In reply to Post #15
That just means you've not used the right ones...
That just means you've not used the right ones...
In reply to Post #1
Nothing changes for me unless observations & results start getting worse.
Nothing changes for me unless observations & results start getting worse.
In reply to Post #15
I'd be very surprised if you had done similar testing to me, can't imagine anyone else bing that geeky about it but I guess I could be wrong!
Which liquids have you tried and how exactly have you tried them, and over how long a period of time?
I'd be very surprised if you had done similar testing to me, can't imagine anyone else bing that geeky about it but I guess I could be wrong!
Which liquids have you tried and how exactly have you tried them, and over how long a period of time?
Liquids a big thing for me also.
In reply to Post #19
Ok let's try and put some clarity to these thoughts and dismissive comments. Do liquids make any difference?
The answer is yes
It is no secret who I work for but it has been a secret who I have worked with over the years. Hydro liquids are probably the biggest attractors in recent times and something I wish I had back in the beginning when we used to roll at home in the 90s. Hydro liquids offer free flowing amino acids, salts and minerals that carp desire. Can I prove it? Yes I can
I have worked alongside ross jelfs who is the owner of Lowerberryfield fisheries for quite a few years now and we have tested every powder, flavour, liquid, additive I can think of and even now after all these years I was amazed at what we saw at times. This post could be huge so I will shorten it slightly. With a good basemix (i mean a real one with majority fishmeal) and a test of different liquids, the fish will show a distinct reaction. But the important bit was the fact that the carp in the next tank along that were not being fed but the pool is linked by a drain that goes under the two pools, would always hug the outlet cover and be mouthing the grill as they can clearly taste something in the water. A reaction I had not noticed before. In our own fishery the liquids also did one other major task. When we coated baits in the thick salmon hydro and placed them on a gravel strip we watched the carp come in and destroy the hnv baits (the carp are highly pressured and very rig aware) but when all visible boilies were gone the carp continued to feed on the area attracted by those heavy liquids still laced on the lakebed. That's the point, they are heavy, sticky and lay low on the floor just where your hook will be. One other thing, the ph. Do a simple test on hydro liquids and you will see that some are very acidic ph 4/5.......that in itself is a investigative trigger in my opinion. Lastly, what is the most attractive thing in liquid???? Another liquid!!
I won't make a bait or go fishing without liquids
Ok let's try and put some clarity to these thoughts and dismissive comments. Do liquids make any difference?
The answer is yes
It is no secret who I work for but it has been a secret who I have worked with over the years. Hydro liquids are probably the biggest attractors in recent times and something I wish I had back in the beginning when we used to roll at home in the 90s. Hydro liquids offer free flowing amino acids, salts and minerals that carp desire. Can I prove it? Yes I can
I have worked alongside ross jelfs who is the owner of Lowerberryfield fisheries for quite a few years now and we have tested every powder, flavour, liquid, additive I can think of and even now after all these years I was amazed at what we saw at times. This post could be huge so I will shorten it slightly. With a good basemix (i mean a real one with majority fishmeal) and a test of different liquids, the fish will show a distinct reaction. But the important bit was the fact that the carp in the next tank along that were not being fed but the pool is linked by a drain that goes under the two pools, would always hug the outlet cover and be mouthing the grill as they can clearly taste something in the water. A reaction I had not noticed before. In our own fishery the liquids also did one other major task. When we coated baits in the thick salmon hydro and placed them on a gravel strip we watched the carp come in and destroy the hnv baits (the carp are highly pressured and very rig aware) but when all visible boilies were gone the carp continued to feed on the area attracted by those heavy liquids still laced on the lakebed. That's the point, they are heavy, sticky and lay low on the floor just where your hook will be. One other thing, the ph. Do a simple test on hydro liquids and you will see that some are very acidic ph 4/5.......that in itself is a investigative trigger in my opinion. Lastly, what is the most attractive thing in liquid???? Another liquid!!
I won't make a bait or go fishing without liquids
In reply to Post #15
I personally wouldn't be daft enough to write something off because of a short term no gain. I've found liquids made a pretty substantial difference in my own angling. I've always been of the idea never fix something that isn't broken, to the point I ignored all my closest friends success using the same bait as me, (high quality fishmeals) heavily doused in a liquid with the same core values and quality. If I could turn back time I'd of used it from the beginning, if you use it right, and give the bait consistent treatment before you go, rather than just sling it on you will without a doubt notice a difference.
With regards to baiting application come the cooler weather, I find natural bait comes into its own, particularly on the waters I fish, low stock, circuit waters after a summer of getting boilies thrown at the left right and centre it can be a real edge. Casters, hemp, tigers, maggots, carp often begin harvesting the last of the real naturals in the lake anyway as the water begins to cool, trying to mimick what they are already tuned into can lead to good results on pressured waters. Good thing with it aswell, it's a pain in the arse using them, keeping it all fresh, going weekly to pick up, so is often overlooked and despite what results you have most can't be bothered with the aggro.
I personally wouldn't be daft enough to write something off because of a short term no gain. I've found liquids made a pretty substantial difference in my own angling. I've always been of the idea never fix something that isn't broken, to the point I ignored all my closest friends success using the same bait as me, (high quality fishmeals) heavily doused in a liquid with the same core values and quality. If I could turn back time I'd of used it from the beginning, if you use it right, and give the bait consistent treatment before you go, rather than just sling it on you will without a doubt notice a difference.
With regards to baiting application come the cooler weather, I find natural bait comes into its own, particularly on the waters I fish, low stock, circuit waters after a summer of getting boilies thrown at the left right and centre it can be a real edge. Casters, hemp, tigers, maggots, carp often begin harvesting the last of the real naturals in the lake anyway as the water begins to cool, trying to mimick what they are already tuned into can lead to good results on pressured waters. Good thing with it aswell, it's a pain in the arse using them, keeping it all fresh, going weekly to pick up, so is often overlooked and despite what results you have most can't be bothered with the aggro.
In reply to Post #18
Interesting, maybe thats it, i wasn't using hydro liquids. Apologies for my dismissive tone, Im going to order some and report back.
Whats good, british aqua feeds, BW Liquid fish?
Interesting, maybe thats it, i wasn't using hydro liquids. Apologies for my dismissive tone, Im going to order some and report back.
Whats good, british aqua feeds, BW Liquid fish?
For the ignorant amongst us can you tell me what makes a liquid 'Hydro'? I can see for example that most of DNA's spod syrup range is 'Hydro' but what does that actually mean? Is it just branding in their case?
In reply to Post #22
Bacarel tuna or the salmigo are spot on imo.
My preference is the tuna. Very thick and salty.
Bacarel tuna or the salmigo are spot on imo.
My preference is the tuna. Very thick and salty.
In reply to Post #23
Hydro is short for hydrolysate - what that is exactly would probably be better explained by those down thread.
Hydro is short for hydrolysate - what that is exactly would probably be better explained by those down thread.
In reply to Post #22
Perhaps I should have clarified that I was predominantly on about hydrolysed animal-based liquids!
“Liquids” to me means a liquid derived from things like liver, crustacians, fish etc. I forget that there's all manner of artificial liquids like the goo these days.
My apologies.
As said before, Bacarel Express is your best option in my opinion.
Shore crab, tuna, and salmon are great options. The shrimp is good too although not as impressive on paper but the fish certainly don't seem to mind and I think there's often more to offer from these liquids than just the protein content
Perhaps I should have clarified that I was predominantly on about hydrolysed animal-based liquids!
“Liquids” to me means a liquid derived from things like liver, crustacians, fish etc. I forget that there's all manner of artificial liquids like the goo these days.
My apologies.
As said before, Bacarel Express is your best option in my opinion.
Shore crab, tuna, and salmon are great options. The shrimp is good too although not as impressive on paper but the fish certainly don't seem to mind and I think there's often more to offer from these liquids than just the protein content
In reply to Post #18
Be interested to know your geeky testing methods?
Be interested to know your geeky testing methods?
In reply to Post #26
Cheers. What about essential baits liquid foods, any good? My goldfish seem to love it!
Cheers. What about essential baits liquid foods, any good? My goldfish seem to love it!
In reply to Post #28
In reply to Post #28
I've never tried their liquid foods.
Their thaumatin b is good though
I've never tried their liquid foods.
Their thaumatin b is good though