Just seen a video about to be released Filmed on a lake I currently fish. The angler is question is in your B list of “names” . He has done 20 nights/days for one fish.some sessions 6 days and nights in a row. Only 9 fish caught so far this year so it's not easy at all .It has been ultra busy due to lockdown etc which hasn't helped The fishing at all. So when I see the amount of time he has done in actual fact his results are pretty grim. Baring in mind he seems to be able to fish whenever he wants so can choose the best conditions and times. Are known anglers really all that ? How bigger advantage is free/cheap bait ? Time ?
Thankfully he has another lake to fish so has not been seen for a few weeks.
Thankfully he has another lake to fish so has not been seen for a few weeks.
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Just like any other sport/hobby. Some people have a natural talent, some work hard to get results and others just get lucky.
You can't judge someone's ability by simply if they catch a load of big fish or if they bore them out. And you can't judge them on just one water. For me consistency is the measure of angling ability. For me the best anglers if you can call them that are the guys who catch whilst still having full time jobs. The likes of Julian Cundiff who caught for magazine features for absolutely years whilst never being full time. Sure he might not have caught 50x50lbs but he fishes up north. Frank Warwick is another angler I admire.
I'm not convinced that free bait makes that much of a difference. I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I thought that I only blanked cos I didn't have 50kg of bait with me.
Time though is a massive help. Even if that's just the ability to walk the venue every day.
When you sign up to be sponsored I'm fairly sure you don't get a magic wand. If a lakes fishing **** for everyone else then I'm pretty sure it will fish **** for them as well. I fish with some absolutely brilliant anglers on my waters, catching machines who are technically brilliant at every aspect. As far as I'm aware not a single one has any type of sponsorship on one of my waters but I'm confident they'd give any named anglers a run for their money, whilst still working as plumbers, taxi drivers etc.
Just like any other sport/hobby. Some people have a natural talent, some work hard to get results and others just get lucky.
You can't judge someone's ability by simply if they catch a load of big fish or if they bore them out. And you can't judge them on just one water. For me consistency is the measure of angling ability. For me the best anglers if you can call them that are the guys who catch whilst still having full time jobs. The likes of Julian Cundiff who caught for magazine features for absolutely years whilst never being full time. Sure he might not have caught 50x50lbs but he fishes up north. Frank Warwick is another angler I admire.
I'm not convinced that free bait makes that much of a difference. I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I thought that I only blanked cos I didn't have 50kg of bait with me.
Time though is a massive help. Even if that's just the ability to walk the venue every day.
When you sign up to be sponsored I'm fairly sure you don't get a magic wand. If a lakes fishing **** for everyone else then I'm pretty sure it will fish **** for them as well. I fish with some absolutely brilliant anglers on my waters, catching machines who are technically brilliant at every aspect. As far as I'm aware not a single one has any type of sponsorship on one of my waters but I'm confident they'd give any named anglers a run for their money, whilst still working as plumbers, taxi drivers etc.
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A picture of a fish does not tell the true story behind its capture
It's a simple as this for me. Top quality bait is available for all these days (the thing the fish eats to be caught) and 90% anglers are ledgering 3 x boiled baits. Now people can tell you whatever stories they like but are people really that gullible that they think others are doing something very special? I seriously think some are!!!
The small number of proper successful carp anglers that I know have one thing in common, they are adaptable and consistent, and good on fish. The rest are punishers
You see, until they put a clock card system on a lake gate you will never know who the best anglers are for me. You want to be on the water, catching the fish and off elsewhere unless you are happy doing what you doing of course. If your a working man doing the weekend thing these full timers are probably putting in 5 years equivalent to 1 year of your fishing!
Now bring in the desire for fame and free bag of bait and you can camp at the side of a lake for weeks, catch a fish and tell any kind of crazy story that you like. If only peole really knew the truth behind the catches and how many hours they had put in for it
Say one thing in respect to them though, it's the dedication to continually make the effort that makes ALL the difference
A picture of a fish does not tell the true story behind its capture
It's a simple as this for me. Top quality bait is available for all these days (the thing the fish eats to be caught) and 90% anglers are ledgering 3 x boiled baits. Now people can tell you whatever stories they like but are people really that gullible that they think others are doing something very special? I seriously think some are!!!
The small number of proper successful carp anglers that I know have one thing in common, they are adaptable and consistent, and good on fish. The rest are punishers
You see, until they put a clock card system on a lake gate you will never know who the best anglers are for me. You want to be on the water, catching the fish and off elsewhere unless you are happy doing what you doing of course. If your a working man doing the weekend thing these full timers are probably putting in 5 years equivalent to 1 year of your fishing!
Now bring in the desire for fame and free bag of bait and you can camp at the side of a lake for weeks, catch a fish and tell any kind of crazy story that you like. If only peole really knew the truth behind the catches and how many hours they had put in for it
Say one thing in respect to them though, it's the dedication to continually make the effort that makes ALL the difference
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I think you've already sussed it out yourself...
The more time you spend fishing the more you become attuned to your water as to what works and what does not but if your there long enough with reasonable tactics you'll eventually get your quarry.
I think you've already sussed it out yourself...
The more time you spend fishing the more you become attuned to your water as to what works and what does not but if your there long enough with reasonable tactics you'll eventually get your quarry.
I have my own opinion but just wondered what other people's are. The angler in question has loads of big fish to his name but any half decent angler could catch some of those with time on there side.
Having the time and commitment to be on the water either fishing or baiting or just looking for fish is surely the key. The best anglers however will use what they learn to adapt their angling and improve their chances in future. Lessons learned can be used to your advantage much quicker if your on the water several times a week.
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Don't believe everything you see or read about names.
Free bait is not a great asset to a time bandit, especially if it is crap and the fish are not keen on eating it. Blank away.
The biggest edge to a camper is the ability to watch, look and listen to the lakes inhabitants, and get on them, then do the norm, put out bait company A, catch a fish on Tigers or bait company B hook bait, hype up bait company A, and the Pre capture plan.
When really you just bored them out
The drive of a working & family man makes them better anglers, time is against them
Don't believe everything you see or read about names.
Free bait is not a great asset to a time bandit, especially if it is crap and the fish are not keen on eating it. Blank away.
The biggest edge to a camper is the ability to watch, look and listen to the lakes inhabitants, and get on them, then do the norm, put out bait company A, catch a fish on Tigers or bait company B hook bait, hype up bait company A, and the Pre capture plan.
When really you just bored them out
The drive of a working & family man makes them better anglers, time is against them
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My thoughts exactly ! I was watching Adam pennings latest video and bigging up known anglers. Didn't mention time at all. I was talking to a big bream angler who has a string of huge bream to his name. He said 50% of his captures are about being able to fish when conditions are the best.
My thoughts exactly ! I was watching Adam pennings latest video and bigging up known anglers. Didn't mention time at all. I was talking to a big bream angler who has a string of huge bream to his name. He said 50% of his captures are about being able to fish when conditions are the best.
I think it quite dismissive to say *bore them out*. Take Wrasbury back in the day with its carp population of 25 max, rocking up on a weekend after a hard weeks collar and catching even a tiddler let alone Mary would have raised a few eyebrows, then again, anything is possible. I understand to a degree in respect to *boring them out* all the same.
There are bods out there that have highly attuned hunting instincts that can plot up for a morning or afternoon, have a few and do the off without even ever walking around the place beforehand. You get the types that have to tune into a water, and when they do they tear it apart, however long that running in takes.
There are bods out there that have highly attuned hunting instincts that can plot up for a morning or afternoon, have a few and do the off without even ever walking around the place beforehand. You get the types that have to tune into a water, and when they do they tear it apart, however long that running in takes.
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As much about effort i think as knowledge, maybe one brings the other. Jim shelley on waveney c lake, quite hard at the time, just know where to put the hookbaits, becomes so much easier. I personally think having the knowledge of exactly where the fish feed is key, really is that simple. The big boys rock up to a swim, know exactly where they need to be and start catching. They only fish known areas. Look at the boys who fish linear and catch 20 fish a session..not a fluke or coincidence they just know exactly where to fish.
As much about effort i think as knowledge, maybe one brings the other. Jim shelley on waveney c lake, quite hard at the time, just know where to put the hookbaits, becomes so much easier. I personally think having the knowledge of exactly where the fish feed is key, really is that simple. The big boys rock up to a swim, know exactly where they need to be and start catching. They only fish known areas. Look at the boys who fish linear and catch 20 fish a session..not a fluke or coincidence they just know exactly where to fish.
In reply to Post #10
There's a twist... Inside intel.
People like Shelly get info passed on which makes things quite a lot easier. There's that to add to the mix to the top guns armoury.
There's a twist... Inside intel.
People like Shelly get info passed on which makes things quite a lot easier. There's that to add to the mix to the top guns armoury.
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Don't confuse time with experience. You can spend days on a lake but if you're not working hard you're not learning anything, and working hard is tiring and cannot be sustained for days at a time. For me the best anglers use whatever time they do have to their advantage, and by using their time efficiently, they instinctively learn quickly how to fish, where to fish, how much bait to apply etc. Often these are people with a lot less rod hours, but they work to make it count.
Don't confuse time with experience. You can spend days on a lake but if you're not working hard you're not learning anything, and working hard is tiring and cannot be sustained for days at a time. For me the best anglers use whatever time they do have to their advantage, and by using their time efficiently, they instinctively learn quickly how to fish, where to fish, how much bait to apply etc. Often these are people with a lot less rod hours, but they work to make it count.
In reply to Post #10
Knowledge and experience comes with time and effort, either done yourself, online, punishing people Face to face for information, or by working with, or off of, other anglers. The real tricky waters are the ones with no previous history, nothing to go on.
What is the old saying... 5% of anglers caught 95% of the fish.
We all know someone that falls in that rare 5%. A natural talent that just has that special something.
Knowledge and experience comes with time and effort, either done yourself, online, punishing people Face to face for information, or by working with, or off of, other anglers. The real tricky waters are the ones with no previous history, nothing to go on.
What is the old saying... 5% of anglers caught 95% of the fish.
We all know someone that falls in that rare 5%. A natural talent that just has that special something.
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Carp angling is the only ‘sport' I know of where the amount of disposable time available becomes a substitute for any inherent skill / aptitude. That's not to detract from anyone putting in the time btw, just an observation and maybe a bit of a generalisation. The thing is, I don't think we should get hung up by other people's results. Just go fishing for the love of it and set your own goals and targets whatever they may be.
Carp angling is the only ‘sport' I know of where the amount of disposable time available becomes a substitute for any inherent skill / aptitude. That's not to detract from anyone putting in the time btw, just an observation and maybe a bit of a generalisation. The thing is, I don't think we should get hung up by other people's results. Just go fishing for the love of it and set your own goals and targets whatever they may be.
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We often talk about confidence and how if we are confident we will catch more. I'm not sure how and why this works but it does seem to hold true for a lot of people.
There are people who have great belief and confidence in themselves and those people often crave the attention to go with it, talk a lot of bollox to perpetuate it all and there you have the making of a ‘named' angler
Of course not all named anglers have built their reputations solely on the above the elite would also be able to demonstrate natural ability, real character and charisma, intelligence, skills and results
BTW when I say intelligence I mean angling intelligence, you don't necessarily need qualifications in rocket science.
We often talk about confidence and how if we are confident we will catch more. I'm not sure how and why this works but it does seem to hold true for a lot of people.
There are people who have great belief and confidence in themselves and those people often crave the attention to go with it, talk a lot of bollox to perpetuate it all and there you have the making of a ‘named' angler
Of course not all named anglers have built their reputations solely on the above the elite would also be able to demonstrate natural ability, real character and charisma, intelligence, skills and results
BTW when I say intelligence I mean angling intelligence, you don't necessarily need qualifications in rocket science.