In reply to Post #15
I've noticed this similar behaviour on my lake this year and in previous years, unlike the OP's experience it's normally over weedy areas.
I plus other members can't seem to buy a bite when they are in this mood. Like others I think they are feasting on naturals and can rarely be tempted by a conventional bait. Zigs have been tried and failed.
Having seen carp preoccupied on small food items such as hemp and pellet I can see how they could also do this on bloodworm or similar natural food.
On my lake it appears that once the weed dies back and the naturals are gone they start getting caught again.
Fish crashing out over or near my baited area rarely means feeding fish in my experience , fish head and shouldering or just slipping out to their gills is a different matter.
I've noticed this similar behaviour on my lake this year and in previous years, unlike the OP's experience it's normally over weedy areas.
I plus other members can't seem to buy a bite when they are in this mood. Like others I think they are feasting on naturals and can rarely be tempted by a conventional bait. Zigs have been tried and failed.
Having seen carp preoccupied on small food items such as hemp and pellet I can see how they could also do this on bloodworm or similar natural food.
On my lake it appears that once the weed dies back and the naturals are gone they start getting caught again.
Fish crashing out over or near my baited area rarely means feeding fish in my experience , fish head and shouldering or just slipping out to their gills is a different matter.
In reply to Post #16
I'd agree about the crashing out of the water not usually coinciding with fish on the feed.
I had a very similar session recently on hillside near Burnley. Like watching a sealife park show at times. I had bottom baits right under them and was definitely in a bed of bloodworm
Noticed fish doing similar in sudden heavy showers too.
I'd agree about the crashing out of the water not usually coinciding with fish on the feed.
I had a very similar session recently on hillside near Burnley. Like watching a sealife park show at times. I had bottom baits right under them and was definitely in a bed of bloodworm
Noticed fish doing similar in sudden heavy showers too.
Zigs, my local is over 20ft on average, this is common behaviour there, they will crash and roll over a baited area, but are in their comfort zone 6ft below the surface.
Again I mirror other guys comments went to my club lake Friday, stupidly with a pre conceived idea after a result the previous week, carp jumping not rolling over the areas I had bait, zigs would of scored well but being a small lake and having carp troughing in the margins the previous week didn't bring my long rods just 6fts and with a 1oz max lead even adjustables weren't an option
In reply to Post #19
Had the zig out last night one one rod, but no joy,
Although the fish weren't jumping about like last week,
Didn't actually see or hear a thing, the lake looked dead.
Had the zig out last night one one rod, but no joy,
Although the fish weren't jumping about like last week,
Didn't actually see or hear a thing, the lake looked dead.
I had been watching carp crashing over a specific spot, got up a spotting tree and could see a group of carp being led in on large lap of this big bay, every time the lead fish came to this spot he'd head and shoulder out (shampooing 
) to mark territory, then continue to lead his gang on another lap of the bay.
I had rods out (on the deck) and there were no fish there...
) to mark territory, then continue to lead his gang on another lap of the bay. I had rods out (on the deck) and there were no fish there...
In reply to Post #21
They really are fascinating creatures carp. I'm not saying they'll ever solve a Rubik's cube or learn fluent Mandrin Chinese and recite Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching, all the same, I don't go with the they're daft at all, far from it. I remember watching a video of Dave Lane when he was talking about a weird occurrence on Horton with a fish purposely spooking another because (so Dave thought) the 'spooker' had spied him and was warning the other fish that Dave was hanging out of a tree upto no good.
I wonder what the fish you were watching upto. Do you think one of them was pointing out a feeding spot or something for the others?
They really are fascinating creatures carp. I'm not saying they'll ever solve a Rubik's cube or learn fluent Mandrin Chinese and recite Lao Tzu's Tao Te Ching, all the same, I don't go with the they're daft at all, far from it. I remember watching a video of Dave Lane when he was talking about a weird occurrence on Horton with a fish purposely spooking another because (so Dave thought) the 'spooker' had spied him and was warning the other fish that Dave was hanging out of a tree upto no good.
I wonder what the fish you were watching upto. Do you think one of them was pointing out a feeding spot or something for the others?
In reply to Post #22
Why would it be unusual that one animal would alert another to danger? Even insects do it.
Why would it be unusual that one animal would alert another to danger? Even insects do it.
In reply to Post #21
I can remember fishing pendle view (going back a few years now) and there was a big orange koi that would cruise around near the surface on hot days. There'd always be a few others (less conspicuous looking fish) following close behind.
I was convinced they were there because they knew we'd all cast bait out to the orange guy when we saw him
I can remember fishing pendle view (going back a few years now) and there was a big orange koi that would cruise around near the surface on hot days. There'd always be a few others (less conspicuous looking fish) following close behind.
I was convinced they were there because they knew we'd all cast bait out to the orange guy when we saw him
In reply to Post #22
I think it was the dominant fish, leader of the pack, circling his territory and the rest of the gang just following along. The circle probably covered about an acre, and for about half of it they went out of sight, but they came back around on an identical line every time and only the lead fish would pop out halfway and splash back down on his flank, exactly the same every time.
This probably repeated 12-15 times in an hour.
The leader was a low 30, and the water was crystal clear, i could identify all the same fish (maybe 8 or 9) each lap.
I think it was the dominant fish, leader of the pack, circling his territory and the rest of the gang just following along. The circle probably covered about an acre, and for about half of it they went out of sight, but they came back around on an identical line every time and only the lead fish would pop out halfway and splash back down on his flank, exactly the same every time.
This probably repeated 12-15 times in an hour.
The leader was a low 30, and the water was crystal clear, i could identify all the same fish (maybe 8 or 9) each lap.
Has anyone ever had a carp on, and others follow the fish that's been tricked?
There's a ghost where I fish it's one of four ,but it's the smallest of them,I seen it a few times,and as its very conspicuous, I've seen it come right up as I'm even netting the fish I have on ,quite amazing really..
'Look chaps,he's blooming got 'one scale' on *******,oh hang on,he's on Solar old skool stainless,just checking to see how shiny it is '
There's a ghost where I fish it's one of four ,but it's the smallest of them,I seen it a few times,and as its very conspicuous, I've seen it come right up as I'm even netting the fish I have on ,quite amazing really..
'Look chaps,he's blooming got 'one scale' on *******,oh hang on,he's on Solar old skool stainless,just checking to see how shiny it is '
In reply to Post #23
You'd have to watch the video so as to get what I'm going on about. In essence, there was a fish a some rod lengths out in a hole in heavy weed, another fish came along the back of the weed, stopped, tipped up and was watching Dave, then started crashing out so as to spook the other fish. Thing was, the fish that was crashing couldn't see the other fish, or so Dave thought 👍
You'd have to watch the video so as to get what I'm going on about. In essence, there was a fish a some rod lengths out in a hole in heavy weed, another fish came along the back of the weed, stopped, tipped up and was watching Dave, then started crashing out so as to spook the other fish. Thing was, the fish that was crashing couldn't see the other fish, or so Dave thought 👍
In reply to Post #25
Never seen that before, really interesting 👍
The funny thing is, if you had never got up a tree and seen that, you'd most likely put a rod on that spot all expectant thinking it was going to rip as 'they're crashing out'.
Never seen that before, really interesting 👍
The funny thing is, if you had never got up a tree and seen that, you'd most likely put a rod on that spot all expectant thinking it was going to rip as 'they're crashing out'.
In reply to Post #28
Id already seen them crash and had two rods on the area, it was only 25 yards out, on the bottom bank at christchurch on my 1st visit.
Watching the fish on there was a real education, i struggled at first but soon sussed their routine and did quite well.
Id already seen them crash and had two rods on the area, it was only 25 yards out, on the bottom bank at christchurch on my 1st visit.
Watching the fish on there was a real education, i struggled at first but soon sussed their routine and did quite well.
In reply to Post #17
I've had that, but put a bait a few metres to the side of where they were rolling and caught. I think that they were feeding on a particular spot, digging deep into the lakebed, then coming up to clear themselves of silt and rolling.
I've had that, but put a bait a few metres to the side of where they were rolling and caught. I think that they were feeding on a particular spot, digging deep into the lakebed, then coming up to clear themselves of silt and rolling.