at the absolute state of the country right now, it's not because of one single issue (although Brexit is undoubtably at the centre of most of it), it's loads and loads of so called "storms in teacups" that when combined actually create the perfect storm. It's not going to change with such a disenfranchised population of voters; we need proportional representation before it's too late, and the Tories out. Eventually the results of Tory actions will impact on everyone and we're nearly there with the cost of living crisis.
Exactly right. In October 2021 they voted against the Environment Bill which would have put tighter restrictions on companies dumping into our waterways, then had the gaul to defend their position by claiming it was a storm in a teacup. That's what all of these scandals are, right? Not important enough to worry about, more important things to do, etc. Except when you look at the absolute state of the country right now, it's not because of one single issue (although Brexit is undoubtably at the centre of most of it), it's loads and loads of so called "storms in teacups" that when combined actually create the perfect storm. It's not going to change with such a disenfranchised population of voters; we need proportional representation before it's too late, and the Tories out. Eventually the results of Tory actions will impact on everyone and we're nearly there with the cost of living crisis.
In reply to Post #23
Bugger all to do with brexit, it started as already pointed out fifty plus years before that. Greed is what it's all about nothing more, greed. Companies making record profits paying record dividends to wealthy share holders and barely investing enough back into the companies.
Bugger all to do with brexit, it started as already pointed out fifty plus years before that. Greed is what it's all about nothing more, greed. Companies making record profits paying record dividends to wealthy share holders and barely investing enough back into the companies.
In reply to Post #24
Well, it does; as stated, once we left the EU then we left behind regulations that protected the environment. A "bonfire of red tape" I think they called it. But I do agree that the direction of travel has been obvious for a long time.
Well, it does; as stated, once we left the EU then we left behind regulations that protected the environment. A "bonfire of red tape" I think they called it. But I do agree that the direction of travel has been obvious for a long time.
In reply to Post #22
My point being, this is a carp forum and not the monster raving looney party
Now whether polical bollox should be in here or none carp chat is for a mod to decide, but I will say this, this! And on the other hand I have got 4 fingers and a thumb. How many threads have been ruined because it becomes purely politics, there's a time and place for it
Edit - what did I say
My point being, this is a carp forum and not the monster raving looney party
Now whether polical bollox should be in here or none carp chat is for a mod to decide, but I will say this, this! And on the other hand I have got 4 fingers and a thumb. How many threads have been ruined because it becomes purely politics, there's a time and place for it
Edit - what did I say
In reply to Post #26
Agreed, shall desist.
Agreed, shall desist.
In reply to Post #27
I blame Boris
I blame Boris
In reply to Post #28
Unfortunately this thread is essentially about big business polluting and destroying a part of our aquatic environment so it is either arses up and heads in the sand or we have to get involved in the politics of environmental issues to protect our fisheries. This thread on this forum is exactly the place to talk about it.
Unfortunately this thread is essentially about big business polluting and destroying a part of our aquatic environment so it is either arses up and heads in the sand or we have to get involved in the politics of environmental issues to protect our fisheries. This thread on this forum is exactly the place to talk about it.
In reply to Post #29
Agreed but I do agree we shouldn't have to discuss it here but unfortunately any laws/bills to prevent issues like this go through government.
Agreed but I do agree we shouldn't have to discuss it here but unfortunately any laws/bills to prevent issues like this go through government.