Another year on and I still can't believe some of the price increases on these syndicates. I've been on a list for one since about 2020 which was £400 back then, now I'm nearly at the top it's £900 (Not even a full year as there are times you cant fish it)
Honestly tell me how their costs have more than doubled in 5 years.
These aren't even syndicates, just clubs really, then they also expect you come and do a few work parties on set dates and if you don't attend you get hit with another £50 per work party you miss. I'm all for helping out and have done more work parties in last 4 or 5 years than nights on the bank I'm sure but I feel this is a p*ss take.
I'm getting to that point now where I just can't be bothered with carp fishing anymore! I just feel like it's become a rich man's sport these days.
Honestly tell me how their costs have more than doubled in 5 years.
These aren't even syndicates, just clubs really, then they also expect you come and do a few work parties on set dates and if you don't attend you get hit with another £50 per work party you miss. I'm all for helping out and have done more work parties in last 4 or 5 years than nights on the bank I'm sure but I feel this is a p*ss take.
I'm getting to that point now where I just can't be bothered with carp fishing anymore! I just feel like it's become a rich man's sport these days.
Greed...nothing more ,nothing less ..
The bubble is going to burst ,...wait n see..
The bubble is going to burst ,...wait n see..
In reply to Post #1
Supply and demand.
All the time fish are getting bigger, people will pay.
Rapidly pricing itself out of the average working mans pocket for time put in over a season.
Shame.
Supply and demand.
All the time fish are getting bigger, people will pay.
Rapidly pricing itself out of the average working mans pocket for time put in over a season.
Shame.
In reply to Post #1
It's as far from being a working man's sport as its ever been.. Even some of the local club and day ticket prices are getting silly aswell.
It's as far from being a working man's sport as its ever been.. Even some of the local club and day ticket prices are getting silly aswell.
I feel very lucky after reading this!! My club membership is £140 per year,with over 200 waters to go at,including all kinds of waters, rivers,ponds,lakes,the lot.
I tried a couple of syndicates, but just wasn't value for money, even back then about 10 years ago.
I tried a couple of syndicates, but just wasn't value for money, even back then about 10 years ago.
In reply to Post #5
£1K seems the going rate at the moment.
However loads of waters are now being sneaky and doing a weekend and mid week ticket for the same cost which i think it taking the pi$$ a bit. I try and avoid these but they are becoming more common nowadays.
£1K seems the going rate at the moment.
However loads of waters are now being sneaky and doing a weekend and mid week ticket for the same cost which i think it taking the pi$$ a bit. I try and avoid these but they are becoming more common nowadays.
In reply to Post #1
Last paragraph sums it up for me,
Last paragraph sums it up for me,
In reply to Post #6
Embryo do that. Week and weekend tickets. Monday to Friday and Friday to Monday I believe. Not sure how they price it? Still to expensive what ever it is... Maybe I'm to old and out of touch. But people are being priced out. Or maybe not.. Try getting a ticket on some of these clubs or Syndicates.. No ones got any disposable income. But they seem to find it for these over priced venues... I'm confused
Embryo do that. Week and weekend tickets. Monday to Friday and Friday to Monday I believe. Not sure how they price it? Still to expensive what ever it is... Maybe I'm to old and out of touch. But people are being priced out. Or maybe not.. Try getting a ticket on some of these clubs or Syndicates.. No ones got any disposable income. But they seem to find it for these over priced venues... I'm confused
In reply to Post #8
Great point I thought there was a cost of living crisis at the moment....
Most Embryo waters are around the £500 mark but that's surely only going to rise.
Great point I thought there was a cost of living crisis at the moment....
Most Embryo waters are around the £500 mark but that's surely only going to rise.
It's not just fishing. Airfare has more than doubled in past few years. Everything has doubled pretty much. My food shopping and virtually everything else I purchase has doubled or more in past couple of years.
The start of paying a fortune for fishing tickets happened a long time ago, not recently. Recent inflation is compounding that in all walks of life, all around the world. Syndicate prices are no different.
Plenty of places are free, or very little money. You just have to get up and go find them.
The start of paying a fortune for fishing tickets happened a long time ago, not recently. Recent inflation is compounding that in all walks of life, all around the world. Syndicate prices are no different.
Plenty of places are free, or very little money. You just have to get up and go find them.
In reply to Post #8
Not all of Embryo's waters are structured like that.
Not all of Embryo's waters are structured like that.
In reply to Post #11
The majority of syndicates listed on the website are split, I only know of 4 that are full 7 day tickets.
The majority of syndicates listed on the website are split, I only know of 4 that are full 7 day tickets.
In reply to Post #1
Guess it depends on what you see as what value is in it for the £900 a year, I always look at it or convert it into what £900 notes would get you in the world of day ticket fishing, I would say 30/35 x 24 hour sessions on most day ticket circus lake these days at £25-30 notes x 24 hour tickets?.
For me I know what I'd rather pay my money into so long as the lake has a few targets to go at is secure and I dont have to **** in a bucket for my £900.00 that'll do for me these days, I'd also say the defining factor for anyone is time over cost? I basically fish all year round and probably fish circa 30 weekends a year Friday to Sundays and then the odd night here and there and a few day only ventures in the very depths of winter, all in probably around 80 x 24 hr periods so that £900 quid would be around 11/12 quid for 24 hours to someone like me or at that many 24 hour sessions on a decent day ticket at £25/30 that's around circa 2 to 2.5K a year on decent day tickets which thankfully I haven't had to do in a very long time, or the other-side of the coin a Welly/Grenville ticket which is not my cup of tea.
I do sympathize it's an expensive game these days especially for a young married person or single one at that add rent/mortgage, bills, food possibly kids just general living on an average yearly income with not much time at their disposal a ticket price of £900 with all the other costs of carp fishing Tackle/bait/travel is a big stretch on the available finances.
Edit: I currently pay around a £1000 a year for 6 lakes that's one club lake which the ticket for days only to the general public is £40 a year and the rest are annual membership syndicates and one of those is £660 a year.
Guess it depends on what you see as what value is in it for the £900 a year, I always look at it or convert it into what £900 notes would get you in the world of day ticket fishing, I would say 30/35 x 24 hour sessions on most day ticket circus lake these days at £25-30 notes x 24 hour tickets?.
For me I know what I'd rather pay my money into so long as the lake has a few targets to go at is secure and I dont have to **** in a bucket for my £900.00 that'll do for me these days, I'd also say the defining factor for anyone is time over cost? I basically fish all year round and probably fish circa 30 weekends a year Friday to Sundays and then the odd night here and there and a few day only ventures in the very depths of winter, all in probably around 80 x 24 hr periods so that £900 quid would be around 11/12 quid for 24 hours to someone like me or at that many 24 hour sessions on a decent day ticket at £25/30 that's around circa 2 to 2.5K a year on decent day tickets which thankfully I haven't had to do in a very long time, or the other-side of the coin a Welly/Grenville ticket which is not my cup of tea.
I do sympathize it's an expensive game these days especially for a young married person or single one at that add rent/mortgage, bills, food possibly kids just general living on an average yearly income with not much time at their disposal a ticket price of £900 with all the other costs of carp fishing Tackle/bait/travel is a big stretch on the available finances.
Edit: I currently pay around a £1000 a year for 6 lakes that's one club lake which the ticket for days only to the general public is £40 a year and the rest are annual membership syndicates and one of those is £660 a year.
Can I give a bit of balance to the conversation?
Almost ten years ago I had the otter fence put up around an area of five acres, cost £10000
The wire will hopefully last for another ten years before needing replacing, I'm already replacing some of the posts.
What will it all cost to replace in ten years time? I dread to think.
Last year I spent over £800 on type 1mot for paths and the parking area.
Late last autumn, like many water we suffered an oxygen crash, with low d.o. levels for three weeks. This was costing £102 every thirty-six hours to run the aerators. I also bought an additional aerator costing £1000.
Thankfully I think we only lost two carp, both around 23lbs. If I wanted to buy two direct replacements I'd be looking at around £800. If I buy a couple of C4's at around 10lbs they'll cost £14.50+vat per lb.
Any fishery expert will tell you to expect to lose some of your stock each year, 5% is considered the lower end of the scale. Looking at the above costs you can soon see plenty of money going out.
General running costs such as insurance, fuel for tools, materials to maintain the swims etc all add up as well.
So on your typical limited membership water, that usually run at between three and five members per swim, you don't have to be Einstein to see why ticket prices are what they are and why they are going up in general.
And trust me, most people that run waters are putting in so much time and effort that they're not even close to making minimum wage from them and most, like myself do it as a lifestyle choice.
There are obviously exceptions to that and some run as profitable businesses, but most don't.
Almost ten years ago I had the otter fence put up around an area of five acres, cost £10000
The wire will hopefully last for another ten years before needing replacing, I'm already replacing some of the posts.
What will it all cost to replace in ten years time? I dread to think.
Last year I spent over £800 on type 1mot for paths and the parking area.
Late last autumn, like many water we suffered an oxygen crash, with low d.o. levels for three weeks. This was costing £102 every thirty-six hours to run the aerators. I also bought an additional aerator costing £1000.
Thankfully I think we only lost two carp, both around 23lbs. If I wanted to buy two direct replacements I'd be looking at around £800. If I buy a couple of C4's at around 10lbs they'll cost £14.50+vat per lb.
Any fishery expert will tell you to expect to lose some of your stock each year, 5% is considered the lower end of the scale. Looking at the above costs you can soon see plenty of money going out.
General running costs such as insurance, fuel for tools, materials to maintain the swims etc all add up as well.
So on your typical limited membership water, that usually run at between three and five members per swim, you don't have to be Einstein to see why ticket prices are what they are and why they are going up in general.
And trust me, most people that run waters are putting in so much time and effort that they're not even close to making minimum wage from them and most, like myself do it as a lifestyle choice.
There are obviously exceptions to that and some run as profitable businesses, but most don't.
In reply to Post #14
It's good to hear the flip side as most "normal" anglers never consider what it takes to develop and maintain a fishery that's worth visiting
It's good to hear the flip side as most "normal" anglers never consider what it takes to develop and maintain a fishery that's worth visiting