Bit of a worry for those that like the rivers. Let alone the environment in general.
I remember in September reading that due to Brexit we had a supply chain issue of Treatment chemicals.
And that the Govt was allowing private companies to dump raw sewage into our waterways. But I presumed it was a desperation based short term measure.
However they have just voted to keep it going.
Really going backwards
I remember in September reading that due to Brexit we had a supply chain issue of Treatment chemicals.
And that the Govt was allowing private companies to dump raw sewage into our waterways. But I presumed it was a desperation based short term measure.
However they have just voted to keep it going.
Really going backwards
In reply to Post #1
Definitely worrying.
I saw how the river irwell was damaged for a very long time due to sewage / chemicals leaked.
Definitely worrying.
I saw how the river irwell was damaged for a very long time due to sewage / chemicals leaked.
In reply to Post #1
As with all privatised Utility Companies, share holder dividends always come first – it stinks (Literally!) Dumping untreated sewage into the environment will be the cheapest option I presume.
As with all privatised Utility Companies, share holder dividends always come first – it stinks (Literally!) Dumping untreated sewage into the environment will be the cheapest option I presume.
It's only on times of extremely high flow when the treatment facilities are overloaded with flood waters coming in to the site. Age old question of do you let it out in to the tigers to dilute or let it back up and flood roads and properties?? I'm sure a majority would rather they didn't have effluent around their feet.
As nasty as it is going in to the river there is a logic behind it. There is a big thing about it in the upcoming legislation that water company regulators are putting in to place for the next 5-6yrs that directs investment.
As nasty as it is going in to the river there is a logic behind it. There is a big thing about it in the upcoming legislation that water company regulators are putting in to place for the next 5-6yrs that directs investment.
This is bad news indeed..
Locally to me is a massive food plant,back along I noticed lots of foam in the stream coming down the valley which intersects a lovely trout stream,it stank and looked dreadful I think it mightve been waste whey,because I know that smell..
It reminds me of late 70s,early 80s..when I was a bit rebellious and refused to wear a helmet,anyway one night on my Honda CB I followed a massive tanker all loaded up with waste foaming whey ,I followed it lights off all down back lanes til near Beeny pull in high up on the cliffs,then a long pipe was used to pump it straight in the Atlantic..
Thing was all the holiday makers would then after be taking pics of the storm foam,...it was waste from that food plant..
I remember being down pub,and told Adam ,stfup,about what you seen..
Don't buy Cathedral city cheese..!!
Locally to me is a massive food plant,back along I noticed lots of foam in the stream coming down the valley which intersects a lovely trout stream,it stank and looked dreadful I think it mightve been waste whey,because I know that smell..
It reminds me of late 70s,early 80s..when I was a bit rebellious and refused to wear a helmet,anyway one night on my Honda CB I followed a massive tanker all loaded up with waste foaming whey ,I followed it lights off all down back lanes til near Beeny pull in high up on the cliffs,then a long pipe was used to pump it straight in the Atlantic..
Thing was all the holiday makers would then after be taking pics of the storm foam,...it was waste from that food plant..
I remember being down pub,and told Adam ,stfup,about what you seen..
Don't buy Cathedral city cheese..!!
It's appalling. And it has been getting worse for the last decade. It's not just recently, or after heavy rain, or Brexit (though that will add a layer of politics that will make its harder to get everyone to agree on the problem and the solution).
Sounds crazy, but a good source of information on this is to follow Feargal Sharkey on Twitter and look at what he has posted - https://twitter.com/Feargal_Sharkey
The £90m fine for Southern Water was for dumping raw sewage between 2010 and 2015 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57777935
I live near the River Wey (Surrey). Once I knew what to look for I could see that it has sewage dumped into it as tributaries have sewage fungus in them.
On holiday in Dorset this summer I noticed that a tiny tributary of the River Frome in Maiden Newton seemed almost dead with sewage fungus on what should have been green weed. Sure enough, a few hundred yards upstream was a "Wessex Water Water Treatment Plant"
This map shows that they are now dumping even in times of low rainfall. Not every day, butt many days. Keep an eye on this map for your local area as you know what the recent weather will have been - https://www.sas.org.uk/map/
Sounds crazy, but a good source of information on this is to follow Feargal Sharkey on Twitter and look at what he has posted - https://twitter.com/Feargal_Sharkey
The £90m fine for Southern Water was for dumping raw sewage between 2010 and 2015 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-57777935
I live near the River Wey (Surrey). Once I knew what to look for I could see that it has sewage dumped into it as tributaries have sewage fungus in them.
On holiday in Dorset this summer I noticed that a tiny tributary of the River Frome in Maiden Newton seemed almost dead with sewage fungus on what should have been green weed. Sure enough, a few hundred yards upstream was a "Wessex Water Water Treatment Plant"
This map shows that they are now dumping even in times of low rainfall. Not every day, butt many days. Keep an eye on this map for your local area as you know what the recent weather will have been - https://www.sas.org.uk/map/
In reply to Post #6
That...is great info because what you have just described tallys up with this stream I know,it's got a brown sticky sludge all over the decaying weed,now ...I'm on it..!
Also I have noticed a lack of brownies,and believe it or not ,otter spraints either...now if the media heard about this..!!
And the fact this is the trial stream for tree killers with teeth,it won't go down too well..
That...is great info because what you have just described tallys up with this stream I know,it's got a brown sticky sludge all over the decaying weed,now ...I'm on it..!
Also I have noticed a lack of brownies,and believe it or not ,otter spraints either...now if the media heard about this..!!
And the fact this is the trial stream for tree killers with teeth,it won't go down too well..
I only fish the river for barbel every now and again and this summer watched a group of people swimming in the Avon 100 yards down from an inlet of sewage... Grim.
Our beautiful River Wye has been suffering since long before Brexit and any chemical shortage LINK
There was an article in the national Daily Mail yesterday, it looks like it is going to the House of Lords and then they are going to send it back to the House of Commons for them to vote again.
"Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html
"Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10125805/Fury-Tory-MPs-vote-allow-water-companies-dump-raw-sewage-Britains-rivers-seas.html
"Just 22 Conservatives rebelled against the Government on Wednesday".
If yours was not one of the 'rebels' it's time to ask him or her some searching questions.
If yours was not one of the 'rebels' it's time to ask him or her some searching questions.
In reply to Post #10
Lok at all the domestic property that's been built everywhere over the last decade plus, tens of thousands of new houses all overwhelming the treatment plants and developers making billions. Won't be long till we are all paying for treatment plant expansions and new plants which the developers should have paid for before they were allowed to build.
Lok at all the domestic property that's been built everywhere over the last decade plus, tens of thousands of new houses all overwhelming the treatment plants and developers making billions. Won't be long till we are all paying for treatment plant expansions and new plants which the developers should have paid for before they were allowed to build.
In reply to Post #12
Infrastructure should be put in place before any development is sanctioned. It NEVER is.
52,000 new homes are planned for Cornwall in the next 9 years. Locals have objected passionately, saying that local infrastructure would be unable to cope with more houses...At present there are no plans for additional hospitals, schools, doctors, dentists, sewage plants, rubbish disposal plants or roads.
Luckily I'll be in my box by then, so I won't have to worry about it.
Infrastructure should be put in place before any development is sanctioned. It NEVER is.
52,000 new homes are planned for Cornwall in the next 9 years. Locals have objected passionately, saying that local infrastructure would be unable to cope with more houses...At present there are no plans for additional hospitals, schools, doctors, dentists, sewage plants, rubbish disposal plants or roads.
Luckily I'll be in my box by then, so I won't have to worry about it.
In reply to Post #12
This is a major concern, along with the fact that a majority of our existing infrastructure was built to last circa 50 years and is now disintegrating; the cost and difficulty of repair is beyond what funds are available (due to water authorities need to show a profit for shareholders, some of which are MP's of course) so we have 2 forces coming together, more pressure and an old network, so with added rainfall the system can not cope and untreated sewerage is 'allowed' to flow into rivers.
Treatment plant expansion has been in progress for years with some being completely rebuilt such as our nearest one which was built a good distance from the local town, but now unfortunately that town is getting 5000 new homes, all between the existing boundary and the treatment works! And, guess what? The social / low cost housing is put right next to the treatment works..
This is a major concern, along with the fact that a majority of our existing infrastructure was built to last circa 50 years and is now disintegrating; the cost and difficulty of repair is beyond what funds are available (due to water authorities need to show a profit for shareholders, some of which are MP's of course) so we have 2 forces coming together, more pressure and an old network, so with added rainfall the system can not cope and untreated sewerage is 'allowed' to flow into rivers.
Treatment plant expansion has been in progress for years with some being completely rebuilt such as our nearest one which was built a good distance from the local town, but now unfortunately that town is getting 5000 new homes, all between the existing boundary and the treatment works! And, guess what? The social / low cost housing is put right next to the treatment works..
In reply to Post #13
Well I hope not Ken!
Interestingly; there are plans to divert water from the south west to the south east via a pipeline to cover the shortfall with all the house building going on and planned there..
Infrastructure is reactionary in the UK, as is most things it seems..
Well I hope not Ken!
Interestingly; there are plans to divert water from the south west to the south east via a pipeline to cover the shortfall with all the house building going on and planned there..
Infrastructure is reactionary in the UK, as is most things it seems..