In reply to Post #15
Over the years I've used B175's, Longshank Nailors, Longshank X etc. For bottom bait fishing it's all I use.
I can honestly say I've not seen any difference between them and the other hooks I use for zig and pop up fishing.
I do wonder if this is one of these things in Carp fishing that is repeated until it becomes folklore!
Unless it's just people referring to the 360 rig issues with the net mesh.
Over the years I've used B175's, Longshank Nailors, Longshank X etc. For bottom bait fishing it's all I use.
I can honestly say I've not seen any difference between them and the other hooks I use for zig and pop up fishing.
I do wonder if this is one of these things in Carp fishing that is repeated until it becomes folklore!
Unless it's just people referring to the 360 rig issues with the net mesh.
In reply to Post #1
I've never had a problem with longshanks when knotless knotted but I've seen bad mouth damage when I've used them ronnie rig style
I've never had a problem with longshanks when knotless knotted but I've seen bad mouth damage when I've used them ronnie rig style
Also once netted hook gets caught in the net , net is lifted , mouth torn .
A lot of the damage occurs on the bank but most won't admit it .
Another reason I cut the hooklink when on my own to alleviate any damage to hung ups in the net .
I think this is folklore passed by word of mouth and it's a load of toffee.
Needs more to get off the fence and put this theory to bed .
A lot of the damage occurs on the bank but most won't admit it .
Another reason I cut the hooklink when on my own to alleviate any damage to hung ups in the net .
I think this is folklore passed by word of mouth and it's a load of toffee.
Needs more to get off the fence and put this theory to bed .
I used to use longshank hooks all the time stopped because a longshank incizor snapped on a mid double( may have been a bad hook hold) . Then I had a fish double hooked effectively sewing it's mouth shut. This was with a Korda longshank. I now use curved hooks. Touch wood not had a problem with them so far.
In reply to Post #18
I think it good practice to unhook fish in the net so as to prevent any more mouth damage from the initial hooking and playing of the fish.
I had a nasty instance with a good fish that was torn with a size 4 barbed fang twister that must have moved around the fishes mouth, up until that point an ever since it's not been repeated. I use the 360 rig a lot, and like Dave Lane don't go to the lengths of melting shrink tube to the eye of the hook, and just like Dave Lane who invented the rig with a friend of his, I too have not seen the mouth damage people harp on about. Not to say damage may never occur, I've yet to see it in the fish I've caught.
As for long shank hooks, not that I use them that often as I prefer to use a long aligner and size 4 fang twister, when I do use long shanks, I've not seen the damage people go on about.
I think it good practice to unhook fish in the net so as to prevent any more mouth damage from the initial hooking and playing of the fish.
I had a nasty instance with a good fish that was torn with a size 4 barbed fang twister that must have moved around the fishes mouth, up until that point an ever since it's not been repeated. I use the 360 rig a lot, and like Dave Lane don't go to the lengths of melting shrink tube to the eye of the hook, and just like Dave Lane who invented the rig with a friend of his, I too have not seen the mouth damage people harp on about. Not to say damage may never occur, I've yet to see it in the fish I've caught.
As for long shank hooks, not that I use them that often as I prefer to use a long aligner and size 4 fang twister, when I do use long shanks, I've not seen the damage people go on about.
In reply to Post #20
I Agree at least cut the hooklink or remove with a quicklink
I've had crimps catch on the net to be honest
Longshank hooks can and do get caught in the net
Got to applaud cutting the hook 👍🏻
Just comes down to each individual judging what's acceptable
Remember it is a hook and it can damage the fish
I'm sure I'm not alone when it goes wrong , fail hooking etc
Leaves me sick to the stomach
I Agree at least cut the hooklink or remove with a quicklink
I've had crimps catch on the net to be honest
Longshank hooks can and do get caught in the net
Got to applaud cutting the hook 👍🏻
Just comes down to each individual judging what's acceptable
Remember it is a hook and it can damage the fish
I'm sure I'm not alone when it goes wrong , fail hooking etc
Leaves me sick to the stomach
In reply to Post #1
Never had issues with long shank hooks personally.
Never had issues with long shank hooks personally.
PESONAL CHOICE !
I will only use long shank hooks now on waters where the average size is over 30lb no **** will convince me that a long shank hook in double figure fish does not cause damage ..............as I know it does !! and there is no advantage just disadvantages IMHO
but in big fish it dont happen though ?
I will only use long shank hooks now on waters where the average size is over 30lb no **** will convince me that a long shank hook in double figure fish does not cause damage ..............as I know it does !! and there is no advantage just disadvantages IMHO
but in big fish it dont happen though ?
Hmm, my opinion, I've used Long Shank Hooks since Fox brought them out in the 90's and I've never had a problem with them, but like Gerry has said I think there is a definate issue which I think is due to size of hook to size of fish.
I normally only fish for doubles on the whole, use a size 8, no issues with singles/doubles or bigger, though can slip if a lot bigger (as can any smaller hook). Abroad where I expect the fish to be bigger I fish a size 4, again no issues.
I do think Long Shank can cuase problems if used incorrectly, as for the super LS, curved or straight, I wouldn't use them.
I normally only fish for doubles on the whole, use a size 8, no issues with singles/doubles or bigger, though can slip if a lot bigger (as can any smaller hook). Abroad where I expect the fish to be bigger I fish a size 4, again no issues.
I do think Long Shank can cuase problems if used incorrectly, as for the super LS, curved or straight, I wouldn't use them.
In reply to Post #1
I'm sure you're right that the way a fish is played can and does sometimes cause extra damage, but think about what happens when a carp is trying to turn.
The hook is embedded in the carp's lip (hopefully), so the further away the hook eye is from the point, the more leverage and twist is exerted on the hook point.
Add to that an oversize hook relative to fish size, the longer hook shank catching on the net, the increased chance of double hooking that some anglers have witnessed and it's no wonder that fishery owners often specify limits on hook patterns, sizes, and tackle.
I'm sure you're right that the way a fish is played can and does sometimes cause extra damage, but think about what happens when a carp is trying to turn.
The hook is embedded in the carp's lip (hopefully), so the further away the hook eye is from the point, the more leverage and twist is exerted on the hook point.
Add to that an oversize hook relative to fish size, the longer hook shank catching on the net, the increased chance of double hooking that some anglers have witnessed and it's no wonder that fishery owners often specify limits on hook patterns, sizes, and tackle.
In reply to Post #23
A double in a gravel pit is going to have a much tougher mouth than a 30lb fish in a silty water.
Surely your use of longshanks should be water/topography dependant going by your own logic?
A double in a gravel pit is going to have a much tougher mouth than a 30lb fish in a silty water.
Surely your use of longshanks should be water/topography dependant going by your own logic?
In reply to Post #23
Agreed 👍🎣🇫🇷
Agreed 👍🎣🇫🇷
In reply to Post #26
your completely missing the point >>>>>>>>>>>>>its the SIZE of the mouth thats important mate
your completely missing the point >>>>>>>>>>>>>its the SIZE of the mouth thats important mate
In reply to Post #29
Please explain?
Please explain?
In reply to Post #29
There's some pretty big fish out there with small mouths, and some doubles with huge mouths.
There's some pretty big fish out there with small mouths, and some doubles with huge mouths.