bit of a blast from the past but I was rooting around my collection of flavours and additives and came across about one & half bottles of part 2 activator.
Was it an enzyme to deactivate the CSL in part 1 ?
Was it an enzyme to deactivate the CSL in part 1 ?
In reply to Post #1
Part 2 was a enzyme to activate the csl. It was called phytase. If you are looking for something identical check out the cls from Mirage Baits run by Marcus Watts.
Part 2 was a enzyme to activate the csl. It was called phytase. If you are looking for something identical check out the cls from Mirage Baits run by Marcus Watts.
In reply to Post #2
cheers, got it backwards
Wasn't looking for any just forgot what it did, must have been there for 20 years.
cheers, got it backwards
Wasn't looking for any just forgot what it did, must have been there for 20 years.
I wrote about this several years ago.
CSL contains phytic acid (phytate) which binds to certain minerals and can therefore contribute to mineral deficiencies because the minerals do not get released from the phytic acid and are thus unavailable to the body. The effect of phytic acid can be reduced to some degree by heat treatment. More effective is the enzyme phytase which can be used to break it down and release the minerals.
However, wild fish get all their mineral requirements naturally from the surrounding water, by absorbing them through the skin. Worrying whether carp have got enough minerals in their diet is the last thing that an angler should worry about.
So, phytase addition was all nonsense, like many other claims you see from bait sellers.
CSL contains phytic acid (phytate) which binds to certain minerals and can therefore contribute to mineral deficiencies because the minerals do not get released from the phytic acid and are thus unavailable to the body. The effect of phytic acid can be reduced to some degree by heat treatment. More effective is the enzyme phytase which can be used to break it down and release the minerals.
However, wild fish get all their mineral requirements naturally from the surrounding water, by absorbing them through the skin. Worrying whether carp have got enough minerals in their diet is the last thing that an angler should worry about.
So, phytase addition was all nonsense, like many other claims you see from bait sellers.
In reply to Post #4
@Serenity
Interesting post.
Do you think that something like Glucoamylase plays a part in any of their liquid activators formula?
I have said it before and still firmly believe that Mainline have absolutely mastered the art of liquid attraction. It appears that not only is it attractive in its own right from an olfactory perspective. But their liquid formula seems to make the powdered ingredients react in synergy. Kudos to them I say.
@Serenity
Interesting post.
Do you think that something like Glucoamylase plays a part in any of their liquid activators formula?
I have said it before and still firmly believe that Mainline have absolutely mastered the art of liquid attraction. It appears that not only is it attractive in its own right from an olfactory perspective. But their liquid formula seems to make the powdered ingredients react in synergy. Kudos to them I say.
In reply to Post #2
It's Amalayse. Breaks carbs down into sugars.
Funny how a lot of successful baits/additives are based around sugars......
It's Amalayse. Breaks carbs down into sugars.
Funny how a lot of successful baits/additives are based around sugars......
In reply to Post #5
Sorry, but I don't have an opinion on present-day boilies or their additives. I no longer use or have any interest in such baits. With respect, it would be like fishing in the past.
Sorry, but I don't have an opinion on present-day boilies or their additives. I no longer use or have any interest in such baits. With respect, it would be like fishing in the past.
In reply to Post #7
"Sorry, but I don't have an opinion on present-day boilies or their additives. I no longer use or have any interest in such baits. With respect, it would be like fishing in the past. "
You've befuddled me 😂
First of all, you do have an opinion because you suggest that it's like fishing in the past. But more confusingly, how is using present-day boilies and additives like fishing in the past ?
"Sorry, but I don't have an opinion on present-day boilies or their additives. I no longer use or have any interest in such baits. With respect, it would be like fishing in the past. "
You've befuddled me 😂
First of all, you do have an opinion because you suggest that it's like fishing in the past. But more confusingly, how is using present-day boilies and additives like fishing in the past ?
In reply to Post #8
Because Serenity knows his onions, and if you think boilies are “peak modern” baits, you're wrong. Convenient, but not the best.
Because Serenity knows his onions, and if you think boilies are “peak modern” baits, you're wrong. Convenient, but not the best.
Amalayse reactivates the CSL. 
In reply to Post #9
I'm not suggesting that Serenity doesn't know his onions Lol. I'm quite happy with Mexican onion oil and even plain old white onion powder myself 😁 Just re read what he wrote in post 7 and then my reply. The confusing bit is stating that using present-day boilies and additives is like fishing in the past . And I never said that I think that boilies are " peak modern " baits . I am however open to suggestions with regards what " peak modern " baits might be.
I'm not suggesting that Serenity doesn't know his onions Lol. I'm quite happy with Mexican onion oil and even plain old white onion powder myself 😁 Just re read what he wrote in post 7 and then my reply. The confusing bit is stating that using present-day boilies and additives is like fishing in the past . And I never said that I think that boilies are " peak modern " baits . I am however open to suggestions with regards what " peak modern " baits might be.
In reply to Post #9
Can you tell me what peak modern baits are?
Can you tell me what peak modern baits are?
In reply to Post #12
Goo..... surely?
Goo..... surely?
In reply to Post #12
Maggots
Maggots
In reply to Post #14
Thought it was chopped worms?
Thought it was chopped worms?
In reply to Post #15
Soooooo last year
Soooooo last year
In reply to Post #12
I was hoping that you'd get an answer to. I actually wonder whether taking a step backwards is the answer and using paste baits?
I was hoping that you'd get an answer to. I actually wonder whether taking a step backwards is the answer and using paste baits?
In reply to Post #17
He did give you the answer... maggots ! Yes, maggots which evolved in the Triassic Period are the peak of modern carp baits 😂 When anyone on here makes a non committal, cryptic statement which alludes to having knowledge regarding the pinnacle of carp baits, it's best to be sceptical.
He did give you the answer... maggots ! Yes, maggots which evolved in the Triassic Period are the peak of modern carp baits 😂 When anyone on here makes a non committal, cryptic statement which alludes to having knowledge regarding the pinnacle of carp baits, it's best to be sceptical.
In reply to Post #18
I was using maggots to catch carp back in the 70's, so fully appreciate how much carp love them, but they're problematic to use in many situations in mixed fisheries. They're also banned where I'm fishing next season. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I don't consider them the peak of modern carp baits and, like most people making their own bait I was hoping for a little gem. Perhaps Mark has provided that on his other thread?
I was using maggots to catch carp back in the 70's, so fully appreciate how much carp love them, but they're problematic to use in many situations in mixed fisheries. They're also banned where I'm fishing next season. I suppose what I'm trying to say is that I don't consider them the peak of modern carp baits and, like most people making their own bait I was hoping for a little gem. Perhaps Mark has provided that on his other thread?
I would have thought an aquaculture feed pellet may be more advanced than boiled bait? Not as versatile in application though.
In reply to Post #19
To be honest, I think Frothey was just jesting with the maggot comment. Back on track for the original poster. If you want some active CSL, get yourself a bottle of live CSL, I used to use AA Baits but I ferment my own now You can put this stuff into overdrive with an increase in temperature and an instant food source such as fructose, glucose or even just table sugar. If your shop bought stuff is a little too viscous for a bait soak, you can dilute it down to help penetration. The best way though is to put the liquid and boilies into into a 5 gallon pressure barrel and inject carbon dioxide into it 😠.Pressure treated boilies ðŸ˜
To be honest, I think Frothey was just jesting with the maggot comment. Back on track for the original poster. If you want some active CSL, get yourself a bottle of live CSL, I used to use AA Baits but I ferment my own now You can put this stuff into overdrive with an increase in temperature and an instant food source such as fructose, glucose or even just table sugar. If your shop bought stuff is a little too viscous for a bait soak, you can dilute it down to help penetration. The best way though is to put the liquid and boilies into into a 5 gallon pressure barrel and inject carbon dioxide into it 😠.Pressure treated boilies ðŸ˜
In reply to Post #19
Just read silverfish' s original post again. He's actually got one and a half bottles of the stuff haha. No need for any more speculation or asking people to bare their souls. Just get the darn stuff analysed and let's have done with it. Personally, and yes once again this is just pure speculation, I would suspect that it's nothing more than inverted sugar syrup or similar. Dab some on the tongue or test it with Benedict' s reagent. If none of those methods indicate sugar then get it analyzed. Otherwise you're all going round in circles forever and whispering " Ah, but what was the Grange "on your deathbeds 😂
In reply to Post #22
Thanks for that reply Mark it is helpful.
Last winter I rolled a bait that was almost the same as one I used in the 90's. Just four powdered ingredients, including the egg and just evaporated milk, a little csl for the liquid and 1ml of flavour. I caught very consistently using it and know that I really shouldn't start complicating things.
Thanks for that reply Mark it is helpful.
Last winter I rolled a bait that was almost the same as one I used in the 90's. Just four powdered ingredients, including the egg and just evaporated milk, a little csl for the liquid and 1ml of flavour. I caught very consistently using it and know that I really shouldn't start complicating things.
In reply to Post #24
" Thanks for that reply Mark it is helpful "
Honestly no disrespect meant to Mark but the question is still not answered is it ? I understand the concept of confidentiality with regards commercial products but we're talking about a now discontinued product from decades ago. So before you start adding a plethora of random liquids to your warmed up active CSL in the hope of a vigorous reaction, maybe start with a simple glucose or fructose syrup. I've just mopped up my kitchen worktop after doing just that. No doubt, there will be people on here that can confirm or deny my assumption. I'm happy to be educated ðŸ˜. Smoke and mirrors, it's tiresome.
" Thanks for that reply Mark it is helpful "
Honestly no disrespect meant to Mark but the question is still not answered is it ? I understand the concept of confidentiality with regards commercial products but we're talking about a now discontinued product from decades ago. So before you start adding a plethora of random liquids to your warmed up active CSL in the hope of a vigorous reaction, maybe start with a simple glucose or fructose syrup. I've just mopped up my kitchen worktop after doing just that. No doubt, there will be people on here that can confirm or deny my assumption. I'm happy to be educated ðŸ˜. Smoke and mirrors, it's tiresome.
There's no smoke and mirrors. It's not my place to divulge about other companies baits secrets. Past or present. It was a mistake to post here in the first place. You carry on Tyto.
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